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They'll investigate crimes that happen to the public, sure.

Just not to this particular guy. That's OK. 'cause he's just one guy.

This is logical to some people.
I am sure they investigated. They investigate all shootings. But if the kid refused to be a witness and no witnesses would "snitch", what can they do? I suppose if they recovered the bullet and that gun was used again, maybe they might be able to do something, maybe. He didnt say they didnt investigate just that "He survived, but no arrests were ever made."


What would you suggest they do?

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And he didnt say the police didnt investigate, just that "He survived, but no arrests were ever made."
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I am sure they investigated. They investigate all shootings.
I'm sure they didn't. At all. Perhaps they filed some paperwork. Perhaps not.
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Old 01-07-2020, 06:44 PM
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I'm sure they didn't. At all. Perhaps they filed some paperwork. Perhaps not.
I dont think you are Esprise Me.

But having worked in Law Enforcement for two decades, i can tell you that any shooting is investigated. The hospital has to report it, the police have to take a statement and investigate.
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I dont think you are Esprise Me.

But having worked in Law Enforcement for two decades, i can tell you that any shooting is investigated. The hospital has to report it, the police have to take a statement and investigate.
Paperwork is filed, yes. And then the kid sees that nothing whatsoever is done. Meanwhile, his options are:

- continue to be shot at, by both sides, while "paperwork is done" by the police.
- Join one side, who at least will offer him some form of protection.

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Old 01-07-2020, 08:49 PM
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Yep, I started out a Rush-Limbaugh-listening ditto head, then I met a rather argumentative fellow from Queens in college where we'd stay up late night arguing loudly about politics, an, well, by the end of it, I re-evaluated my philosophy and morals and realized that the left is closer to my personal ethics and moral outlook. It ain't a perfect match for me, but I feel that socially I've always been quite liberal, and economically, I was a bit more center-to-right-of-center. The social liberalism hasn't changed at all in me, but I have moved economically a bit left of center. I'm nowhere near as extreme as my good friend from Queens, but I've remained left of center since about 1994 and, over time, have actually inched more and more to the left. I would describe myself as some kind of blend of liberal and libertarian.
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Prejudice by groups with power against groups without it has widespread consequences; prejudice in the other direction has little.
What about prejudice between minority groups, like the African American couple that recently attacked the Jewish deli? Or the group of blacks that beat up that poor white kid who was mentally handicapped? I wouldn't say the consequences are always small.
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Old 01-07-2020, 10:53 PM
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I was rather conservative for the first three decades of my life: "maintain the status quo", "don't rock the boat", "change tends to be rather risky; better to accept the devil you know instead". I became more progressive after I had kids.
That's interesting. I don't see conservatism as necessarily having to do with preserving the status quo though. I'd say for the past 20-30 years American culture has been pretty liberal and to truly enact conservative values would be "rocking the boat" a LOT.
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Are you saying that you worked as a federal law enforcement agent for 20 years? Arresting people, investigating crimes, etc? What sort of crimes?
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Are you saying that you worked as a federal law enforcement agent for 20 years? Arresting people, investigating crimes, etc? What sort of crimes?
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My take on this, is that in college I was very much influenced by Ayn Rand and philosophic libertarians and anarchists, so became philosophically conservative but more inclined to vote for libertarians rather than social conservatives who I felt required government to interfere in people’s personal lives (regarding sex, abortion, marijuana etc).
How did I become more liberal as I got older? Well I grew up in a center to left upper middle class family, NY and NJ roots, and Jewish, so my parents and uncles/aunts tended to vote Democratic, support social support programs, opposed white nationalists/ultra-rightists; my older sister was in college when I was 11 in 1969 and she was supporting both antiwar protests and kibbutzim in Israel. So, my supporting right wing pols 6 years later while in college was going against the grain! But I saw it more as supporting people’s individual rights and deemphasizing government involvement in their lives, at the time.
Then, I began to view Rand as sort of a false prophet, and espousing some pretty odious positions (including approval of the Native American genocide for example-being Jewish, I couldn’t support anyone supporting murder/torture of anyone especially of an entire people, and she dared justify this as claiming this was in the name of American capitalism and progress!) Also, I realized with more info that anarchists have as much political disagreements ranging from left to right as do most folks with more conventional political opinions. Gradually I felt more comfortable with a position supporting actual people, with support of social liberties but agreeing with the need for laws/government to balance economic extreme inequalities that capitalism produces, plus protect people with medical care/prevent poisoning in food and drugs/prevent excess violence from excess guns-weaponry, etc. I still support some conservative common sense measures like balanced budgets, but can no longer support the warmongering, racist policies, voter suppression, unlimited gun/military grade weapons ownership, deregulation of protective programs, medical care deregulation, with the political chicanery/mendacity and outright criminality that current right wingers and so-called conservatives support.
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I was rather conservative for the first three decades of my life: "maintain the status quo", "don't rock the boat", "change tends to be rather risky; better to accept the devil you know instead". I became more progressive after I had kids.
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That's interesting. I don't see conservatism as necessarily having to do with preserving the status quo though. I'd say for the past 20-30 years American culture has been pretty liberal and to truly enact conservative values would be "rocking the boat" a LOT.
You might have a problem with your terms. The “set the clock back 20, 30, 50 years” mindset is more accurately described as reactionary, not conservative.

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I'm not sure if I will vote GOP in 2020 or not. I don't like the xenophobia of the party, and I do think we need an adequate social safety net, but I don't want socialism or a candidate that is hostile towards Christian values either.
I'm a Christian myself. If you care about Christian values, then I don't see how you can vote GOP.

Sure, back in 2008 or 2012, you could argue they were about Christian values. But, in 2016, the "Religious Right" decided to vote for a man who is the complete antithesis of the values they claim to support.

Trump doesn't even pretend to adhere to Christian values. He is hateful, mean spirited, lacking in humility, shows no love for anyone but himself. He doesn't read his Bible and can't even fake it. (His favorite book is "one Corinthians.") When asked if he had asked Jesus to forgive his sins, he flat out said that he'd never done anything that needed forgiveness! He is the ultimate self worshiper.

And that's without getting into his caging children, his desire to lock up anyone who says anything bad about him, his two divorces (the Bible says God HATES divorce). The problem with discussing him is just the sheer amount of sin he so openly commits.

Sure, he's not the only Republican. But all the other Republicans support him. They want to enable him. They make excuses for him.

I also note that the "socialism" that the Democrats support is on the level of the social safety net you support. Bernie Sanders is the openly "socialist" candidate, and he doesn't support communism or destroying capitalism. He just supports things to help out poor people. You know, something Jesus himself said was of utmost importance. "Whatsoever you do to the least of these, you also do to me."

I'm glad you found Jesus. But you've been misled to believe this means you have to be a Republican. You are completely mixed up on what Democrats actually believe.

I invite you to read this pastor's website. Even the most recent article is about what Christians are supposed to believe, and how other so-called "Christians" don't care.

Oh, and, if you don't want to see bad things happen to women who have had abortions, why do you support pro-life? That would mean sending these women to jail. They would have committed a crime.
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Old 01-08-2020, 07:17 AM
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My own story is that I've been a Christian all my life, and was originally a Republican and, I thought, a conservative. But the more I read the Bible and the more I saw what conservatism really was about, the more I realized that they were incompatible.

It is liberalism, not conservatism, that cares about the poor, the oppressed. It is liberals who push people to get psychological help. It is liberalism that puts others ahead of self--compare the conservative "we hate taxes" to the liberal "we should tax people to help the poor." The conservative idea is selfish about keeping your own money.

I also realized that abortion is not mentioned in the Bible. For all the importance people put on it, neither Jesus nor Paul, let alone any other disciples, thought it was important. Moses didn't write anything down about it. The closest is actually a Scripture where God says to give a rape victim some herbs that will make her belly swell and her "thigh" fall off, which sure sounds like causing a miscarriage--you know, abortion. But, even if that doesn't count, then the Bible doesn't say anything at all.

Is liberalism perfect? No. Are there liberal atheists? Sure. But a whole lot of them act more Christian than the so-called Christians I encounter. They're out there helping others, trying to right wrongs. It isn't the liberals who preach that "greed is good"--that's Ayn Rand, who financial conservatives adore.

Plus, well, God is against racism and bigotry. God is against sexism and xenophobia. Galatians 3:28 says "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

Republicans had only the appearance of supporting Christianity. They were the white-washed walls. But, now that Trump came along, we see what they really wanted. All of those supposed Christians swearing fealty to him. Fortunately, God opened my eyes before Trump came in, but he is the proof to any who thought that Christian values were really aligned with the right.

As I've deepened my walk with God, I have only become more liberal over time. Because Jesus was a liberal. He was a progressive. He was all about overthrowing the systems of the day. What he preached about "blessed are the poor" is exactly what liberals say today.

Maybe some form of conservatism might be compatible with Christianity. But the kind that exists in this country very much isn't. And, until it aligns with what Jesus teaches, I remain liberal.
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I think some changing political stances are due to growing information and awareness. I'll use myself and my feelings about school vouchers as an example.

I've always had a vague interest in public policy, but little concern about the details. I didn't even read newspapers. I was a very avid reader but ... So Many Books, So Little Time. Barclay Cooke has a new book on Backgammon! — That's where my limited book-buying budget went. Textbooks on signal processing, coding theory, SCSI or SMD Specs — Who even has time for reading science fiction or spy novels?

I'm sure many many Americans are like I was. We're not devoid of interest or aptitude for political thought, but life has other priorities.

I thought school vouchers were a great idea. Why should folks with their kids in private schools pay for the schools they're not using? Shouldn't there be choice? Won't competition improve all schools, both private and public? School vouchers appealed to my libertarian instincts. What's not to like? Many liberals support vouchers; and I'm sure some voucher programs are operated properly; I would approve of them. Even some Republicans are quite sincere in their efforts to improve all schools, public and private.

But today the correct answer to the general question "School vouchers?" has to be No, No, No! if one is well-informed. The right-wing agenda is to strangle the schools where underclass children are schooled, to subsidize the WASP upper-middle class and to abet religious indoctrination. Betsy DeVos and her ilk have no interest in education (unless it's to inculcate children with right-wing dogma); Betsy's goal is to enrich her donors, many of whom operate fraudulent schools.

So, to summarize this example: A poorly informed voter with progressive values might vote R when they learn R's support vouchers and D's don't. Informed voters, not so much.

The more American voters learn, the more likely they are to vote D.
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I was raised a "Moderate Republican" which, it would seem, is an extinct species. I have been driven left by the appalling state of the Republican party as it stands today.
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It is liberalism that puts others ahead of self--compare the conservative "we hate taxes" to the liberal "we should tax people to help the poor." The conservative idea is selfish about keeping your own money.
I've always been suspicious about claims like these that paint one side as entirely Good Guys and the other side as entirely Bad Guys.

There are conservatives who are unselfish and generous and care about the poor. They just believe that private organizations and individuals should be the ones helping them.

And now I'm going to resist writing a long explanation of why this view (previous paragraph) makes a certain amount of sense, BUT ALSO why it appeals to and is advanced by people who really are selfish and just want to keep as much of their money as possible.

I never listened to Rush Limbaugh, but years ago when his two books hit the discount bins I bought and read them and found them stimulating to dialogue/argue with. I don't remember many details, but I do remember thinking that some of the things that Rush said were reasonable points, but (1) very one-sided, and (2) the kind of argument that an insincere greedy person would advance, too.
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There are conservatives who are unselfish and generous and care about the poor.
There are, they just don't have a political party anymore. And they may even refrain from identifying as conservative so as not to be confused with the party of Trump.
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I also realized that abortion is not mentioned in the Bible.
A great many things aren't mentioned in the Bible, due to technology and historical era. Internet hacking, trolling, female genital mutilation, pornography, etc. I don't think that means Christians can't have a religiously rooted view on those issues.
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The closest is actually a Scripture where God says to give a rape victim some herbs that will make her belly swell and her "thigh" fall off, which sure sounds like causing a miscarriage--you know, abortion.
Uh, that's not what it says. It isn't about a rape victim, it is about a woman who is suspected to be having an extramarital affair. And it's not herbs, it's dust from the floor.

At any rate, I won't hijack the thread further.
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Isn't there an old maxim around, to the effect that if you're not liberal when you're young and conservative when you're middle aged, then there's something wrong with you?

(Anybody know of an origin or any cites for this?)
remember the quote that someone is liberal until they get mugged?
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15 years ago, I definitely would have been a Trump supporter. No doubt about it.
Interesting. How were you different 15 years ago than you are now? What would have appealed to you then that doesn't now?
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I grew up in the 40s and absorbed the basic ideas of social democracy. I do not believe my parents ever voted for a Republican and neither did I. Of course, it would be inconceivable for me to do so at this juncture. The anti-science, white supremacist party that lies constantly. The one issue that I have moved on is labor unions. I used to be opposed to them for two reasons. My father spent some effort to avoid having to join one; and there were some famously corrupt ones. Eventually I came to realize that the only thing worse than having labor unions is not having them. The fact that they have mostly disappeared is surely the reason for the wage stagnation we see. With that one exception, my political views have not changed in 70 years, although the political spectrum has and leaves me further to the left.
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I'm still to the right of center but have become more liberal on fiscal issues as I've gotten older. The Affordable Care Act is helping people and was the right thing to do.

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Interesting how many people in this thread have gotten more liberal with age, contrary to the old adage mentioned early on.
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Interesting how many people in this thread have gotten more liberal with age, contrary to the old adage mentioned early on.
In the late eighties I read someone (Gloria Steinem?) suggesting that the opposite phenomenon works with a lot of women: as they grow older, they become more radicalized and move much further to the left.

I wonder if that quote's relevance is confined to upper-class white dudes and intersects with their experience of personal power. As young adolescents they knew they were groomed for power that they didn't yet have, so they chafed under restrictions and wanted to upend the system. As they grew older and grew into the power that was their birthright, they became more comfortable with, and supportive of, the system.
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Interesting how many people in this thread have gotten more liberal with age, contrary to the old adage mentioned early on.
Yeah, that old cliche never held true. It’s just something people say to feel better about themselves.
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I used to be more conservative. The Reagan years and then the creeping insanity of the Republican party starting in the 90's moved me leftward. I'm a septuagenarian. I estimate I used to vote GOP 25% of the time. Now I'm a yellow dog Democrat.

I'm still somewhat of a fiscal conservative. For example, I'd like to see the bloated defense budget cut about 50%.

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My local Democratic committee is made up mostly of retired people and lawyers. We're a 'burb of NYC and most people who commute in are just not available to work for the committee. I didn't for years until I retired. We "elderly" tend to be mostly Sanders and Warren supporters.

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A lot of the reasons I was a liberal in the past had to do with my own selfishness and indulgence.
Are you now opposed to progressive taxation, then?
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remember the quote that someone is liberal until they get mugged?
Have been mugged. More liberal 30 years later. Also less muggings overall. I live in a city. I walk around and see who's living on the street.
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Very conservative in the 1990s, now the complete opposite. It was all the lying that got to me - even in the 1990s, the GOP was a cesspool of lies, justifications, and rationalizations, which really exploded with the 2000 election crisis when they went all in on gaslighting... and, frankly, have never let up on the deceit.
Very similar to me, JT.

I was never a religious conservative but I was a Wall St/libertardian conservative throughout most of the 90s and like most Southerners, I was a "lock 'em up and throw away the key" conservative when it came to crime.

Over time, it just became obvious to me that conservatives were full of shit.
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remember the quote that someone is liberal until they get mugged?
I'll confess: after being a victim of crime in the 1990s (in my 20s), I went through a period when I dabbled with right wing kook politics. Regularly listened to Mike Reagan and G Gordon Liddy.

I grew out of it. Violent crime has origins that predate the crime (mugging) by years. If we want to reduce violent crime, treat people like humans. They're more likely to behave humanely when they're treated well by their fellow man.
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Have been mugged. More liberal 30 years later. Also less muggings overall. I live in a city. I walk around and see who's living on the street.
Yeah, that liberal who's been mugged trope is another one of those clichés that doesn't hold up. People who live in cities tend to be more liberal because we live in closer proximity to one another and realize that it is in our own interests for everyone to try and get along with one another.
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Interesting how many people in this thread have gotten more liberal with age, contrary to the old adage mentioned early on.
Biased sample. In post-rational America political alignment correlates with information and intellectual skill. Most Trumpist oldtimers couldn't set up an account at SDMB by themselves if their lives depended on it.
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I’m still right of center on many issues and either liberal or dontcareian on most social issues. That hasn’t changed. Instead of mostly voting republican I now really hate both parties. I guess that’s an improvement.
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Plus, well, God is against racism and bigotry.
Well, except for the Amelekites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. Fuck those guys.

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Interesting how many people in this thread have gotten more liberal with age, contrary to the old adage mentioned early on.
It strikes me that that adage was constructed by an old conservative who always lived in an environment of economic and social privilege. It really only rings true plausible when applied exclusively to the privileged class.
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Well, except for the Amelekites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. Fuck those guys.
At least there was that one good Samaritan. The rest? Yuck.
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It strikes me that that adage was constructed by an old conservative who always lived in an environment of economic and social privilege. It really only rings true plausible when applied exclusively to the privileged class.
And the only time I hear anyone use that phrase is when someone is calling them out for their bigotry/selfishness and they tout it as if it's a force of nature, not a choice they made.
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At least there was that one good Samaritan. The rest? Yuck.
Ever see the Mitchell & Webb sketch that plays a bit on this theme?
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In what way was he as bad as AOC?
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I don't know that much about him.

In what way was he as bad as AOC?
What on Earth is your beef with AOC? She's a brand new rep, in her late 20s, with lots of talent, compassion, and energy. She's exciting lots of young folks. She's very liberal, in a very liberal district. She matches well with the views of her district. Her talent and views remind me of what I've read about Obama in his 20s -- very liberal, very energetic, very talented, and very ambitious. A couple of decades brought lots of wisdom and savvy for Barack Obama... but AOC is starting in national politics even earlier, and has a great chance to gain that wisdom and savvy even quicker than Obama did.

She's not a candidate for governor, or Senator, or VP, or President. She just a very young representative; a very progressive one, in a very progressive district. Why are you so worried about her?

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I don't know that much about him.

In what way was he as bad as AOC?
AOC isnt bad. She does put her foot in her mouth every now and then.

George was as liberal then as AOC is now.
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What on Earth is your beef with AOC?
I think she is bad for the party over the long run.

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She's a brand new rep, in her late 20s, with lots of talent, compassion, and energy.
Being young is no excuse for being so embarrassingly ignorant.

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She's exciting lots of young folks.
So is Trump. The tea party excited a lot of people too.

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She's very liberal, in a very liberal district. She matches well with the views of her district.
I grew up in her district. What do you know about the people in her district?

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Her talent and views remind me of what I've read about Obama in his 20s -- very liberal, very energetic, very talented, and very ambitious. A couple of decades brought lots of wisdom and savvy for Barack Obama... but AOC is starting in national politics even earlier, and has a great chance to gain that wisdom and savvy even quicker than Obama did.
I thought this might be true when she was first elected as well. But after her time in congress so far, comparing her to Obama is a LOT of wishful thinking.

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She's not a candidate for governor, or Senator, or VP, or President. She just a very young representative; a very progressive one, in a very progressive district. Why are you so worried about her?
You just compared her to Obama.

I am worried about her for the same reason Republicans SHOULD have been worried about the tea party. And now look where they are.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope you're right. But nothing she has done since taking office makes me think so.
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Interesting. How were you different 15 years ago than you are now? What would have appealed to you then that doesn't now?
I grew up in a right wing Republican family who voted Republican strictly and explicitly (to this day) because they dislike black people. It was all I ever knew. And then I married a non-white woman and realized what a piece of shit I had been.

There was other stuff as well, but I had something of an epiphany in my 20s. It wasn't overnight.

Explaining to my kids that they should love their grandmother despite her overt racism is not an easy discussion.
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I think she is bad for the party over the long run.







Being young is no excuse for being so embarrassingly ignorant.







So is Trump. The tea party excited a lot of people too.







I grew up in her district. What do you know about the people in her district?







I thought this might be true when she was first elected as well. But after her time in congress so far, comparing her to Obama is a LOT of wishful thinking.







You just compared her to Obama.



I am worried about her for the same reason Republicans SHOULD have been worried about the tea party. And now look where they are.



I hope I'm wrong. I hope you're right. But nothing she has done since taking office makes me think so.
Obama in his 20s was a relative nobody. His views then, from what I've read, were far to the left of how he governed as president.

And you haven't offered any "embarrassing ignorance" from AOC.

Energized, excited young progressives who care about doing good are hugely valuable to the party. If the party boots folks like AOC, it loses tons of young progressives - the whole next generation of the party. We have room for progressives like her, and we're far better off with her on the team than outside.

She's been in congress for less than a single term. It's crazy to make the kind of conclusions you've made about her so quickly. She's barely 30! In ten years she'll be ten years smarter.

What you advocate sounds like a path to a dead party. I want progressives in progressive districts. And I want moderates in moderate districts. I want a big and diverse party.
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I made a different shift: I moved from having a Big Theory ideology to having a pragmatic one.

When I was a teenager I was a Libertarian. I had a Theory on how politics, economics, and society as a whole should work. It's truly the Marxism of the Right, as Ayn Rand said, which is one of the few things I agree with Rand on.

There was nothing I couldn't answer and no problem I couldn't solve.

It took me a little while to figure out that was a bad thing.

These days, I'm a fairly progressive Liberal and much more interested in policies which have a positive impact on the world than ones which are in line with a Theory. I know some problems can't be solved quickly, and that there's no such thing as one ideology with all the answers.

I shifted from the Right to the Left with that, but not so far Left as to fall into the trap of Marxism, another Big Theory.
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