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Liam and his friends/colleagues have a very odd daily routine. They climb a pole to the top every day, wait awhile, then climb back down and go about their business. Why is this?


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Are they on an airbase?

NO

A training area?

NO

Guantanamo bay?

NO

A fort?

NO(perhaps some of the time...)

Are they overseas?

YES
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Old 03-03-2020, 06:54 PM
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A fort?
Let me make this a clear:

NO

for that question instead of suggesting perhaps part of the time they were at a fort.
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Couldn't see these above, apologies if they've already been asked

Are Liam and his friends Americans?

Is the pole climbing part of their military duties?
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Couldn't see these above, apologies if they've already been asked

Are Liam and his friends Americans?

Is the pole climbing part of their military duties?
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Old 03-03-2020, 07:15 PM
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Couldn't see these above, apologies if they've already been asked

Are Liam and his friends Americans?

NO

Is the pole climbing part of their military duties?

NO, I would not describe them climbing the pole as a "military duty".
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Old 03-03-2020, 07:32 PM
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Maybe I could be a little more clear about military duties.

If Liam missed a day of pole climbing and didn't have a good reason--like he was sick or had conflicting orders--would he be in any formal trouble?

ETA: and is the name "Liam" a clue to his nationality or have any other significance?

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Old 03-03-2020, 07:43 PM
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If Liam missed a day of pole climbing and didn't have a good reason--like he was sick or had conflicting orders--would he be in any formal trouble?

NO

ETA: and is the name "Liam" a clue to his nationality or have any other significance?

Nah, just a name.
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Is the thing the climbers do connected with radio? Communications of any sort?
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Is there something on the pole that the climbers may choose to manipulate?

Does climbing the pole put them in reach of something they may choose to manipulate?

Does climbing the pole benefit anyone? The climbers? Others in the military? Others outside the military?
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Are Liam and friends from <insert continent>?
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Old 03-04-2020, 01:13 PM
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Is the thing the climbers do connected with radio? Communications of any sort?
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Is there something on the pole that the climbers may choose to manipulate?

NO

Does climbing the pole put them in reach of something they may choose to manipulate?

NO

Does climbing the pole benefit anyone? The climbers? Others in the military? Others outside the military?

NO - (maybe ask more about this kind of topic)
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Are Liam and friends from <insert continent>?
Europe
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Does climbing the pole provide benefits to any person anywhere?

Any Plant, Animal or Mineral? Does any inanimate object benefit from the climbing?

Are they tending to vines climbing a terrace?
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Are they looking for something, or at something, once up on the pole?
And just to be sure, they are not Polish, are they?
Anything to do with Gibraltar?
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Old 03-04-2020, 02:26 PM
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Liam and his friends/colleagues have a very odd daily routine. They climb a pole to the top every day, wait awhile, then climb back down and go about their business. Why is this?


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Does climbing the pole provide benefits to any person anywhere?

NO

Any Plant, Animal or Mineral? Does any inanimate object benefit from the climbing?

NO

Are they tending to vines climbing a terrace?

NO
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Are they looking for something, or at something, once up on the pole?

I guess looking around, but no, not really.


And just to be sure, they are not Polish, are they?

NO

Anything to do with Gibraltar?

NO
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Old 03-04-2020, 02:55 PM
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Does doing the thing they do while on top of the pole benefit anyone? Any living entity or groups of entities?
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Old 03-04-2020, 03:46 PM
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does doing the thing they do while on top of the pole benefit anyone? Any living entity or groups of entities?
no

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Old 03-04-2020, 05:08 PM
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I'm sorry I keep harping on this but I want to make sure I have the bit that it's not a military duty clear.

If Liam woke up one morning, decided he'd had enough of Pole climbing and said to his fellow troops "Hey guys, I think I'm done with pole-climbing. No more poles for me." there would be no official repercussions. No reprimands nothing of that nature? IOW, this isn't something the military is making him do?

Conversely,

The officers and government of their country is fine with soldiers neglecting their actual duties just to sit on top of a pole, even though it doesn't benefit them or their country?
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Old 03-04-2020, 05:27 PM
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I'm going to try to answer with more detail to help things along.

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I'm sorry I keep harping on this but I want to make sure I have the bit that it's not a military duty clear.

If Liam woke up one morning, decided he'd had enough of Pole climbing and said to his fellow troops "Hey guys, I think I'm done with pole-climbing. No more poles for me." there would be no official repercussions. No reprimands nothing of that nature? IOW, this isn't something the military is making him do?

Answer: I don't think the military is making anyone do this. However, if they were not in the military, they would likely not be doing this. So, no, I think they could stop their daily pole climbing routine and suffer no issues.

Conversely,

The officers and government of their country is fine with soldiers neglecting their actual duties just to sit on top of a pole, even though it doesn't benefit them or their country?

Answer: No, they don't want or allow these guys to go up and just sit there for a long time. And here is where I help more than I might if this hadn't gone on awhile:

It doesn't help or benefit them. They might THINK it does, though...(we KNOW it doesn't, though)

Don't feel bad harping on it. You are certainly getting to what makes this lateral puzzle pretty good. It's hard to understand or think of this situation in a way that makes sense.
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Is it a contest of some sort, or training therefor?
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In this European country, does doing this, or having done this, help get you girls?
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Old 03-04-2020, 11:41 PM
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Is this taking place now, in the 21st century?

If not was it ended in the 20th century,
19th century,
etc., etc,
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Do they believe they are helping themselves or do they think they are helping other people?

Is there religious significance to the climbing? Is it cultural superstition?

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Old 03-05-2020, 06:22 AM
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Liam and his friends/colleagues have a very odd daily routine. They climb a pole to the top every day, wait awhile, then climb back down and go about their business. Why is this?


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Is it a contest of some sort, or training therefor?
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In this European country, does doing this, or having done this, help get you girls?
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Is this taking place now, in the 21st century?

If not was it ended in the 20th century,
19th century,
etc., etc,
17th and 18th centuries

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Do they believe they are helping themselves or do they think they are helping other people?

THEMSELVES

Is there religious significance to the climbing? Is it cultural superstition?

NO to both.
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Were they climbing the pole in order to observe something?
Did they wear kilts?
Was this activity ever halted due to harsh weather conditions?
Did they climb together or one at a time?
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Are they trying to avoid something they think will make them sick?

Are they in their home country?
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Are the soldiers climbing during wartime / peacetime / both?

Is the benefit to themselves related to good luck?
safety?
wealth?
job performance?
ending the war?
winning the war?
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Were they climbing the pole in order to observe something?

NO

Did they wear kilts?

NO

Was this activity ever halted due to harsh weather conditions?

I have no idea(irrelevant)

Did they climb together or one at a time?

I don't know(irrelevant)
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Are they trying to avoid something they think will make them sick?

YES(kind of)

Are they in their home country?

NO
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Are the soldiers climbing during wartime / peacetime / both?

BOTH

Is the benefit to themselves related to good luck?

NO

safety?

NO

wealth?

NO

job performance?

YES, somewhat

ending the war?

NO

winning the war?

NO
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Old 03-05-2020, 02:51 PM
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Were they trying to get something that would make them healthy?

Fresh air?
Sunshine?
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Old 03-05-2020, 02:58 PM
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When we have solved the puzzle, will we recognize "they climb a pole" as something more familiar, or will we have understood an unusual practice that existed then that will be unfamiliar? Or something else?
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Were they trying to get something that would make them healthy?

YES - sort of

Fresh air?
Sunshine?

NO to fresh air and sunshine
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When we have solved the puzzle, will we recognize "they climb a pole" as something more familiar, or will we have understood an unusual practice that existed then that will be unfamiliar? Or something else?
"They climb a pole" means they literally went up a pole as we understand that phrase in English. Picture a pole, perhaps metal or wooden. Now picture someone climbing to the top of it. Now picture him coming back down. Your picture is accurate enough I would bet.

However, let me answer your broader question. You will have understood an unusual practice that existed and is probably unfamiliar to you.

I just wanted to make sure you understood "climb a pole" means literally climbing a pole.
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So, men who are in the military in Europe in the 17th to 18th centuries were in the habit of climbing a pole each day in order to avoid becoming sick or to help become healthier.

Did climbing the pole give them access to something that wasn't on the ground?
Were they trying to get away from something that was on the ground?
Does the advancement of medicine prove that their efforts were not effective?
Does it have to do with diseases that were common at that time?
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Did climbing the pole give them access to something that wasn't on the ground?

YES, but also kind of NO.

Were they trying to get away from something that was on the ground?

NO


Does the advancement of medicine prove that their efforts were not effective?

YES

Does it have to do with diseases that were common at that time?

NO
I love this puzzle, but feel like a hint is needed:

Liam and his friends are from Switzerland.
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Was this during a festival?
Was there a prize on top?
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Was there a prize on top?
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I'm wondering if this is truly what I would consider a lateral thinking puzzle, which I think of as something where, once you shift your thinking, there is a solution that makes perfect sense, or if it is more like just having to guess something weird that we will still think is weird after we guess it. This is not really meant to be critical -- it may be just differing definitions, or I may be wrong, but I think it influences question strategy and guesses.
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I'm wondering if this is truly what I would consider a lateral thinking puzzle, which I think of as something where, once you shift your thinking, there is a solution that makes perfect sense, or if it is more like just having to guess something weird that we will still think is weird after we guess it. This is not really meant to be critical -- it may be just differing definitions, or I may be wrong, but I think it influences question strategy and guesses.
I really am not sure. It is weird, but there is(was) a logic behind their thinking. I do feel the solution often makes or breaks these things. You all may love it or hate it, I'm not sure.

It was good to ask about the advancement of medicine. That is an area to pursue....
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Are they at the Vatican?

Are they trying to avoid miasmas or vapors or whatnot that they believe will cause them ill?

Or, more in general, are they climbing the pole to avoid a perceived evil or to attain a perceived good?
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Are they at the Vatican?

NO - they are in France(no point in hiding this I think)

Are they trying to avoid miasmas or vapors or whatnot that they believe will cause them ill?

NO

Or, more in general, are they climbing the pole to avoid a perceived evil or to attain a perceived good?

They are not trying to avoid anything.
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Had they consumed anything prior to climbing?
Had they applied anything to their bodies?
Had they breathed in a gas?
Had they used some sort of liquid?
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Did they believe that breathing the air on the pole-tops would be good for them?
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Had they consumed anything prior to climbing?
Had they applied anything to their bodies?
Had they breathed in a gas?
Had they used some sort of liquid?
Nothing unusual.

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Did they believe that breathing the air on the pole-tops would be good for them?
YES, in a way.
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Was it a means to get used to higher elevation? (I know, they're already in Switzerland, but I'm seriously grasping at straws here)
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Was it a means to get used to higher elevation? (I know, they're already in Switzerland, but I'm seriously grasping at straws here)
YES

(they are not in Switzerland. They are from Switzerland and are in France)
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Were they trying to cool down?
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Were they trying to cool down?
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I can post the answer tonight. Anyone want to guess or ask any further questions?

Maybe I'll give it away, but my final hint lays it out with some info. you have already learned mixed in:

Liam and his friends are from Switzerland working related to the military. They are actually in France, though. They were climbing a pole daily because they were advised to medically. Advancements in science have shown us this was unsurprisingly not necessary or even helpful. This was back in the late 1600's and early 1700's, just for perspective.

What was the thinking? I mean, why would they have done this?

(again, everything I said up there was solved by you guys, I think)

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Did they experience some kind of ailment in France that they attributed to being absent from Switzerland?
If so, did they think they would be cured by climbing to a higher elevation?
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Were other people using this pole climbing cure, or was it unique to these particular soldiers?

Did they attribute their military prowess--seriously the Swiss mercs were feared throughout Europe--to being from a mountainous region and were they trying to maintain/restore that ferocity?
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Did they experience some kind of ailment in France that they attributed to being absent from Switzerland?

YES

If so, did they think they would be cured by climbing to a higher elevation?

YES
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Were other people using this pole climbing cure, or was it unique to these particular soldiers?

UNIQUE TO THESE SOLDIERS

Did they attribute their military prowess--seriously the Swiss mercs were feared throughout Europe--to being from a mountainous region and were they trying to maintain/restore that ferocity?

NO
They were Swiss mercs like you said, though.
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