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My mistake on one thing on the above list. I should have given credit for the end of Vietnam to Ford rather than Nixon. None the less I think Nixon did accomplish several things which those of us on the left would point to as great accomplishments had they been done by a Democrat.
I should think that no one would want credit for any part of our involvement in the Vietnam War, be it beginning, middle, or end.
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Old 01-15-2020, 10:19 AM
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Tidbit on Ronald Reagan:

Just found out that while watching the movie 1983 "War Games" Reagan grew so concerned about the movies concept of a hacker breaking into the defense departments computers the next day he asked his defense secretary to look into it. He did and quickly reported back that it was indeed a problem (partially because the US had been hacking other countries computers) and Reagan soon signed legislation protecting the nations computer systems.
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Old 01-15-2020, 10:35 AM
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Hmmm...most politically talented - setting aside politics

1. LBJ - The most politically astute in affairs of office
2. Nixon - Similar to LBJ in office
3. Truman - unpopular incumbent who beat Dewey
4. Obama, Clinton, JFK - experts at the art of the political campaign
5. HW Bush - Politically skilled - the best choice for the Reagan reconstruction
6. Ike - an astute, moderate politician (but I voted for Stevenson)
7. Reagan, W Bush - inept objects who fronted for the establishment
8. Carter - an honest man and an inept politician
9. Ford - largely apolitical
10, In a normal distribution there will be rare cases that fall outside the 3 sigma points. They are statistical outliers that are best removed from consideration because they pollute the data. Such a one is Trump.
I'm just going to copy this and sign my name to it, since I agree with both the rankings and the concise rationales.

That said, I'd probably put Reagan just above rather than equal with W on the basis of Reagan's greater charisma and communication skills, but I agree that both Reagan and W coasted on their folksy charm while corrupt individuals in their administrations actually ran things (and screwed them up royally).
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If you combine the two aspects of campaigning and governing, then Reagan was the most talented. He understood the office of the presidency and how to leverage its power better than any politician since FDR. The 1986 tax reform was a towering achievement in a second term that only someone as talented as Reagan could have achieved.
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If you combine the two aspects of campaigning and governing, then Reagan was the most talented. He understood the office of the presidency and how to leverage its power better than any politician since FDR. The 1986 tax reform was a towering achievement in a second term that only someone as talented as Reagan could have achieved.
However, prior to Trump Reagan held the record for most members of his administration indicted. That's not a sign of great governing.
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Going that route, toss in Washington, Jackson, and WH Harrison. Those are the six whose prior government job title was General. But Tramp never held ANY government position, civilian or military - he's the only one.
No, all three of them had held elected offices before becoming President. Washington had been elected for several terms in the Virginia legislature. Jackson and Harrison had both been Senators.
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