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Old 03-13-2020, 12:48 PM
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Andrew Gillum in bizarre hotel room incident


Story here. https://www.local10.com/news/local/2...ch-police-say/

This is just weird. At first glance, this sounds like a gay orgy, PNP (party and play) gay sex accompanied by crystal meth is certainly common enough and that goes double for Miami.

Ok, maybe it isnít but itís still really weird. This sounds like the crazy adventures of a college kid on spring break, not what happens with a married former gubernatorial candidate and rising Democratic star.

Iíll be following this story because I need something different than viruses and Bernie Sanders.

But if you told me Iíd wake up in a world where Sarah Palin was rapping Baby Got Back dressed as a neon bear and Andrew Gillum was drunk and just happened to be hanging out in a hotel room with three other men where crystal meth was being used, Iíd question your sanity and tell you to stay away from the brown acid.
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If accurate, this is a minor tragedy for the national party (and a major tragedy for the FL state party), as Gillum is/was a very talented young Democratic official.
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At first glance, this sounds like a gay orgy, PNP (party and play) gay sex accompanied by crystal meth is certainly common enough and that goes double for Miami.
Wow, I know I'm old but I guess I'm more out of touch than I realized.
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Me too. To be clear, this is something that happens at gay orgies but not at straight meth parties? ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Me too. To be clear, this is something that happens at gay orgies but not at straight meth parties? ...not that there's anything wrong with that.
I donít know that thereís a huge straight orgy scene with all night sex fueled by meth. Maybe there is.

Itís certainly common enough in the gay world, especially among men who bareback (have sex without condoms)
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At first glance, this sounds like a gay orgy, PNP (party and play) gay sex accompanied by crystal meth is certainly common enough and that goes double for Miami.
Um, why would you assume that? There's nothing in the article to support this at all.

It's okay to watch gay porn, you know. No one will know.
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As a further update, it appears the person involved with the meth OD is Travis Dylan, well known Instagay.
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Um, why would you assume that? There's nothing in the article to support this at all.

It's okay to watch gay porn, you know. No one will know.
The article reports that all 3 men were alone together, naked in a hotel room, and crystal meth was being used. Thereís nothing conclusive about what was happening but to say there was nothing at all to support the assumption doesnít seem accurate.
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There's nothing in the article that says they were naked. Regardless, the jump to "must have been a big gay orgy!" sure speaks of a real lack of experience in this area, but it sounds like quite the fantasy.

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There's nothing in the article that says they were naked. Regardless, the jump to "must have been a big gay orgy!" sure speaks of a real lack of experience in this area, but it sounds like quite the fantasy.
You couldnít be more wrong. Iím gay and Iíve been around a lot. I described the situation to a gay friend of mine that doesnít follow politics and he jumped to the exact same conclusion.
Hereís another version of the story
https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/a...e-say-11594094
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Crystal meth is rampant in the gay community. I also immediately assume PnP when hearing about a group of guys and crystal meth because it is so frustratingly common.
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Crystal meth is rampant in the gay community. I also immediately assume PnP when hearing about a group of guys and crystal meth because it is so frustratingly common.
I changed my Grindr to search profiles in Miami, didnít take long to find someone wanting to host an afternoon T party, and Iím sure they didnít mean Earl Grey.
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I still haven't seen a confirmed report of nakedness, but I'll bow to your experience. Seemed like a reach from the first article, just because my gay and non-gay friends doing drugs together in a hotel would not be that remarkable.
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if they found meth why was nobody arrested? Or do they need a lab test to prove it was meth?
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If accurate, this is a minor tragedy for the national party (and a major tragedy for the FL state party), as Gillum is/was a very talented young Democratic official.
Again assuming accuracy - I guess it's better to have this come out now (eh, sorry for the tasteless pun) than to have his star really rise and then for him to be disgraced. As things now stand, he'll be forgotten outside Florida pretty fast.
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He could move to NJ and be the 2nd gay governor there.
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if they found meth why was nobody arrested? Or do they need a lab test to prove it was meth?
Florida appears to have a Good Samaritan act similar to New Jersey where you canít be prosecuted for drug possession for seeking medical assistance for an overdose.
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Florida appears to have a Good Samaritan act similar to New Jersey where you canít be prosecuted for drug possession for seeking medical assistance for an overdose.
And it seems like it was a small quantity for personal use. Iím not sure a big city would even bother even if it was 3 anonymous guys, Iím sure Miami gets this a lot. Meth isnít marijuana but all three have had their names published and it seems that would be enough.
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And it seems like it was a small quantity for personal use. Iím not sure a big city would even bother even if it was 3 anonymous guys, Iím sure Miami gets this a lot. Meth isnít marijuana but all three have had their names published and it seems that would be enough.
It doesnít take a lot of effort to charge someone. I have no doubt that without the law in place they would have been charged with possession.
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Hey if smoking crack didn't stop Marion Berry why should a little meth stop this guy?
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And it seems like it was a small quantity for personal use. Iím not sure a big city would even bother even if it was 3 anonymous guys, Iím sure Miami gets this a lot. Meth isnít marijuana but all three have had their names published and it seems that would be enough.
Florida has very broad transparency laws. If anyone gets arrested, it's recorded in a publicly accessible data base.

This results in the "Florida Man" effect. The reason we're always hearing about weird crimes happening in Florida isn't because they have more weird crimes per capita; it's because it's easier to find out about them.
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The article reports that all 3 men were alone together, naked in a hotel room, and crystal meth was being used.
Its Florida! They were probably hot and the air conditioning had broke! And they probably mistakenly thought it was just refreshing Crystal Light lemonade mix that they were going to drink to help cool down! Nothing unusual about three grown men, secure in their masculinity, stripping down to their birthday suits and enjoying some cool, refreshing, calorie-free lemonade on a hot day!

You people and your conclusion jumping. Sad, I say. Just sad .
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didnít take long to find someone wanting to host an afternoon T party, and Iím sure they didnít mean Earl Grey.
I have no idea. What is a T party?
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I have no idea. What is a T party?
T stands for Tina, which is slang for crystal meth.
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Reading this just reminds me how tame my life has been. I'm thinking of posting "the time my doorknob broke" in MPSIMS. (OK, maybe I did go through a dime or two of methedrine 50 years ago. I dunno: that time is very fuzzy.)

And the newspaper referred to the crystal meth as a "narcotic." I'm guessing that neither users of meth nor users of narcotics consider meth to be a "narcotic."
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Its Florida! They were probably hot and the air conditioning had broke! And they probably mistakenly thought it was just refreshing Crystal Light lemonade mix that they were going to drink to help cool down! Nothing unusual about three grown men, secure in their masculinity, stripping down to their birthday suits and enjoying some cool, refreshing, calorie-free lemonade on a hot day!
Nothing wrong with a good, old-fashioned lemon party!
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Ahh. Thanks.
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Finally found a non tabloid cite, the person that suffered the OD is not just an Instagram star, he’s also an male prostitute.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2...is-openly-gay/
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Yet again, as with other threads about this fellow, I read the thread title as being something about Gollum, and have a momentary mental dislocation ...
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Meth for sex? I detest the stuff, had no exposure for loathe, these many years, but what I recall is meth boosts sex about as much as pictures of your naked grandparents. Sure, maybe gay is a bit different, but that different?
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I guess we won't be seeing him on CNN anymore.
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I guess we won't be seeing him on CNN anymore.
Heís Ďtaking time to be with his familyí
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Meth for sex? I detest the stuff, had no exposure for loathe, these many years, but what I recall is meth boosts sex about as much as pictures of your naked grandparents. Sure, maybe gay is a bit different, but that different?
Supposedly it increases your stamina, itís often used for all night sex parties. Usually multiple partners and no condoms.
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Will they back away slowly?
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Meth for sex? I detest the stuff, had no exposure for loathe, these many years, but what I recall is meth boosts sex about as much as pictures of your naked grandparents. Sure, maybe gay is a bit different, but that different?
I think you mean coke. On meth sexual ability is less apt to be impaired, and you have more energy.

There was a conservative republican uber religious pol who was in this situation. Ted Haggard?

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I guess we won't be seeing him on CNN anymore.
I don't mean to pile on Gillum, but: okay, never mind, I will. I watch a lot of cable news and so have seen him quite a few times; not once have I ever heard him make a remark that wasn't a clichť or political platitude. I just have not been impressed. He hasn't struck me as being insightful or a skilled communicator or anything that would make me think he has a bright political future.

That said, I hope he figures out whatever is going on in his life and makes peace with it.
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Meth for sex? I detest the stuff, had no exposure for loathe, these many years, but what I recall is meth boosts sex about as much as pictures of your naked grandparents.
For some. For most it really makes you crazy horny.
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Sex, grandparents and meth are all very distant memories for elucidator, you must understand.
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Can I propose a career move for Mr Gillum? Convert and join the Log Cabin Republicans. Just because.
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I got that from David Sedaris in Me Talk Pretty One Day. He startled me by saying that marijuana made him uptight and self-conscious (the opposite of how I'd always experienced it), and contrasted that with how meth freed him from inhibitions. I've never tried meth, so I can't speak to that.
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And the newspaper referred to the crystal meth as a "narcotic." I'm guessing that neither users of meth nor users of narcotics consider meth to be a "narcotic."
You know the drill... "War is peace, freedom is slavery, speed is narcotic."
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Is there any reason not to think that it wasn't just him and a couple of his buddies getting together to use meth? I mean, not that that is a good thing, but the gay orgy thing seems to be just gossip, no? Doesn't he have a wife and kids? Nothing wrong with being gay, but the "orgy" part, if untrue, would put an extra hurt on him and his family.
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Is there any reason not to think that it wasn't just him and a couple of his buddies getting together to use meth? I mean, not that that is a good thing, but the gay orgy thing seems to be just gossip, no? Doesn't he have a wife and kids? Nothing wrong with being gay, but the "orgy" part, if untrue, would put an extra hurt on him and his family.
Hey Ted Haggard has a wife and kids too, right?
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I don't mean to pile on Gillum, but: okay, never mind, I will. I watch a lot of cable news and so have seen him quite a few times; not once have I ever heard him make a remark that wasn't a clichť or political platitude. I just have not been impressed. He hasn't struck me as being insightful or a skilled communicator or anything that would make me think he has a bright political future.

That said, I hope he figures out whatever is going on in his life and makes peace with it.
Yes, never specifics. He thinks looking elegant and speaking clearly with a good tone is enough. But then again, I never see anyone worth their weight on TV media.
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Is there any reason not to think that it wasn't just him and a couple of his buddies getting together to use meth? I mean, not that that is a good thing, but the gay orgy thing seems to be just gossip, no? Doesn't he have a wife and kids? Nothing wrong with being gay, but the "orgy" part, if untrue, would put an extra hurt on him and his family.
If you're traveling alone, and the police find you in a hotel room with someone who advertises as an escort, and there are drugs, and you're both intoxicated, that's some strong circumstantial evidence. No matter the escort's gender.
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"A Democratic party star is facing questions about being alone and inebriated in a Mondrian South Beach Hotel room with a friend who once purported to be ďa pornstar performerĒ online and who ended up hospitalized over a suspected drug overdose."

That lead contains all the elements of a good Jimmy Buffett song.
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That lead contains all the elements of a good Jimmy Buffett song.

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Crystal meth is rampant in the gay community. I also immediately assume PnP when hearing about a group of guys and crystal meth because it is so frustratingly common.
Why would a particular drug be common in the gay community? It's not like the drug dealers know the sexuality of their customers. They would (presumably) have been raised in different neighborhoods, different ethnic groups... it's just confusing.

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if they found meth why was nobody arrested? Or do they need a lab test to prove it was meth?
The person who would otherwise have been arrested was a politically powerful person. Although, to be honest, I'm surprised that a black Democrat was not arrested in Florida. (Larry Craig's political position did not save him from a similar humiliation.) Of course now Mr. Gillum will have to explain himself. He wasn't suffering from overuse of marijuana.
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