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Yeah, I was trying to get at the possibility that one of them didn't know of the fame of the other because they were in a coma, or infants, or something like that.

Were the children famous collectively?
Did the children know of each others' fame?
By "famous", we mean that there was a significant number of people who knew of the father, and a significant number of people who knew of the children, right? Was there significant overlap between those two sets of people? (as opposed, say, to one being famous in one country, the other being famous in another, and very few knowing of both)
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Oh, also:

Are these people well-known fictional characters?
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Were the children famous before Roy was famous? No is the answer most people would give, though in another way yes.

Were the children triplets? No

Did the children become famous after they and Roy were living in different countries? Yes
Did Roy become famous after they separated? Yes

How old were the children when they became famous? Infancy? No School age? Yes Adult? No, though in another way yes.

and to clarify a response to you earlier, the children were actually Roy's, not adopted by Roy. But after they were separated the children were adopted by someone else.
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Yeah, I was trying to get at the possibility that one of them didn't know of the fame of the other because they were in a coma, or infants, or something like that. No to comas or infancy

Were the children famous collectively? Yes
Did the children know of each others' fame? No, but then later yes
By "famous", we mean that there was a significant number of people who knew of the father, and a significant number of people who knew of the children, right? Yes Was there significant overlap between those two sets of people? (as opposed, say, to one being famous in one country, the other being famous in another, and very few knowing of both) Yes, much overlap.
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Oh, also:

Are these people well-known fictional characters?
Yes
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You keep on answering ambiguously about when they were famous. Is this because...

...of a disparity between when they were famous to other denizens of their fictional world, compared to when they were famous in our world?
...of a difference in time between when their fictional work was set, vs. the time when it was known in our world?
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You keep on answering ambiguously about when they were famous. Is this because...

...of a disparity between when they were famous to other denizens of their fictional world, compared to when they were famous in our world? Yes
...of a difference in time between when their fictional work was set, vs. the time when it was known in our world? No
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The children were fictional characters known to us because of fictional works they were in. They then entered the entertainment industry in their fictional world, and their characters were now styled as famous in their world.

Roy was also a fictional character, the parent of these children, but is not famous to us for the same works of fiction as his children. He has his own works of fiction where we recognize him from.
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The children were fictional characters known to us because of fictional works they were in. They then entered the entertainment industry in their fictional world, and their characters were now styled as famous in their world.

Roy was also a fictional character, the parent of these children, but is not famous to us for the same works of fiction as his children. He has his own works of fiction where we recognize him from.
Yes
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Were the kids in a band? Did they solve mysteries?
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Were the kids in a band? Did they solve mysteries?
No.
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Were the characters supposed to be the same, but later retconned as being parent and children (as in Black Canary becoming at some point the daughter of the original Black Canary)?

Were the characters written as completely unrelated until there was a retcon making one the parent of the others (as in Magneto happening to be Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's father)?

Is there a retcon of any kind involved?
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Was Roy a superhero?

Were at least some of the children superheros?
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Were the characters supposed to be the same, but later retconned as being parent and children (as in Black Canary becoming at some point the daughter of the original Black Canary)? No

Were the characters written as completely unrelated until there was a retcon making one the parent of the others (as in Magneto happening to be Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch's father)? Yes

Is there a retcon of any kind involved? Yes
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Was Roy a superhero?

Were at least some of the children superheros?
No to all
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Is Disney involved?

Roy is widely known, the sons are widely known: is the connection between Roy and the sons widely known?
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Is the medium of their stories:

A comic book?

A newspaper comic strip?

prose fiction?

A radio show?

A TV show?

Different mediums for Roy and his kids?

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Where the characters well known for:

Comic books?

Novels?

Television?

Cinema?

Cartoons?

Theatre?

Radio play?
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Is this a true story? Not exactly
Is it a fictional story loosely based upon a real one?
Is Roy or any of his children a real person with a fictional story told about them?

Does Roy appear in a single work? Several works? A long series?

Does Roy appear in a poem? a book? a play? a comic? a TV show? a movie? a video game?

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A reminder: We don't yet know that the children were "sons".

Just to clear that up:
Were the children all male? All female? A mix?
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Is Disney involved? No

Roy is widely known, the sons are widely known: is the connection between Roy and the sons widely known?

Roy's connection to his offspring is not so well known.
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Is the medium of their stories:

A comic book?

A newspaper comic strip?

prose fiction?

A radio show?

A TV show?

Different mediums for Roy and his kids?
Yes to TV. No to the rest.
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Is it a fictional story loosely based upon a real one? No
Is Roy or any of his children a real person with a fictional story told about them? No

Does Roy appear in a single work? Several works? A long series? A long series

Does Roy appear in a poem? a book? a play? a comic? a TV show? a movie? a video game? TV
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Just to clear that up:
Were the children all male? No All female? Yes A mix? No
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Were Roy and his children both part of the same show? Different shows in the same universe? A show with more than one version (reboots, spinoffs, etc)

Was the show animated or live-action?

Was the show primarily for kids or adults or neither/both?
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Were Roy and his children both part of the same show? No Different shows in the same universe? No, if you mean in the same "storytelling" universe, like Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. But yes in the same actual universe as you or I or Seinfeld or The Hardy Boys or Ozark or Rhoda or Garfield.

A show with more than one version (reboots, spinoffs, etc). They were never together in any show, spinoff or reboot.

Was the show animated or live-action? All shows live-action I think. Actually there was probably animation at some point but it does not matter.

Was the show primarily for kids or adults or neither/both? Both, though again we are not talking about one show.

Hint: Go back and read the original riddle. Why didn't Roy or his children know of each other's fame-- and the reason I am looking for is not that they were fictional.
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Is "Roy" the name the first character you mentioned was known as?

Is "Roy" the name of the actor that played the first character you mentioned?

Is it Roy Rogers?
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Is "Roy" the name the first character you mentioned was known as? No

Is "Roy" the name of the actor that played the first character you mentioned? No

Is it Roy Rogers? No
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Where either of the two sets of characters detectives or investigators of some kind?
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To summarize where we are right now. We have a TV show with 3 sisters who are not detectives or in a band but who do become entertainers and famous in their fictional world. We have a different long running TV show with Roy, where he is eventually retconned into being the father of the 3 sisters.

Were there any siblings besides the 3 sisters in the first TV show?
Were the sisters orphans or adopted in their show?

3 sisters, adopted, no father.... Brady Bunch?
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To summarize where we are right now. We have a TV show with 3 sisters who are not detectives or in a band but who do become entertainers and famous in their fictional world. We have a different long running TV show with Roy, where he is eventually retconned into being the father of the 3 sisters.

Were there any siblings besides the 3 sisters in the first TV show? Yes
Were the sisters orphans or adopted in their show? Yes

3 sisters, adopted, no father.... Brady Bunch? Yes!
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3 sisters, adopted, no father.... Brady Bunch? Yes!
Wait. Is Brady Bunch the actual answer?

Did a show(or some other media) reveal the birth-father of the Brady-girls was a famous character on another show(Roy?)?

If that is the case, I do not know who "Roy" is, but he obviously was on a TV show pre-Brady and it was never referenced.
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D'oh, yes, I should have remembered that! The mother's previous husband was later revealed to have been Roy Hinkley, who was lost at sea and presumed dead.
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Wait. Is Brady Bunch the actual answer?

Did a show(or some other media) reveal the birth-father of the Brady-girls was a famous character on another show(Roy?)?

If that is the case, I do not know who "Roy" is, but he obviously was on a TV show pre-Brady and it was never referenced.
Not exactly so...

But if you think of this as a traditional lateral thinking puzzle you can figure it out... even without knowing the reference. Sure you could ask every tv character and figure it out by date, network, random guessing and process of elimination. But that's not lateral thinking. There is enough evidence from the original and subsequent information here for someone to identify that character right now using lateral thinking, basic TV knowledge, and without asking further questions.
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D'oh, yes, I should have remembered that! The mother's previous husband was later revealed to have been Roy Hinkley, who was lost at sea and presumed dead.


Yes. Sigh. I was hoping someone would think about why they wouldn't know about what was happening to each other and get it that way.
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Did the castaways ever make it back to civilization? If so, there's a really awkward conversation waiting to happen...
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Yes, the Professor is the father of the Brady girls, per A Very Brady Sequel. The Bradys did become famous fictionally when they had their own variety show. The Professor, according to the description from Rescue from Gilligan's Island was hired by a university when the castaways returned because of his fame and not because of his intellect. So both sets of characters became famous in real life because of their shows, and famous fictionally for bizarre reasons.

And for some reason the Professor did not look up his daughters upon return, nor did his return and subsequent loss again at sea come up with the Brady Bunch reboots. I guess they left their pasts in the past.
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Okay, I've got one more.

Two cows are standing in a ritzy New York hotel ballroom crowd, mingling while they enjoy their "hay on ice" cocktails. They overhear someone talking about a bird. Why?
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Is this a true story? Not exactly
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Yes, the Professor is the father of the Brady girls, per A Very Brady Sequel. The Bradys did become famous fictionally when they had their own variety show. The Professor, according to the description from Rescue from Gilligan's Island was hired by a university when the castaways returned because of his fame and not because of his intellect. So both sets of characters became famous in real life because of their shows, and famous fictionally for bizarre reasons.
Can you explain your previous answer, please. In what way is this "not exactly" a true story? As opposed to not being true at all?
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Are we talking about literal cows as in female cattle and a literal bird as in an avian animal? Or like... Scottish human women?
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Can you explain your previous answer, please. In what way is this "not exactly" a true story? As opposed to not being true at all?
It was true that they became famous in the real world. But they also became famous in the fictitious world.
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Are we talking about literal cows as in female cattle and a literal bird as in an avian animal? Or like... Scottish human women?
Actual moo moo bovine cows standing amidst a crowd of partying wealthy New York uppercrust and who overhear something about a bird. No human female references.
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Is this in a comic strip?
Print comic?
Cartoon?
New Yorker comic?
Is it a part of a joke?
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Was this a real event?
Were the cows part of the reason for the event?
Were the cows there intentionally?
Were they the only non-human animals invited/brought to the event?
Were they there as decoration?
Were they there as part of a tradition?
Was the bird present at the time?
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Is this in a comic strip?
Print comic?
Cartoon?
New Yorker comic?
Is it a part of a joke?
No to all
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Was this a real event? Yes, though certain, um, liberties have been taken.

Were the cows part of the reason for the event? Yes
Were the cows there intentionally? Yes
Were they the only non-human animals invited/brought to the event? Not sure, probably no others.
Were they there as decoration? No
Were they there as part of a tradition? No
Was the bird present at the time? I don't think so...
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Was this an actual real event?
A fictional depiction of a real event?

Did this happen in the 21st century?
Latter half of the 20th?
Earlier?

Was it a real bird?
An artistic representation of a bird?
A figure of speech involving a bird?

Just to be 100% clear, were these definitely real, living, flesh and blood cows?

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