View Poll Results: When did you decide Trump needed to be impeached?
Before Trump got elected 21 16.80%
After Trump was elected, but before he was inaugurated 7 5.60%
After the news of Russian interference in election 33 26.40%
After news of the Ukraine quid pro quo 23 18.40%
Some time in between the Russia and Ukraine incidents 15 12.00%
Some other scandal of Trump's entirely 9 7.20%
I don't want Trump impeached 17 13.60%
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Old 12-11-2019, 08:48 PM
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Whether he deserves to be impeached and whether it is a wise strategy to do so are two very different questions.

I'm satisfied that he richly deserves to be impeached, but I do not think it is a wise strategy for the Dems. We all know that there simply are not enough votes in the Senate to remove him from office. As such, impeachment will accomplish nothing for the Dems, and perversely, may turn out to be a net positive for Trump. His supporters are well and truly pissed off about the whole deal. I think the Dems may see a large backlash that not only re-elects Trump, but carries the House on his coat tails.
People keep saying this, but there’s no evidence of it. It’s IMO tragic and infuriating that the impeachment hearings didn’t move public opinion dramatically against Trump, but they certainly don’t seem to have moved it in his favor, either. The 40% of the people who are in his pocket aren’t shifting, but the 50% who see him for what he is aren’t, either.

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I happen to believe that the Justice Department's current interpretation, that the President cannot be federally indicted against his will, is correct. And the logical correlary of that is that the President can and should be impeached for any federal crime he has committed. Of which we knew of several before Trump assumed office: For simplicity's sake, I'll just mention the tax evasion, as one for which the evidence is perfectly clear-cut. So as soon as the possibility of Trump being impeached became relevant, I concluded that it should happen.
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I'm shocked to learn that.

My God, you mean that couldn't have been done? Or maybe, just maybe, we mean that he never should have been elected or even won the Primary.
So much for facts in GD/Elections. Apparently, it's all about feelings, now.
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Old 12-12-2019, 06:53 AM
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So much for facts in GD/Elections. Apparently, it's all about feelings, now.
Rules for GD/Elections
Nothing there prohibiting feelings.
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Old 12-12-2019, 07:58 AM
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So much for facts in GD/Elections. Apparently, it's all about feelings, now.
Take it up with Velocity. It's in the thread title.
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It's ridiculous, and indicative of this board's bias, that almost 20% of the respondents said the President should have been impeached before the election.

That's not even possible.
What's the antecedent here?

That almost 20% of respondents came to a decision before the election that Trump should be impeached if elected?

How is that not possible?
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Old 12-12-2019, 09:04 AM
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So much for facts in GD/Elections. Apparently, it's all about feelings, now.
Reread the Op. We answered correctly and honestly. This one is all about our opinions sometime in the past. You seem to be confused.
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I am a middle of the road Independent.

I supported the Mueller Report, etc.

The last straw for me was the Ukraine bribes.

However, Trump will be impeached by the House; but acquitted by the Senate.

End of story.
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Old 12-15-2019, 08:29 AM
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However, Trump will be impeached by the House; but acquitted by the Senate.

End of story.
Holy cow!! Really???
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I thought the Ukraine recording was evidence of an impeachable offense.

I think it's informative that only 11% of the respondents don't want trump impeached while 45% of the general population do not want trump impeached. We have all but driven out dissent on this board. This board has become a liberal echo chamber.
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I thought the Ukraine recording was evidence of an impeachable offense.

I think it's informative that only 11% of the respondents don't want trump impeached while 45% of the general population do not want trump impeached. We have all but driven out dissent on this board. This board has become a liberal echo chamber.
Or that the polling methodologies are so widely different to not be comparable.

Or that some extreme right wing dissenters in the broader population choose engage behavior that is tolerated elsewhere, but is not tolerated here so they were sanctioned and/or banned.

Or right wing dissenters themselves want an echo chamber, which they didn’t find here, so they left.

Or a bunch more things that counter your conclusion that dissenters were “driven out”.
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Or that the polling methodologies are so widely different to not be comparable.
They're not supposed to diverge that much

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Or that some extreme right wing dissenters in the broader population choose engage behavior that is tolerated elsewhere, but is not tolerated here so they were sanctioned and/or banned.
Right because all the bad behavior is coming from one side.

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Or right wing dissenters themselves want an echo chamber, which they didn’t find here, so they left.
There are echo chambers on both sides. I didbn't think this was supposed to be one of those echo chambers.

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Or a bunch more things that counter your conclusion that dissenters were “driven out”.
None of these things counter my conclusion, they provide alternate (and frankly much less likely) explanatons. Of course they were driven out. I've said it dozen times. This place is Arrakis for conservatives and moderates and its disneyland for liberals.

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We tend to drive away people unable to make coherent, fact-based posts. Why the people affected by this heavily skew toward supporting Trump is left as an exercise for the reader.
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I thought the Ukraine recording was evidence of an impeachable offense.



I think it's informative that only 11% of the respondents don't want trump impeached while 45% of the general population do not want trump impeached. We have all but driven out dissent on this board. This board has become a liberal echo chamber.
You cannot compare the results of a voluntary self selected respondent sample with a real poll.
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FWIW, a research poll done in February 2017 (just a few weeks into the Trump presidency) indicated that 58% of Democrats already wanted Trump impeached.

("Support for Impeaching the Presidents," the third bar graph in the article)
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When he bragged of obstructing justice. IIRC his tweet was, "I don't obstruct unless I'm fighting back - and I'm fighting!" That's a straight-up admission of a high crime.
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