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Old 01-01-2020, 11:18 AM
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Biden's time is past. He isn't nearly as sharp as he once was, and he regularly inserts his foot quite far into his mouth. His popularity, such as it is, is accounted for by name recognition among old farts.

Yang has lots of fresh new ideas, some of which are straight up genius. You all know about UBI, and I'll admit it is unlikely to happen. Democracy Dollars, which is his easy fix for the money in politics fiasco, is my personal favorite. Human-Centered Capitalism is a close second.
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Biden's time is past. He isn't nearly as sharp as he once was, and he regularly inserts his foot quite far into his mouth. His popularity, such as it is, is accounted for by name recognition among old farts.

Yang has lots of fresh new ideas, some of which are straight up genius. You all know about UBI, and I'll admit it is unlikely to happen. Democracy Dollars, which is his easy fix for the money in politics fiasco, is my personal favorite. Human-Centered Capitalism is a close second.
Is UBI really a new policy? Isn’t it just a newer version of an incomes policy or negative income tax? Similar ideas like that have been kicked around since post WW II.
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The Yang campaign raised $1.3M on 12/31/19 and $4M between Christmas eve and the end of New Year's eve.

From Eric Ming from the campaign:

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Final Number: Over $1.3M Raised on 12/31. Over $4M Raised Xmas Eve to midnight on 12/31.
The original goal was $3M and was supposed to be a stretch. The day before the deadline when the goal looked likely to be met, they added another $500K to the goal. In the last few hours, they asked if $4M was possible, and it was.

This was a neat map of where the donations came from in the last hour of donating -- all over the country. Nice reference to the song.

Yang's book, The War on Normal People made it to the NY Times bestseller list on New Year's eve as well.

Lots of energy around the Reddit sub right now. There are 7K members there as I type this. Generally, there are 2-3K members live on average. During the last debate, it was 10K.

Yang was at 5 events in New Hampshire to ring in the New Year. They had to add a 6th when there was overflow from one of them.
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Is UBI really a new policy? Isn’t it just a newer version of an incomes policy or negative income tax? Similar ideas like that have been kicked around since post WW II.
From Yang's stump speech. UBI has been around since the founding of the country. It was proposed by Thomas Paine. Later, Martin Luther King, Jr. was a big proponent. Richard Nixon pushed for it and got it passed in the House twice, but it died in the Senate because the Democrats wanted it to be more generous.

UBI has been around since way before that. Here's a video on UBI from Dec. 2017.

Universal Basic Income Explained – Free Money for Everybody? UBI

Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell

This video is not related to Yang's plan.

Yang started on the UBI train in 2014.

I can't speak for Mr. Duality, but I think he meant that the ideas are new to the current political scene.
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I happened to catch a Tom Steyer ad the other day. I usually avoid them by either streaming or watching shows on my dvr, but was actually watching something live and couldn't avoid it this time.

There was a segment which was taken from one of the debates, and Steyer was saying words to the effect: On day one I'll institute policies to counteract climate change. Fine. But Yang was standing next to him, and as soon as Steyer said the "On day one I will..." part, Yang turned toward him and got this ecstatic look on his face. It read to me like he wanted to do things "on day one" too. But it was such a weird expression...very true believer-ish and creepy. But the ad put me off both Steyer and Yang. They are the kind of people who are the "boss" and have done things their way.

I don't want another CEO type who's coming to save us. I want someone to work with people and not dictate to them.
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From Yang's stump speech. UBI has been around since the founding of the country. It was proposed by Thomas Paine. Later, Martin Luther King, Jr. was a big proponent. Richard Nixon pushed for it and got it passed in the House twice, but it died in the Senate because the Democrats wanted it to be more generous.

UBI has been around since way before that. Here's a video on UBI from Dec. 2017.

Universal Basic Income Explained – Free Money for Everybody? UBI

Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell

This video is not related to Yang's plan.

Yang started on the UBI train in 2014.

I can't speak for Mr. Duality, but I think he meant that the ideas are new to the current political scene.
I think Democracy Dollars is completely fresh. Not so sure about others.
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Andrew Yang's campaign raised $16.5M for Q4 2019.

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Yang received 1M contributions from 400K donors to raise total of $31M in 2019. Small dollar donations (<$200) comprised 75+% of total contributions. Campaign record of $1.3M raised in last 24hrs of 2019

Q1: $1.8M | Q2: $2.8M | Q3: $9.9M
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Last night, Yang put out a tweet that he was happy to announce the Q4 results, but he didn't give the number. The Yang Gang were joking the Yang was trolling them since everyone was eager to see the number. Yang meant that he was putting out the Q4 number to the press that night. lol

One of the first recipients of the Freedom Dividend in New Hampshire that Yang gave out of his pocket was ending the year and sent this message to Yang.

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My family is no longer receiving Universal Basic Income. We are not in anyway more Socialist or lazy. We are by far better off than one year ago. We may not know what the future holds going forward but we know forward is the direction we are moving. Thanks you #AndrewYang !
I'm excited to hear more about how the other recipients of the Freedom Dividend are doing.

Yang congratulated Julian Castro on a good run.

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Congrats Julián on having run a tremendous race that elevated the right issues. Too many Americans feel left out and left behind. I know you will continue to fight for them.
In a weird twist, MSNBC reported on the lack of polls in December in early states for the 2020 election. Steve Kornacki reported that there were only 4 polls in all of December 2019 in the early states and none of them were qualifying. In December of the last election year, there were 14 polls, according to Kornacki. He gave the reason that polls are expensive and it's harder to get people on the phone since people don't have landlines and don't pick up their cell phones. The piece had nothing to do with Yang. Yet Yang is one of the only people to benefit from more qualifying polls in December, so I'm sure Kornacki knows that. There would be no reason to add the qualifying part if no one had the chance to qualify with more polls. I'm guessing that clip will be running around twitter, being shown to the DNC. Some people are offering to pay for the polls, saying that it's for democracy's sake.
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Old 01-02-2020, 11:49 AM
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The December debate was the first one I watched. Never knew what a Yang was before.
I was impressed with how articulate he was. Impressive.

Not meaning to thread poop, but I would be proud to have any of the democratic candidates on the ballot. Unlike the current WH occupant, all were great speakers.
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Andrew Yang's campaign raised $16.5M for Q4 2019.



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Last night, Yang put out a tweet that he was happy to announce the Q4 results, but he didn't give the number. The Yang Gang were joking the Yang was trolling them since everyone was eager to see the number. Yang meant that he was putting out the Q4 number to the press that night. lol

One of the first recipients of the Freedom Dividend in New Hampshire that Yang gave out of his pocket was ending the year and sent this message to Yang.



I'm excited to hear more about how the other recipients of the Freedom Dividend are doing.

Yang congratulated Julian Castro on a good run.



In a weird twist, MSNBC reported on the lack of polls in December in early states for the 2020 election. Steve Kornacki reported that there were only 4 polls in all of December 2019 in the early states and none of them were qualifying. In December of the last election year, there were 14 polls, according to Kornacki. He gave the reason that polls are expensive and it's harder to get people on the phone since people don't have landlines and don't pick up their cell phones. The piece had nothing to do with Yang. Yet Yang is one of the only people to benefit from more qualifying polls in December, so I'm sure Kornacki knows that. There would be no reason to add the qualifying part if no one had the chance to qualify with more polls. I'm guessing that clip will be running around twitter, being shown to the DNC. Some people are offering to pay for the polls, saying that it's for democracy's sake.
I have no idea what the economies of scale are for polling organizations, but I wonder if having two campaigns to poll made it more economical to commission polls in Dec 2016? Also, impeachment polls weren’t an issue in 2016.
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Ann Selzer doesn’t name the YangGang specifically but we know who she’s referring to with their pressure to do more polls.

https://twitter.com/jaselzer/status/...921164802?s=21
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Ann Selzer doesn’t name the YangGang specifically but we know who she’s referring to with their pressure to do more polls.

https://twitter.com/jaselzer/status/...921164802?s=21
I like the (sarcastic) suggestion in the comments:

"You should ask [the callers] what they want the result to be and start with that."

They'd probably approve.

I said it a long time ago, possibly in this very thread, but man oh man he really is the Ron Paul of 2020.

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First of all, the primary schedules are different so December 2019 isn't the same as December 2015. But more importantly for the Yang Gang, qualifying with local state polls requires 7% in two polls. That is a hopeless goal for Yang.
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I like the (sarcastic) suggestion in the comments:

"You should ask [the callers] what they want the result to be and start with that."

They'd probably approve.

I said it a long time ago, possibly in this very thread, but man oh man he really is the Ron Paul of 2020.
I said he's the Snakes on a Plane Candidate. All the rage on Twitter but a bomb at the boxoffice.
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Except his campaign is raking in the dough. Main expense seem to be giving some shlub a Freedom Dividend.
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Let me know when he breaks 5% in any meaningful poll.

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Why are there such negative feelings towards Yang? He's not going to win but he could make a good cabinet secretary if a Dem wins.
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Emerson poll Sept. 2019
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September 2019? Guess he's losing support since in anything recent he has a high water mark of 6% - and that's in a more recent Emerson poll!

Maybe you can find some polls from 2018 which get him into the January debate?

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Why are there such negative feelings towards Yang? He's not going to win but he could make a good cabinet secretary if a Dem wins.
No, he wouldn't. I'll assume he made a decent "entrepreneur ambassador" or whatever he was for Obama but he deserves no national scale powers.

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Yang fails to qualify for the Ohio primary for some paperwork error in circulating his petitions.

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Cue the YangGang whining about how the man is keeping Yang down, even though no other candidacy seems to be having this problem in Ohio.

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Yang's response, in part: ""My campaign submitted nearly three times the amount of signatures needed, virtually ensuring I would be on the ballot in Ohio. Nevertheless, because of a bureaucratic paperwork issue caused by an awkwardly-worded law, nearly 3,000 Ohioans' First Amendment rights have been denied. As a non-politician, it's unfathomable that this could happen..."

Bolding mine.

Wow.

I guess I should wait to see whether any other candidate also gets ruled off the ballot, but if it's just Yang then this is a very, very bad look for the campaign. Maybe I'm slightly biased because I got my political chops in Chicago, where ruling people's petitions invalid is a national pastime, but any serious campaign and any serious candidate needs to make it their business (and usually does) to research the ins and outs of ballot access in every. single. state. If there's an "awkwardly-worded law," you get on the horn to the state officials who can explain it to you. If you're a "non-politician" you make sure to surround yourself with people who ARE politicians enough to know the quagmire that ballot access rules can be.

Unfathomable indeed. But not perhaps for the reasons Yang thinks. Guess we'll see if anyone else has this problem too.
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It's just a talking point: "As a businessman I can cut through government nonsense."

Meanwhile, beyond the talking point:

1) As President he will have absolutely dick to do with changing election laws in 50 states and the handful of territories.
2) None of the other candidates seem to be having an issue.
3) Sometimes the government is better at some things. That's why government-run healthcare across the planet does better than our model.

Wow, Yang hates Medicare for All, what a shock.
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Oh, I think it has less to do with being a businessman cutting through government nonsense and more an attempt to say "It's not my fault--it's the stupid rules. Be mad at the state, be mad at the guy enforcing the rules, don't be mad at me."

Seems to be working on his supporters, as you predicted. Check out the comments on the tweet dalej42 linked to.

Of course, being a write-in candidate is not necessarily the kiss of death--consider Lisa Murkowski. Maybe this is just the break the Yang campaign is looking for!
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Just created a thread about January polls but Yang came in at less than 3% so that really doesn’t bode well for him making the next debate.
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Funny pic of the day.

CNBC just posted a video of the Presidential campaign hauls. On the graphic, they have the numbers for Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard. For the pictures, there's another asian guy for Yang and Kirsten Gillibrand for Tulsi.

This was one of the comments from the youtube video they took down. I just happened to have it open on my browser while they were taking it down.

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LMAO did your guy just google "Asian guy" for Yang's picture? That's not him. I'm dying )))
After the Yang campaign and the Yang Gang had a good laugh about it, and The Hill did a piece mocking them, CNBC took down the video and put out an apology in another piece.

It turns out that the picture was for a guy named Geoff Yang who is on the board of AT&T.

I watched the video before they took it down. They saved the biggest slam for Bernie. The talking head said that if teachers are Bernie's biggest contributors, are they teaching all their students about socialism.

The incompetence of the networks is craptastic.

In unrelated news, I thought this article was interesting. After slamming Yang for the first half of the article, a writer in The American Conservative decided that UBI might be a conservative policy, using all of Yang's talking points.

Universal Basic Income: An Idea Whose Time Has Come
Andrew Yang's signature policy has propelled him to fame for a reason: it addresses a serious problem that looms over our economy.


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Second, it shows real concern for people in rural areas and small towns who have watched their jobs vanish and their neighbors die of suicide and opioid overdoses. “Things are disintegrating in communities around our country, and our government does not care. …Trump’s victory was a giant cry for…help,” Yang said in one interview. While other candidates like Pete Buttigieg continue to trot out the old “basket of deplorables” talking point, Yang truly gets it. His Freedom Dividend policy proves that he does. In her video on the topic, conservative commentator Lauren Chen questioned whether it made sense to give everyone the same amount of money no matter where they live. After all, $1,000 goes a lot further in rural Mississippi than it does in New York City. This isn’t an oversight on Yang’s part though. It’s a deliberate choice to incentivize people to live where their Freedom Dividend has the most purchasing power. This proposal could help breathe new life into dying towns that have lost many of their best and brightest to swollen megacities.
This week is Yangweek for the Yang Gang. People are going to Iowa from all over the world to canvass for Yang in Iowa starting this week.
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I’ve watched endless hours of Squawk Box on CNBC box, they’re pretty hard right with some libertarian tendencies so I imagine Yang is one of their Democrats they like. Some intern really messed up bad on probably her/his first week.
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I like UBI.
I am ambivalent about Yang.
I think his fan club sucks goat ass.
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I agree some of the Yang fans are over the top, very much like some Ron Paul fans in 2012. I think most Yang fans are like me, not like those fanatics.
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I'd like to see Yang continue on the debate stage so that the other candidates will start to ripping off some of his ideas.

I particularly like his approach to Trump voters. Don't just call them racists and wash your hands of them. Ask yourself what would cause so many americans to vote for someone like trump and continue to support someone like trump and try to answer the question without assuming or concluding that they are bad people.
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Going back to the graphics snafu, Geoff Yang spoke up.

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The new joke is that the network will claim that Andrew Yang dropped out based on this statement.

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I’ve watched endless hours of Squawk Box on CNBC box, they’re pretty hard right with some libertarian tendencies so I imagine Yang is one of their Democrats they like. Some intern really messed up bad on probably her/his first week.
Interesting. I don't watch MSM, but if I had to guess, I'd guess they don't know Yang's platform. If they said anything positive about him, I would think I'd have read about it.

Any thoughts on why all of these graphics are messed up as well? A Visual History of the #YangMediaBlackout They're all examples of the same kind of thing. That's a lot of first week interns.

I've watched people in the Yang Gang or Yang himself trying to understand why it's happening. They're at a loss. Thinking that there's that much incompetence going on is bewildering. In the beginning, it was easier to believe that they just didn't think about him or remember him, but lately, that doesn't explain all the graphics errors that skip over him, considering they're looking at the poll numbers as they create the graphic.

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I am ambivalent about Yang.
I think his fan club sucks goat ass.
Here's a poll for you.

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Which Democratic presidential candidate has the most #INSUFFERABLE supporters? Feel free to discuss!
You can vent away in the comments.

Half the Yang Gang in the comments voted for Yang because they voted without looking at the question. lol

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I agree some of the Yang fans are over the top, very much like some Ron Paul fans in 2012. I think most Yang fans are like me, not like those fanatics.
I think they'd almost have to be. Without the Yang Gang, there probably wouldn't be much happening in the early days of the campaign. There's no media coverage since he's an unknown. There was no money since he didn't have many followers in the beginning, so no ads. His campaign grew first by social media and then by word of mouth from people on social media. Without fervent fans growing the following on social media, there wouldn't be much of a following. Like anything happening online, things can go south fast on the fringes. That said, I think they try to do their best to try to get people to behave better with their slogan Humanity First!

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I'd like to see Yang continue on the debate stage so that the other candidates will start to ripping off some of his ideas.

I particularly like his approach to Trump voters. Don't just call them racists and wash your hands of them. Ask yourself what would cause so many americans to vote for someone like trump and continue to support someone like trump and try to answer the question without assuming or concluding that they are bad people.
From what I've seen of Yang, this would be Yang's dream come true. Since the beginning, he was trying to get other candidates to take on his platform, particularly trying to unite the country and trying to get the party to accept Trump voters. He felt that his platform on automation and UBI would do that.
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Twitter candidate supporters with a non-scientific Twitter poll about his Twitter candidacy.
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Bears repeating.

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I'd like to see Yang continue on the debate stage so that the other candidates will start to ripping off some of his ideas.

I particularly like his approach to Trump voters. Don't just call them racists and wash your hands of them. Ask yourself what would cause so many americans to vote for someone like trump and continue to support someone like trump and try to answer the question without assuming or concluding that they are bad people.
Well, it's not surprising Yang feels that way since he draws support from the fringes of Trump country. From earlier in the thread:
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And for those who question Yang's "electability," I'd like to note this: I didn't think he was electable at first due to him being 1) Chinese and his 2) U.B.I. proposal which was gonna be just more red-bait.

But I became a true believer just five days ago (and have been researching this guy and U.B.I. since then [that's how I found out about this forum and this thread]) when I noticed that in the YouTube comments even Trump supporters and, especially, white supremacists were saying they were supporting him for President -- all because of U.B.I.!!.

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It's interesting to see Ron Paul's name mentioned on this thread. Back in June, I made an analogy between Andrew Yang's candidacy and Ron Paul's.

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It's easier to run as a fringe candidate and stay in the race longer these days. Like others, I tend to view Yang's candidacy as a distraction. I don't want to see his name mentioned past the end of January. Enough people have seen his talking points, but this race, this election is too serious for candidates that aren't ready to govern on day one.
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Beat you to it, asahi...from March 11 of 2019 and in this very thread.

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Reading through (part of) this very long thread confirms my belief that Andrew Yang is the Ron Paul of the 2020 Democratic primaries—loved, even venerated, by a few, and ignored by the many.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...&postcount=311

Not that I'm competitive or anything

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Yang's response, in part: ""My campaign submitted nearly three times the amount of signatures needed, virtually ensuring I would be on the ballot in Ohio. Nevertheless, because of a bureaucratic paperwork issue caused by an awkwardly-worded law, nearly 3,000 Ohioans' First Amendment rights have been denied. As a non-politician, it's unfathomable that this could happen..."
This, right here, is what I find unlikeable about Yang, and about "outsiders" in general.

He IS a politician. He's running for President, and to say "I'm not a politician" is either amazingly stupid or amazingly dishonest. Ulf nails it; if Yang wants to be a politician, and that is what he is implicitly saying, then he needs to make politics his business. And if politics is your business, you know the rules.
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Beat you to it, asahi...from March 11 of 2019 and in this very thread.



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This, right here, is what I find unlikeable about Yang, and about "outsiders" in general.

He IS a politician. He's running for President, and to say "I'm not a politician" is either amazingly stupid or amazingly dishonest. Ulf nails it; if Yang wants to be a politician, and that is what he is implicitly saying, then he needs to make politics his business. And if politics is your business, you know the rules.
Moreover, if you're going to apply for the job of president, you have to know that your job is to surround yourself with people who are competent in things like law and administration. If Yang can't even get his name on the ballot, and if he can't hire people who can make that happen, then that's not really sending the right message.
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Twitter candidate supporters with a non-scientific Twitter poll about his Twitter candidacy.Bears repeating.
Who knows ... maybe the Yang Gang is the new Peanut Brigade !
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Bears too?

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