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Old 09-20-2018, 01:01 PM
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can we find non sleaze ball ads? (also feel free to share ones youve seen)

just a q to tubadiva…… ive noticed over the last year or so our ads you get before you sign on are very slightly less skeevy than a porn sites

is there anyway you can discuss with who ever owns the joint these days places like this aint gonna convince us to click on them https://www.facebook.com/pdilik

just a thought
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Old 09-20-2018, 02:41 PM
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I'm sorry you find the ads disturbing.

Ads are an unfortunate part of internet life and part of what a company does to continue to stay in business. This is true for this site as for most other sites in cyberspace.

Advertising was not the first attempt to monetize this site; management tried a paywall "pay to post" approach. That was even less successful than ads and caused a lot of people to just abandon the site. You were around for those difficult days and I'm sure you remember.

The combination of subscribing membership and judicious application of an ad blocker program seems to do the trick for most people. I cannot advise you on ad blockers but I do not doubt there's people here on this board that could do so.

Ads are a necessary evil here. I'm not fond of them either but I can cope with ads if that's what it takes to keep this site in business. Like everything and everyone else in this world, The Straight Dope needs to pay its way. We appreciate all assistance people give towards that end. Yes, that means we're asking you to hold your nose sometimes. We hope you think the Dope is worth it.

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Old 09-20-2018, 02:54 PM
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I'm sorry you find the ads disturbing.

Ads are an unfortunate part of internet life and part of what a company does to continue to stay in business. This is true for this site as for most other sites in cyberspace.

Advertising was not the first attempt to monetize this site; management tried a paywall "pay to post" approach. That was even less successful than ads and caused a lot of people to just abandon the site. You were around for those difficult days and I'm sure you remember.
Can you talk about the different ad servers you've considered? Are y'all open to considering a different ad server, if someone can suggest one that pays well and doesn't serve up odious ads?

As I said elsewhere, before I re-upped my charter membership, this was one of the few sites that I just wouldn't visit without an ad-blocker: there were too many browser hijacker ads, too much borderline-NSFW stuff, for it to be worth it. I'm not sure if the ads are better now, but boy howdy were they a problem before.
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Old 09-20-2018, 03:32 PM
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its not the fact we have ads its the ads themselves …… I mean I get one for some new wonder drug" that "trump and the fda will ban in 30 days so get it now " and some that seem like outright fraud …….



if they were like ads for stores or like network tv commercials for things like tide or breyers ice cream that I could live with.

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Old 09-20-2018, 04:38 PM
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Yeah, I remember a while back ago, I logged in from work. And before I could even type in my screen name and password, ads were popping up everywhere.

Had I been unfamiliar with this site, I would have clicked the close button in fear of infecting my compute

My gut feeling is that a significant number of newcomers are coming here and doing just that.

Pls do your ads through someone else.
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Old 09-20-2018, 05:26 PM
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Thanks for the excellent example of the fallacy of the excluded middle Tuba. Are there no options other than sleazy ads and no advertising at all?

I still remember when I got malware from ads hosted here, and I've never visited here on a device without adblockers enabled ever since. I like this board, and I would be willing to whitelist it on my adblocker to support it, but not when that means putting my PC at risk of malware.

So in my case, this boards sleazy ads are losing the board money. I doubt I am the only one in that boat.
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Old 09-20-2018, 05:37 PM
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So, pay for a membership then. It's not ridiculously expensive.
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:41 PM
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No legitimate company that values its customer base signs up for malware. They are "rogue ads," slipped into campaigns or sometimes just plain ol' hijacked from ad suppliers.

STM has been very prompt to stomp out these bad actors when they find them. They also stop doing business with the companies that supply them.

I do not have insight into how the advertising department does their business, but I would assume they book the best that is offered to them.

There is nothing I can do about what gets booked except work to make this site as good as I can and as attractive to traffic as I can possibly make it. I cannot promise you anything where the ads are concerned but that they will continue and that STM will take all the precautions they can. I can't promise you won't be offended. I can't promise a rogue ad won't get through and briefly give you a bad experience and make you unhappy.

All I can do is continue what I've been doing, what I will continue to do. You keep on reporting what you see and maybe even clicking on the occasional ad, and let's see if we can make better things happen.

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Old 09-21-2018, 08:01 AM
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The thing is, these ads are targeting the wrong demographic. They are more for a TMZ demographic, not the older demographic on this site. We'd be better off with the NY Times ad provider, or something like that.

Everyone who serves ads has had issues with malware, but nothing like this place. And, the ads themselves are awful and mis-targeted. And, popunders? Is this 1999? Those are just unacceptable.

Member or not, you still get popunders and hijackers from the main page, right?

I've whitelisted the NY Times and the Washington Post, but I would never whitelist this place until the ad situation changed drastically.
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:39 AM
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Again SDMB sticks out like a sore thumb compared to other sites. There are a ton of respectable sites out there that have ads less offensive, less intrusive than here.

The horror of the ads here means it is driving off first time visitors.

There are much better options out there. This has to be priority one.
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:55 AM
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Judging from Tuba's last post, I don't think the owners are willing to entertain the idea of switching Ad providers. Which is unfortunate.
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:50 AM
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I can't speak for management. Straight Dope staff is not usually a decider in the advertising department, though we have advised them on occasion. That's why you don't see those "popunder" ads so much.

Since we're all over the planet we all see different ads. From where I'm sitting in Atlanta right this second I'm seeing ads for Unicef, Stubhub, and what appears to be a clothing company (Rotita) on the Straight Dope main page. I also see a "sponsored ad" by Mazda.

Looking at today's featured column I see ads for Consumer Cellular, the American Red Cross, and a t-shirt company. At the bottom of the column I find two rows of "sponsored ads" that are tagged as "Brides Blush" and "New Retirement" and the like; these are the "one weird trick" style of ads that you see coming from a long ways away. They're almost at the very bottom and are quite apparent for what they are.

Calling up the front page of the message board I see ... no ads at all. Calling up a thread on the message board I see no adsl.

Of course if I was not logged in to the message board as a member I'd probably see a lot more ads.

Is my experience unique? While I don't find the double row of ads towards the bottom of the column page to be particularly worthy, they're not intrusive. I can easily pass them by. All the other ads are mostly companies and organizations I've heard of before. Your opinion of the American Red Cross may be dubious but I don't see anything particularly "sleazy" here.

What am I missing? I'll go log off now and see what visitors find when they come to the site. But so far ... justads. Nothing noteworthy.

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ETA: I also got a full page ad for something called "Instant Checkmate." I assume this is the same sort of thing as the "don't use this for stalking" ad I saw earlier. Again, maybe a little annoying but my understanding is that you see this once a day at most. I find their claims unpersuasive but I guess someone clicks on these ads or they wouldn't be in business. Is it "sleazy?" I dunno. It's probably not like Unicef, I'll grant you that.

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Old 09-21-2018, 10:59 AM
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When logged out on the message board I saw ads for The Big Apple Circus, Home Depot, and some sort of ad for searching information on people that had the line "I promise not to use this information to stalk anyone." That one gave me pause ... but again, I scrolled right past it and nothing untoward happened. Except now if I want to stalk someone I know exactly where to start.

I realize different people from other parts of the world see totally different ads. In my case, I have attended the Big Apple Circus, I've shopped at Home Depot, Consumer Cellular is my cell phone carrier ... the rest are not particularly pleasing but not offensive. Where you've been often determines what you see in the ad department, both here and elsewhere on the net.

If your experience is different from this, I'd like to hear about it.

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Old 09-21-2018, 11:17 AM
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I don't do a whole lot of Internet surfing on my phone. Sites I visit (including ESPN, Sports Illustrated and ABC News) all have ads, none of which block me from accessing features I want to read, or when I hit the "X" to try and get rid of them display the ad anyway.

I can't say the same for the Straight Dope, which is why I don't access the Dope on my phone.

The reason I installed ad blockers on my laptop was obnoxious, controlling ads on the Dope - the worst ads on other sites were never bad enough for me to consider that step.

It's regrettable if the only advertisers the Dope can consistently attract are sleazeballs.
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Where you've been often determines what you see in the ad department, both here and elsewhere on the net.
Are you really saying that it's our fault if we are subjected to sleazy, controlling ads because we've been places we shouldn't?

In my case at least, I can assure you that's false.

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Old 09-21-2018, 01:22 PM
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I don't do a whole lot of Internet surfing on my phone. Sites I visit (including ESPN, Sports Illustrated and ABC News) all have ads, none of which block me from accessing features I want to read, or when I hit the "X" to try and get rid of them display the ad anyway.

I can't say the same for the Straight Dope, which is why I don't access the Dope on my phone.

The reason I installed ad blockers on my laptop was obnoxious, controlling ads on the Dope - the worst ads on other sites were never bad enough for me to consider that step.

It's regrettable if the only advertisers the Dope can consistently attract are sleazeballs.Are you really saying that it's our fault if we are subjected to sleazy, controlling ads because we've been places we shouldn't?

In my case at least, I can assure you that's false.
I did not imply and did not say that bad ads are your fault; I said that the ads people see are different experiences based on where they live and where they shop and where they go on the internet. There's no such thing as "going places we shouldn't;" I'm not the arbiter of browsing habits and where you go and what you do is totally your business.

Have you accessed the Dope on your phone recently?

While there have been problems in the past it's a different day now; it's a different site in a lot of ways and that includes the ads. Or so I have been informed.

(My eyesight is such that reading the Dope on a phone is difficult for me. But the little bit I've done -- without Tapatalk, btw -- was okay; I just had a hard time reading it because it was so small. Didn't see anything awful, though.)

Again, based on geography and cookies, YMMV.

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Old 09-21-2018, 01:41 PM
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I turned off ad block for a quick browse to see what I got. The overlay ads were McDonald'sX2, NFL streamingX2, and Soccer streamingX2. So nothing sketchy but also no way it had anything to do with my browsing history nor geography. The inline google ads obviously took geography into account as I got a couple "Jobs in the marijuana industry " ads there.

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I just tried mine too. It's not nearly as bad as I remember it being when I tried to log on at work a while back ago.

No sketchy ads seen.
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So, pay for a membership then. It's not ridiculously expensive.
^This.
I suffered through the malware-laden advertisements way back when, to the point of re-imaging my laptop, used an ad blocker, and finally coughed up cold hard cash for membership.

Twenty smack-a-roos more than makes up for it.

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So the suggestion, it is the Stockholm syndrome to the sustainability in revenue? That is an interesting economic model for the negative growth.

the add blocker for the not logged in, it is the only route as the gate of reasoning closed long ago.
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So the suggestion, it is the Stockholm syndrome to the sustainability in revenue? That is an interesting economic model for the negative growth.

the add blocker for the not logged in, it is the only route as the gate of reasoning closed long ago.
I know English is not your first language and I'm not sure I exactly follow, but I just want to say that those two lines come across as really poetic. Especially the second one -- it reads like a haiku or something.


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You want non-sleeze ads?


you DO REALIZE that ad content is based on YOUR browsing and search history?
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I am always surprised by the suggestion that new visitors to the site should pay immediately for membership.
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You want non-sleeze ads?


you DO REALIZE that ad content is based on YOUR browsing and search history?
It doesn't work that way. A clean browsing/search history does not prevent sleazy ads.
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Maybe first 20 posts free of ads.
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I just log in at boards.straightdope.com and I don't get any ads. I'm not a paid member, either.
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Maybe first 20 posts free of ads.
Maybe all posts free of sleazy ads?
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I am always surprised by the suggestion that new visitors to the site should pay immediately for membership.
Advertisements are part of life, from television to magazines to Times Square. I choose my hard-earned dollars go to the coffers. New visitors can decide.

Newcomers to explore and I welcome them to hang around.

Me?I it is 20 USD is worth it. Your Millage May Vary.
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Old 09-23-2018, 04:58 AM
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heres a weird one http://pilatesandyogafitness.com/the...edium=referral ....

its esl made me chuckle but ironically after I made the op Ive been getting ads for mainstream stuff until the above
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Old 09-23-2018, 01:28 PM
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Advertisements are part of life, from television to magazines to Times Square. I choose my hard-earned dollars go to the coffers. New visitors can decide.

Newcomers to explore and I welcome them to hang around.

Me?I it is 20 USD is worth it. Your Millage May Vary.
It is a unique approach to a Selling proposition to newcomers to have the idea of the Hostage taking experience as the selling point for the newcomer to become a member.

A unique concept, maybe other businesses can try your idea - like if they walk into the shopping center not letting them out and bombarding them with the sleazy sales pitches. -- in fact it is indeed the perfect metaphor, the late 1990s and the early 2000s look and approach of the shopping center frozen in time...

They can thus sieze on the paying customer susceptible to the stockholm syndrome and reverse their delcine.

I wonder why more busineses do not sieze on this unique idea of a selling process?

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It is a unique approach to a Selling proposition to newcomers to have the idea of the Hostage taking experience as the selling point for the newcomer to become a member.

A unique concept, maybe other businesses can try your idea - like if they walk into the shopping center not letting them out and bombarding them with the sleazy sales pitches. -- in fact it is indeed the perfect metaphor, the late 1990s and the early 2000s look and approach of the shopping center frozen in time...

They can thus sieze on the paying customer susceptible to the stockholm syndrome and reverse their delcine.

I wonder why more busineses do not sieze on this unique idea of a selling process?
I heartily agree with the Stockholm experience as I lurk here on and off most of my life. No reason than other than pure laziness, and I get to meet people from all over the world. (I am house-bound in case you are interested).
Do you have any suggestions about keeping the SDMB afloat?

I don't mind the ads, I just choose to support an entity that I wish to continue.-

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Right, but don't you think people might want to check out the place a bit before deciding whether or not a membership is worth it to them?

And while there's nothing wrong with ads, they shouldn't be for sleazy porn sites.
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Right, but don't you think people might want to check out the place a bit before deciding whether or not a membership is worth it to them?

And while there's nothing wrong with ads, they shouldn't be for sleazy porn sites.
No I doin't. The sleazy ads i suffered through seem to be long gone thanks to another ad provider. I vote with my wallet, others I embrace with open arms.
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So, just as a test, I've had this site whitelisted on my PC since this topic was made, and to be honest the ad experience has been entirely benign. I mean, I haven't felt any urges to click on them or anything (most of the ads I get are for the amazon kindle), but they haven't been annoying at all.
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So, pay for a membership then. It's not ridiculously expensive.
This, for Pete's sake! Just pay your minuscule share for a service you use and value. Geez Louise.
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This, for Pete's sake! Just pay your minuscule share for a service you use and value. Geez Louise.
No

The ratio of the guests to the members says exactly the market value.

The idea that there is some obligation to become the paying member is ridiculous and grossly self defeating, just like the very stupid experiment of the pay to post.

The grossly tone deaf attempt to member shame is of that same nature.
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actually ive only gotten 1 of the ads I originally complained about since I made the op....and it was some news letter on how trump was gonna send Hillary to jail because of secret tapes and they had "the truth"...…..
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No

The ratio of the guests to the members says exactly the market value.

The idea that there is some obligation to become the paying member is ridiculous and grossly self defeating, just like the very stupid experiment of the pay to post.

The grossly tone deaf attempt to member shame is of that same nature.
There is no OBLIGATION. If there were an obligation, then you wouldn't be reading this. It's the right thing to do. You use the service. You value it. SOMEONE is paying for it--you realize that, right? You should be a grownup and pay your share. It's the grossly tone-deaf refusal to hear the correctness of what I'm saying that's causing the shameful feelings.
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There is no OBLIGATION. If there were an obligation, then you wouldn't be reading this. It's the right thing to do. You use the service. You value it. SOMEONE is paying for it--you realize that, right? You should be a grownup and pay your share. It's the grossly tone-deaf refusal to hear the correctness of what I'm saying that's causing the shameful feelings.
Non.

Your boring scolding interventions with the finger waiving arising from some strange confusion of the value you assign with what others percieve are things mostly useless.

There is no "grown up" paying a share, there is a proposition and the free market, and if the proposition is not convincing enough to motivate the direct payment, then it has to find the other ways.

the ratio of the payers to the non payers says exactly what a market value is for the service.

So then like the television, it needs the other revenue as the size of that market seeing value in payment is not big enough.

That is the grown-up, as you say it, analysis.

The 'correctness' you perceieve is a self déception and ascribing of your value on to the others, who have no obligation at all to share it.

So the board to survive is not to engage in the silly pointless and self-harming scolding approach but needs to find the way to address the current market, to address the ways the current market has changed and the new expectations or it dies.

The useful observation of those who have now white listed and say that the advertising no longer is what it was before, that can help - the change in the market perception is difficult which is why the mismanagements of this Board from the pay-to-post to the self-harming refusal to modernise and to address the years longs complaints is an illustration of the difficulty of the changing of the market perception once a negative one has been created. Maybe I may try to trust the site non logged in now. Maybe.

The useful suggestions in the suggestions of improvements thread on the minor revisions of the format (the avaters, a step, the search function improvement another, the interaction tools other than the posts, another possibility, other suggestions on the look: the free offers to assist in the development of a modernised look and the templates not broken and badly made as in the mismanagement era, these are useful things if the Board is not to whither like the stubborn mismanaged Retailer that insists on its old classic products are the Right Thing and the Right Value... and the scolding of the window shopper who is not any more seduced by the Classic Product, that is the nice road to failure.

These window shoppers, they have not one obligation to this Business (Board). Not one and so the grown-up as you say it approach to not failure of the business is to change to meet the market, to meet the potential customer feedbacks.
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You're spending more than $15 worth of energy defending your untenable position. But have at it. I'm outta here.
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There is no money spent in this and to be a member or not has not a thing to do with the rational grown-up analysis of the economics of the business and its position.

The only untenablity is the self deception of the belief that there is any obligation for any single person to pay here or that the value you place on this is something of the necessity shared by many others - indeed the ratios of the paying to the non paying say it is not, and that very clearly.

So the scolding has only the negative value.
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