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Old 12-18-2019, 01:08 PM
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Hillary CLinton deliberately lost the election ...


... so that Trump could be impeached, says a White House source.


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Not from the Onion but from a WH source - "Hillary Clinton purposely lost the election with the aid of Russian hacking so the Democrats could then impeach Trump"
Karem is Senior White House Reporter for Playboy, and overtly anti-Trump, but his Twitter account is serious news reporting.

Do I believe that people at the White House think this? Well, I'd really like to think that a bunch of staffers were sitting in the cafeteria and playing a game of "can you top this?" with conspiracy theories. The reality is that we've heard so much lunacy emerge from people who are willing to say similar nonsense on national television that this mindset can't be dismissed out of hand.

The Trump Cult is as real as Scientology. Some people will hear this and believe it and retweet it and defend it. Trump certainly will.

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.......So Pence could be president?
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Old 12-18-2019, 01:11 PM
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Old 12-18-2019, 01:21 PM
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Karem is Senior White House Reporter for Playboy, and overtly anti-Trump, but his Twitter account is serious news reporting.
Bolding added.

Assumes facts not in evidence.
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Karem is Senior White House Reporter for Playboy, and overtly anti-Trump, but his Twitter account is serious news reporting.

I have to admit that I used to read Playboy, but only for the pictures.

Hillary is too humble to accept the outcome of the popular vote, so she threw it to the electoral college. You have to think smarter if you are going to win at this game, take the long view. Accept the presidency? That's what they were expecting her to do. You have to keep them off balance, keep them guessing.

She has positioned herself perfectly! Now it is really her turn.

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Bolding added.

Assumes facts not in evidence.
I read his Twitter account before I wrote those words. I will bet a million gazillion dollars that you didn't.
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Old 12-18-2019, 02:18 PM
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I read his Twitter account before I wrote those words. I will bet a million gazillion dollars that you didn't.
One needn't eat the entire omelet to know it was made with rotten eggs.
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I believe that nobody in history wanted the presidency more than Hillary. To suggest she would throw an election is completely off the charts. It isn't from left field. It isn't even from across the street from the stadium. It's from a whole different zip code.
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This White House believes that Jared Kushner is the best hope for peace in the Middle East. They will believe literally anything.
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Old 12-18-2019, 04:22 PM
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If Hillary wanted Pence to be President, I would agree with her judgment but that isn't how I would tried to bring it about. Likewise if she thought to get them both out and have it be the Speaker of the House. In 2017 that would have been Paul Ryan. So the timing is problematic.
  • Lose the election.
  • Assume the Dems will take over the House and the Senate in 2018.
  • Impeach Trump in 2019.
  • Impeach Pence quick before he can nominate a VP.
  • Profit!
I'm not Machiavelli, but I think I see some holes in this.

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Old 12-18-2019, 04:50 PM
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One needn't eat the entire omelet to know it was made with rotten eggs.
But you lose some credibility if you aren't on the same continent as the omelet when you make your comment.
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I read his Twitter account before I wrote those words. I will bet a million gazillion dollars that you didn't.
And you'd be wrong. I read your link before I posted, and there was no "there", there.
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I believe that nobody in history wanted the presidency more than Hillary. To suggest she would throw an election is completely off the charts. It isn't from left field. It isn't even from across the street from the stadium. It's from a whole different zip code.
It's not even wrong.
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Old 12-18-2019, 06:07 PM
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Why should she mess with a five-cushion bank shot like impeachment? If Hillary wanted Trump out of the way. . .

She would have ordered her lackeys in the Deep State to investigate him to death, come up with some false charge against him before the election and LOCK HIM UP! The Deep State shouldn't have had any trouble with that, right?

She would have ordered the media to invent a story about Trump so incredibly damning that even his most ardent supporters couldn't ignore it.

She would have transplanted some of those trafficked children from the basement of the pizza parlor in Washington into Trump Tower in New York.

She would have had her buddy Obama deport Melania and force Trump to ransom her back.

She would have had him killed, just like she did with Vince Foster.

All more plausible scenarios than what has actually played out.
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Old 12-18-2019, 06:12 PM
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Hillary lost the election because she did not have an economic message.

The more you talk about SJW stuff, you aren't going to win the election.

If Warren/Sanders/Biden win the nomination, they need to talk about jobs.
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The more you talk about SJW stuff, you aren't going to win the election.
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Greetings. What issues would you describe as "SJW stuff" that are being talked about, and that would hurt election chances. If you'd be so kind, tell me if you support those issues, or oppose them. Telling me why would be extra cool!
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If Hillary wanted Pence to be President, I would agree with her judgment but that isn't how I would tried to bring it about. Likewise if she thought to get them both out and have it be the Speaker of the House. In 2017 that would have been Paul Ryan. So the timing is problematic.
  • Lose the election.
  • Assume the Dems will take over the House and the Senate in 2018.
  • Impeach Trump in 2019.
  • Impeach Pence quick before he can nominate a VP.
  • Profit!
I'm not Machiavelli, but I think I see some holes in this.

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Did you mean to say "If Hilary wanted Pelosi to be President . . ." ? Because otherwise I can't seem to parse this.
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Old 12-18-2019, 06:51 PM
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And you'd be wrong. I read your link before I posted, and there was no "there", there.
As a general rule, your contributions to debates consist of drive-bus, questions, and no added content. I would not raise the issue of “no there, there.”
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Old 12-18-2019, 10:56 PM
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Did you mean to say "If Hilary wanted Pelosi to be President . . ." ? Because otherwise I can't seem to parse this.

I think this entire wacky theory assumes that somehow Hillary becomes president after Pence is impeached (or even after Trump), which is illogical out of the gate.
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Old 12-19-2019, 01:48 AM
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Hillary lost the election by winning the popular vote. What a plan! US politics installs vote losers. What a system! But yes, I'll believe that some GOPs believe in nefarious Hillary. She's so smart! But she outsmarted herself! Yikes!
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It's nice to know that the staffer thinks that Trump is so horrible at his job that this is the only possible way he could have won.

I'm not sure how that is a message that helps Trump, though.
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Old 12-19-2019, 08:57 AM
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Did you mean to say "If Hilary wanted Pelosi to be President . . ." ? Because otherwise I can't seem to parse this.
Paul Ryan was Speaker of the House in 2017 and 2018. Nancy Pelosi didn't become Speaker until 2019. That's why I mentioned the timing.
  • If Trump is impeached and removed from office in 2017 (when he first took office), or in 2018, or 2019, or 2020, Pence becomes President.
  • If Trump and Pence are both impeached and removed in 2017 or 2018, Paul Ryan becomes President.
  • In 2019, if Trump and Pence are both removed from office, before Pence can get a VP approved, then Pelosi becomes President.
So it isn't a very good plan. It assumes that impeachment doesn't happen in 2017 or 2018, that the Dems take over the House in 2018 so impeachment can happen in 2019. The Dems did take over the House, but not the Senate, so the impeachment part isn't going to result in Trump being removed from office. Or Pence, for that matter. Also, since the Dems don't control the Senate, they aren't going to be able to block whoever Pence nominates as VP.

The whole theory is preposterous, but these are a few of the more obvious reasons.

The problem isn't that Hillary threw the election. Pretty much the opposite - she was way too confident that she would win easily.

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Pence doesn't need to get a VP approved. He just names an acting VP. Confirmation hearings are for suckers!
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Just like trump sez, it's obviously all Hillary's fault:

https://washingtonpress.com/2019/12/...E8__YM9jAAEo2Y
Hillary lost in 2016 on purpose so Trump could be impeached, claims White House source


Please note, this is NOT from the Onion.
Not from The Onion, but from the satirical Borowitz Report from 2017.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/boro...ion?verso=true
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Just like trump sez, it's obviously all Hillary's fault:

https://washingtonpress.com/2019/12/...E8__YM9jAAEo2Y
Hillary lost in 2016 on purpose so Trump could be impeached, claims White House source


Please note, this is NOT from the Onion.
Not from The Onion, but from the satirical Borowitz Report from 2017.

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/boro...ion?verso=true
Neither of those links work for me.

But that's the problem with modern satire. No matter what outrages a normal mind can dream up, they are so quickly eclipsed by reality that all are believable.
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I'm not sure how that is a message that helps Trump, though.
Even if this odd claim originated with someone attempting satire, the fact that Trump fans have taken it up shows that it fits in with their beloved article of faith: namely, that Everyone Is Out To Get Trump™.

In their cult, Trump is simultaneously All-Powerful God-Emperor and The Eternal Target and Victim Of Terrible People Who Hate Us.
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In their cult, Trump is simultaneously All-Powerful God-Emperor and The Eternal Target and Victim Of Terrible People Who Hate Us.
But it's their friends who will cut off their Medicare and Social Security.
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How would one lose an election while still getting most of the votes? That seems a level of control that is hard to imagine.
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How would one lose an election while still getting most of the votes? That seems a level of control that is hard to imagine.
It's deepity state stuff.
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But it's their friends who will cut off their Medicare and Social Security.
That's right. But so long as those "friends" keep assuring them they are superior to those Others (dark-skinned or Libruls or Mooslums or what-have-you), they will suck up the loss in their standard of living, and go on singing hymns of praise to their idol.
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