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Old 12-19-2019, 11:32 AM
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This is where you guys totally lose me.

Why?
If the country is doing OK, the economy is doing great.

For what reason (s) would you ever wish what you just wished? To simply have power back to implement your policies?
As far as I know, I'd probably lose most of the progressives on this board as well, so you've got company.

I don't actually want this to happen, but I think it's probably the only way we're going to rid ourselves of Trump. That said, even if we do, there's still Pence and a highly corrupt GOP.

More and more, I'm of the opinion that American democracy is old political machinery that's starting to break down, in need of parts that are no longer being manufactured.
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Old 12-19-2019, 01:13 PM
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Obviously trump will win, I mean look at his stunning victories in trade partners!


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-ca...oTv0Fc7WrYTiio


"The US Department of Agriculture listed Wakanda as a free-trade partner - despite it being a fictional country."


And of course that proves he isnt a racist, since he has a Black trade partner, amirite?
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Old 12-19-2019, 01:27 PM
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It seems you have some very strongly vested interest in believing that certain groups are inherently less than other groups. The NBA and the NFL are a red herring. You need to do some self reflection to understand why you find this idea so reflexively repellent.
Thatís enough right there. Attack the post. Do not personalize things.
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Old 12-19-2019, 01:42 PM
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Thatís enough right there. Attack the post. Do not personalize things.
Understood and fair enough.

Really didn't appreciate him fabricating words and attributing them to me though.
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Old 12-19-2019, 03:05 PM
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What personal attack? I called the argument it sounded like you are making asinine. That is attacking an argument not a person. If that isn't your argument then you could have just clarified, but you have not.

Also I did not say that at all, so no goal post shifting. I never said equal opportunity would lead to equal outcomes for all groups. Why do you feel the need to lie about what I said? Do you need to do that in order to defend your position? Here is what I said:

"If you do believe this, then you would not expect equality of opportunity to correlate to equality of outcome.

If you believe that all people have potential and that one type of person is on average equal to other types of people, then you would expect equality of opportunity across all types of people to lead to a closer equality of outcome for everyone."

Either argue with what I actually said, or bugger off. But don't lie about what I said. That's bullshit.
Thisíll get you a warning, Airbeck. Do not accuse others of lying.
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Old 12-19-2019, 03:08 PM
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Understood and fair enough.

Really didn't appreciate him fabricating words and attributing them to me though.
And a second one for THIS accusation of lying.

For heavens sake.
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Old 12-19-2019, 03:11 PM
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