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Old 10-01-2019, 12:42 AM
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Yeah, you might want to have a little talk with your kid. This claptrap comes from politigram.circlejerk, a politigram satire site run by two American anarchists. It's not left-wing or even uber-left-wing; it'a anarchist crap, the particular kind of crap some uber-right-wingers believe in. Maybe if you want to run something left-wing by liberals here, you should find something that's truly representative of the left-wing.
I’ve long believed in a “political donut”, where the farther left you go, the more you resemble those going the farthest right, and vice versa. They all start believing in anarchy, conspiracy theories, misanthropy, and so on.
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That's awesome. Good for that guy.

Wonder why he didn't just turn a blind eye and say "Not my problem"?
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Could it beee...that a pregnant woman was sobbing and telling him she was being held against her will? Nah, that couldn’t be it.

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I’ve long believed in a “political donut”, where the farther left you go, the more you resemble those going the farthest right, and vice versa. They all start believing in anarchy, conspiracy theories, misanthropy, and so on.
If you are trying to make a case that being in the middle is the right way to go, let us not forget what is in the middle of a donut.
Nothing.
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Old 10-01-2019, 09:48 AM
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If you are trying to make a case that being in the middle is the right way to go, let us not forget what is in the middle of a donut.
Nothing.
No way man, glazed donut holes are delicious.
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Old 10-01-2019, 10:23 AM
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Could it beee...that a pregnant woman was sobbing and telling him she was being held against her will? Nah, that couldn’t be it.

Well, as long as human trafficking victims aren't pregnant and crying, I guess everything is kosher!

I wouldn't let a little thing like "transporting eastern european women from a strip club to a hotel is a clear marker for human trafficking" get in the way of "Not pregnant and crying - not my problem!"

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Well, as long as human trafficking victims aren't pregnant and crying, I guess everything is kosher!

I wouldn't let a little thing like "transporting eastern european women from a strip club to a hotel is a clear marker for human trafficking" get in the way of "Not pregnant and crying - not my problem!"


Then why don’t you go down to the nearest strip club in your area and do something about it? I’m not in any special position. If I am wrong not to intervene, then so are you, and so is everyone here who lives in or near a city that has a strip club.

In fact, you are in a much better position. If I refuse to take someone to a destination they have paid to go to, I could lose my job. What’s your excuse?

ETA: Chingon is just trolling now. I took them seriously that they might actually think I was pro Trump and posted extensive evidence to the contrary; but after doing so they continue to spew nonsense so it is not sincere.

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It should surprise no-one that Slack doesn't actually know his own heroes.

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Slackerinc is a fair weather liberal. When he looks at places where the fight for social progress has been won, and public support is on the side of the oppressed, he will happily crow about how progressive and accepting he is. But talk about an area where there's still work to do, and he changes his tune: "oh no, we can't piss off all the racists and Islamophobes! Look guys, I wpuld personally LOVE not to shit on them but if I did that Trump would win, so let's just do what Trump wants, alright?"

He's not a real liberal -- just a conservative who's too chickenshit to actually say something. Maybe he doesn't want to turn the clock of social progress back to the 1950s but he's just fine here at 2020 where a straight white man's role in the world hasn't taken too much of a hit and where he can keep feeling "paternalistically" better than other races.

In short, he is a smarmy little shitstain who isn't worth engaging with, beyond pointing out to anyone he talks to that he doesn't actually represent liberal thought.
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Slackerinc is a fair weather liberal. When he looks at places where the fight for social progress has been won, and public support is on the side of the oppressed, he will happily crow about how progressive and accepting he is.
Yeah, I call this the Victor's Morality. Today these are people who approve of same-sex marriage but think trans rights are just social just warrioring. Ten years ago they were glad those anti-gay laws had been stricken from the books, but thought same-sex-marriage was absurd and people needed to stop arguing for it. Fifty years ago they weren't racists, because they supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but thought agitating for schools to integrate too quickly would just lead to trouble. A hundred years ago they were glad slavery was over, but chastised people who fought to end Jim Crow.

It's an incredibly convenient take on things: they're on the right side of every historical struggle and on the wrong side of every current one.
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Maybe he doesn't want to turn the clock of social progress back to the 1950s
No, you're right, he doesn't.


More like the 1850s.


He's really racist, is what I'm saying.
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I find myself agreeing with some of Slack's posts from time to time, but I feel like taking a shower every time I do. I have to remind myself of his nonchalant racism and how he tries to sanitize these thoughts by espousing progressive ideals.
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I find myself agreeing with some of Slack's posts from time to time, but I feel like taking a shower every time I do. {...}
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Yeah, I call this the Victor's Morality. Today these are people who approve of same-sex marriage but think trans rights are just social just warrioring. Ten years ago they were glad those anti-gay laws had been stricken from the books, but thought same-sex-marriage was absurd and people needed to stop arguing for it. Fifty years ago they weren't racists, because they supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but thought agitating for schools to integrate too quickly would just lead to trouble. A hundred years ago they were glad slavery was over, but chastised people who fought to end Jim Crow.

It's an incredibly convenient take on things: they're on the right side of every historical struggle and on the wrong side of every current one.
Exactly. Maybe those people aren't quite as bad as the ones marching in the streets with torches demanding we actively go back and take these rights away again, but if we sat around waiting for them to approve, we'd still have slavery in this country. And if they got off their assets, maybe we would actually solve some of the problems this country has.
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These are the people King called the "white moderates" and they certainly are a problem, but that doesn't begin to scratch the surface of Slacker's pathology. He has to be the only one who sees The Truth, he has to be The Smartest in the Room. He's like a vampire: he wants others to suffer so that he can feel smug about it, so that he can get off on his weird condescending pity. He LIKES being Lord Farquad, "Many of you will have to die, but that's a sacrifice I am willing to make", as he wipes away a tear. He thinks that willingness makes him more admirable.
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I can't square what you guys are saying with the fact that he is racist and sexist. He's sure that the white race is under attack and is concerned if a girl is shown as beating a guy at sports. Those aren't staying with the current level of liberalism or progressivism. Those are about dragging us back.
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I can't square what you guys are saying with the fact that he is racist and sexist. He's sure that the white race is under attack and is concerned if a girl is shown as beating a guy at sports. Those aren't staying with the current level of liberalism or progressivism. Those are about dragging us back.

Cite for either of these claims? I don't remember every single thing I have ever posted, but just knowing my own mind, this strikes me as distorted/misleading at best.


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These are the people King called the "white moderates" and they certainly are a problem, but that doesn't begin to scratch the surface of Slacker's pathology. He has to be the only one who sees The Truth, he has to be The Smartest in the Room. He's like a vampire: he wants others to suffer so that he can feel smug about it, so that he can get off on his weird condescending pity. He LIKES being Lord Farquad, "Many of you will have to die, but that's a sacrifice I am willing to make", as he wipes away a tear. He thinks that willingness makes him more admirable.

It obviously killed you that I was the only one defending you in that COVID-19 social distancing thread (and now in a wild whipsawing effect, I'm taking fire in a current thread where my moderate position, which has been consistent throughout, is being seen as too stringent concerning distancing and social opprobrium toward those who blow it off).
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Fucking idiot.
I am absolutely not here to defend Slacker, nor do I need to join the pile-on as you guys are doing just fine without my help. But I do want to set the record straight on the matter of Bill Maher, with apologies for the digression.

When I saw the "libertarian" quote from Rolling Stone, my immediate thought was that the article must be very old, as indeed it is -- from 1999. US politics has changed a lot since then, and even then, Maher was pining for old-style traditional conservatism of years ago. Since then he's become much less coy about his increasing liberalism, famously donating $1 million to the Obama campaign. Like everyone else, Maher is allowed to shift his political position, especially as mainstream politics itself shifts some of its basic tenets. At some point during the Obama administration, when Obama proved to be basically a centrist and Republicans turned into unprincipled obstructionists, Maher stated that "the Democratic party has moved to the right, and Republicans have moved into the lunatic asylum". This was before anyone could seriously believe that one Donald J. Trump could actually become president of the USA, so it was actually quite prescient. Since then Maher has openly been a staunch liberal, though one with a couple of quirky beliefs.
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Interesting that the Rolling Stone cite is from the last millennium. How about jumping forward twenty years, to Bill Maher in Rolling Stone in 2019?

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On HBO’s Real Time With Bill Maher on Friday night, the host talked about socialism in a way that most of the media refuses to. Maher connected his explainer of sorts with the United Nations’ latest annual World Happiness rankings and asked, “If socialism is such a one-way ticket to becoming the nightmare of Venezuela, then why do all the happiest countries in the world embrace it?”

To be fair (even though the other side here would never extend me the same courtesy--but I'm magnanimous like that), Maher has been acting more libertarian lately as regarding the coronavirus lockdowns. He has not quite gone full Elon Musk, but his rhetoric has verged more in that direction than I'd personally endorse. And it's striking, because there is so little in general I disagree with Bill about (the only other subject that comes to mind is his Grinchlike attitude toward children and parenting).
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When I saw the "libertarian" quote from Rolling Stone, my immediate thought was that the article must be very old, as indeed it is -- from 1999. US politics has changed a lot since then, and even then, Maher was pining for old-style traditional conservatism of years ago. Since then he's become much less coy about his increasing liberalism, famously donating $1 million to the Obama campaign. Like everyone else, Maher is allowed to shift his political position, especially as mainstream politics itself shifts some of its basic tenets. At some point during the Obama administration, when Obama proved to be basically a centrist and Republicans turned into unprincipled obstructionists, Maher stated that "the Democratic party has moved to the right, and Republicans have moved into the lunatic asylum". This was before anyone could seriously believe that one Donald J. Trump could actually become president of the USA, so it was actually quite prescient. Since then Maher has openly been a staunch liberal, though one with a couple of quirky beliefs.
So, I don't see anything there that disagrees with what I actually said. Bill Maher said "I am a libertarian". On the record. Which is what I said. When he said it is irrelevant.

What I have not been able to find, is a quote from Maher that is him saying "I am a liberal, not a libertarian" or any words to that effect. Closest I could find is that "9/11 liberal" islamophobe schtick (which is why SlackInIQ luuurves him, no doubt)

Conclusion - by his own words, Maher is still a libertarian, not a liberal.

Yes, political opinions change over time. If Maher's have, give me that money quote.

And no, him having nice words for social democracies is not it.

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(even though the other side here would never extend me the same courtesy--but I'm magnanimous like that).
Your magnanimity is only exceeded by your modesty.
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Yes, political opinions change over time. If Maher's have, give me that money quote.
Vanity Fair, July 2018: Bill Maher “I am a liberal”.

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” As the comedian put it, “I don’t really have a tribe. I certainly consider myself a liberal, but I’m not afraid to criticize the liberals when they’re wrong—and in that, I’m fairly unique.” - Paragraph 9.
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Vanity Fair, July 2018: Bill Maher “I am a liberal”.

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” As the comedian put it, “I don’t really have a tribe. I certainly consider myself a liberal, but I’m not afraid to criticize the liberals when they’re wrong—and in that, I’m fairly unique.” - Paragraph 9.
That works for me, thanks.
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I think Bill Maher is a jackass, but he's the kind of jackass that would probably be just a relatively normal, smart and funny guy if he weren't famous and super-successful. His success has driven his ego to override his intelligence on many issues, IMO. This explains why he's a nut on so many health issues ('I'm healthy because of these great decisions I make about eating and exercise -- if only everyone else was a great as I was at these decisions, everyone would be healthy and no one would get sick'), and why he's nuttily sympathetic to other total assholes who are criticized by liberals ('I'm sometimes criticized by those dumb liberals, and so is Milo Yiannopolous (and Charles Murray), so it must be something about those dumb liberals and not me 'cause I'm great, and thus Milo (and Charles) must be okay too, so I'm going to have him on my show and ask him incredibly easy and gentle sympathetic questions and ignore his extreme hatefulness'), and it probably explains most of his other flaws (which are substantial).

I used to be a big fan, because he is (or used to be) smart and funny. Unfortunately, his assholery has grown so much that it overwhelms the smart and funny parts of his show.

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I think Bill Maher is a jackass, but he's the kind of jackass that would probably be just a relatively normal, smart and funny guy if he weren't famous and super-successful. His success has driven his ego to override his intelligence on many issues, IMO.

Unfortunately, his assholery has grown so much that it overwhelms the smart and funny parts of his show.
My understanding, such as it is, is that he has always been a bit of an egotistic asshole. Long before he had a TV show and was just a stand-up comedian, I remember a story from another comedian that either was MCing or coming on before him about how pompous Maher acted off stage. He quizzed the person on what type of material they had and warned them not to do anything political, because he was a "political comedian." The implication being that said person better not step on his toes.

Becoming rich and famous certainly seems to have stroked his ego, but by reputation he has never been a humble, self-effacing guy.
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Your magnanimity is only exceeded by your modesty.

I see no need for false modesty. My fairness, my willingness to give a hearing to even the most unpopular ideas (and, by the same token, to look skeptically at the most popular ones), my willingness to "steelman" my opponents' arguments and preemptively grant them points even when it might undercut mine, is my best attribute--even if it tends to incite outrage--and I'm not shy about saying so.
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I've found that people worthy of praise don't advertise it. It's always the ones whose own impressions of themselves don't match reality.

But don't mind me, please go back to telling us how special you are.
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Everybody else: Ok, asshole, you do you.

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I see no need for false modesty. My fairness, my willingness to give a hearing to even the most unpopular ideas (and, by the same token, to look skeptically at the most popular ones), my willingness to "steelman" my opponents' arguments and preemptively grant them points even when it might undercut mine, is my best attribute--even if it tends to incite outrage--and I'm not shy about saying so.
That's the kind of quality self-knowledge you can only really get smoking dodgy hash with the youth, folks.

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But don't mind me, please go back to telling us how special you are.
Be sure to ask for a video of a piece of paper with a high test score on it! When really smart people want to prove how smart they are, that's what they do -- record a video of a piece of paper! Definitely a sign of self-confidence and high intelligence!
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Andy, I do sincerely wish your book sucked so I could trash it and get back at you. But I'm too damned honest for my own good, and thus I'm forced to acknowledge that it's a good read. Damn you.
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Andy, I do sincerely wish your book sucked so I could trash it and get back at you. But I'm too damned honest for my own good, and thus I'm forced to acknowledge that it's a good read. Damn you.
You must admit that your video IQ test paper thing was pretty silly, right? And I think you realize to some extent that your racist views are wrong - you nearly admitted as much when you said (IIRC) that you'd purposefully avoided passing down these racist views to your kids.

So I think there's still hope for you. Maybe some magic combination of gentle mockery, harsh criticism, and reasoned refutation will get you there.

And thanks, as always, for the kind words about my book.
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I see no need for false modesty. My fairness, my willingness to give a hearing to even the most unpopular ideas (and, by the same token, to look skeptically at the most popular ones), my willingness to "steelman" my opponents' arguments and preemptively grant them points even when it might undercut mine, is my best attribute--even if it tends to incite outrage--and I'm not shy about saying so.
What are three other things we don't know about you?
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You must admit that your video IQ test paper thing was pretty silly, right?

No, but then it wasn't an "IQ test paper thing". It was an official score report from the October 2017 ACT.


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And I think you realize to some extent that your racist views are wrong - you nearly admitted as much when you said (IIRC) that you'd purposefully avoided passing down these racist views to your kids.

Cite? That doesn't sound right.


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1. When I was about four, I got separated from my parents at the zoo. I knew the general rule of thumb was to just stay put and let them find me, but I reasoned that if I ran around the zoo really fast, I'd speed up the process of our running into each other, and the fact that I was running and they were presumably walking would keep it from being the kind of thing where we are always on opposite ends of the grounds. It worked! Not sure if it's good advice for kids though.

2. There's a decent chance I saw Jenna Fischer (Pam from The Office) naked (consensually) when she was in her early twenties. Not sure but very possible.

3. I only stole anything once in my life: a silver dollar from an art class I took when I was eight. I felt super guilty about it for years before I finally realized my parents had paid them some significantly larger sum to enroll me in the class and it really wasn't that big a deal.
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That's all you can come up with? You need some fresher material, my dude!
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No, but then it wasn't an "IQ test paper thing". It was an official score report from the October 2017 ACT.
That doesn't make it any less silly. In fact, maybe it's more so - aren't you way too old to be taking the ACT? You're certainly way too old to believe anyone would see such a stunt as anything but ridiculous.

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Cite? That doesn't sound right.
I'll look for it when I'm able. In the meantime, you could answer this question right now: Have you taught your children that black people are inherently lesser in intelligence, on average, due to their genetics? If not, why not?
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That's all you can come up with? You need some fresher material, my dude!
I wonder if Slacker sees the irony in this response.
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I wonder if Slacker sees the irony in this response.
With his head so far up his own ass, it's a wonder he can post at all.
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If everyone would just refuse to engage him in this thread, it would be more fun.
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I wonder if Slacker sees the irony in this response.
I'm sure he's incapable of it. His utter lack of self-awareness is one of his defining characteristics.
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If everyone would just refuse to engage him in this thread, it would be more fun.

It's worth a shot! I'm good either way.


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That doesn't make it any less silly. In fact, maybe it's more so - aren't you way too old to be taking the ACT? You're certainly way too old to believe anyone would see such a stunt as anything but ridiculous.

There is no age limit to take the ACT, and I did so to establish a credential as a tutor.

If you want to call it a "ridiculous stunt", you should be honest about it and present the context of the back-and-forth and how it got to there. I didn't just suddenly say out of the blue "hey, guess what, everybody: I got a 35 on the ACT!" That would be ridiculous.


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I'll look for it when I'm able. In the meantime, you could answer this question right now: Have you taught your children that black people are inherently lesser in intelligence, on average, due to their genetics? If not, why not?

My eldest son and I have talked about it. I have never gotten into discussions of that or any aspect of politics or public policy with my other kids. My son probably thinks that's the least of my political failings: he's a hardcore Bernie Bro who says I'm a "neolib", that Hillary Clinton is a warmonger and the DNC is corrupt, etc. You know the drill: we always seem to have a few of those types around here.

But we bond over cinema, premium TV, and the NFL, so it's all good.


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I wonder if Slacker sees the irony in this response.

I was just going to ignore this, but on second thought: Cite? I'm calling others out for glib, repetitive one-liners. What's your evidence that I'm guilty of this kind of low-effort rhetoric?
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I'm sure he's incapable of it. His utter lack of self-awareness is one of his defining characteristics.
In a shocking development, he was indeed incapable.
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