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Was Stan stabbed, impaled, or the like by the pencil?

Was any form of machinery relevant to the mechanism of Stan's death?
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Was Stan writing something when he died?

You mention if he was holding something else he would have lived... would he have lived if he was holding a pen? a specific other non-pencil object? a different pencil? nothing at all?
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Stan was just sitting there, holding his pencil, minding his own business. A moment later, there was a crack. A moment after that, he was dead. How did he die?

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Was Stan stabbed, impaled, or the like by the pencil?

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Was any form of machinery relevant to the mechanism of Stan's death?

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Was Stan writing something when he died?

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You mention if he was holding something else he would have lived... would he have lived if he was holding a pen? a specific other non-pencil object? a different pencil? nothing at all?

PEN - likely survived
Different pencil - likely died
Nothing at all - definitely survived
I have no specific non-pencil object in mind, so NO.
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Old 05-19-2020, 11:32 AM
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Did somebody mistake the pencil for a different object?
Did they think it was a gun?

Did Stan touch another object with the pencil?
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Did somebody mistake the pencil for a different object?

NO

Did they think it was a gun?

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Did Stan touch another object with the pencil?

YES
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Old 05-19-2020, 11:49 AM
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Did he try to pick up a gun with a pencil?
Was he investigating a crime scene?

Did he touch the pencil to something electric?
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Did Stan mistakenly think that the pencil would protect him from a dangerous thing?
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PEN - likely survived
Different pencil - likely died
Somebody attacked him with a sword. If he had a pen he could have protected himself. But it turns out that a pencil is not mightier than a sword.
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Was he shot by a projectile?
Stabbed or impaled by anything?
Blunt trauma?
crushed?
drowned?
asphyxiated?
drawn and quartered?
Did he fall for a fatal distance?
poisoned?
organ failure?
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Did the pencil make Stan more visible than he would otherwise have been?

Was the object that he touched with the pencil paper?

Was it something else that he was using the pencil to make marks on?

Was he using the pencil to do something other than writing / drawing / making marks?

Was he engaged in carpentry, home repair, or similar?

Did he die because he made a mistake of some sort?
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Did he try to pick up a gun with a pencil?
Was he investigating a crime scene?

Did he touch the pencil to something electric?
NO to all of those.

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Did Stan mistakenly think that the pencil would protect him from a dangerous thing?
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Somebody attacked him with a sword. If he had a pen he could have protected himself. But it turns out that a pencil is not mightier than a sword.
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Was he shot by a projectile?

NO

Stabbed or impaled by anything?

YES

Blunt trauma?
crushed?
drowned?
asphyxiated?
drawn and quartered?
Did he fall for a fatal distance?
poisoned?

NO to above

organ failure?

YES, from the stabbing/impaling I said yes to here.
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Did the pencil make Stan more visible than he would otherwise have been?

NO

Was the object that he touched with the pencil paper?

NO

Was it something else that he was using the pencil to make marks on?

NO

Was he using the pencil to do something other than writing / drawing / making marks?

NO

Was he engaged in carpentry, home repair, or similar?

NO

Did he die because he made a mistake of some sort?

NO
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He touched another object with the pencil, was he impaled by that other object? By an object propelled by the object he touched?

Did the pencil make an electrical connection of some sort?

Was he impaled/stabbed by a falling object?
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Stan was just sitting there, holding his pencil, minding his own business. A moment later, there was a crack. A moment after that, he was dead. How did he die?

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He touched another object with the pencil, was he impaled by that other object?

YES - stabbed is a better term than impaled, though.

By an object propelled by the object he touched?

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Did the pencil make an electrical connection of some sort?

NO

Was he impaled/stabbed by a falling object?

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Stan was sitting, outdoors, in a city when he touched an object with his pencil, whereupon that object stabbed him.

Was the object alive? a machine?

Was the object designed to stab things? Did the object malfunction when he touched it? Would a reasonable nearby observer have cautioned him not to touch the object with his pencil, because it was dangerous?
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Was the object an animal? Something with a horn? A tusk? A tooth? A claw?

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Stan was sitting, outdoors, in a city when he touched an object with his pencil, whereupon that object stabbed him.

YES

Was the object alive? a machine?

NO

Was the object designed to stab things?

YES - one possible use of it

Did the object malfunction when he touched it?

From Stan's perspective? Yes. In reality? It's just an object, so NO.

Would a reasonable nearby observer have cautioned him not to touch the object with his pencil, because it was dangerous?

NO - see below
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Was the object an animal? Something with a horn? A tusk? A tooth? A claw?
NO

It's a knife. I am aware that a knife may be a simple machine, but I have been answering no to machine questions because it is simply a knife.

So would they caution him not to use it on his pencil? No, Stan was an adult. A child? Yes, I would tell my kids not to do that...
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Old 05-20-2020, 06:59 AM
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Was it a ballistic knife? A spring loaded blade that was triggered by Stan touching it?
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Was the reason the pencil was touching the knife because Stan was trying to sharpen the pencil?
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Old 05-20-2020, 12:34 PM
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was it a ballistic knife? A spring loaded blade that was triggered by stan touching it?
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was the reason the pencil was touching the knife because stan was trying to sharpen the pencil?
yes
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Could Stan have saved himself between the crack and the stabbing?

Was the cause of the knife stabbing Stan just something that happened between the knife and the pencil, or was something else involved?
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Is there anything else we need to know? He was sharpening a pencil, his knife slipped and he cut himself, and then he bled to death. Are any relevant details missing there?
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Did Stan fall on to the knife?
Was the crack sound the reason Stan fell?
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Was the crack the sound of the pencil breaking while he was trying to sharpen it?
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Could Stan have saved himself between the crack and the stabbing?

YES - in theory

Was the cause of the knife stabbing Stan just something that happened between the knife and the pencil, or was something else involved?

SOMETHING ELSE
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Is there anything else we need to know? He was sharpening a pencil, his knife slipped and he cut himself, and then he bled to death. Are any relevant details missing there?
Yes, his knife did not slip would be a key detail. At least not how I think of it.

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Was the crack sound the reason Stan fell?

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Was the crack the sound of the pencil breaking while he was trying to sharpen it?
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Old 05-20-2020, 02:16 PM
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We have Stan, he is sitting outdoors in a city with a pencil in one hand and a knife in the other hand. He is sharpening the pencil with the knife. There is a crack sound, and he then is stabbed with the knife, which kills him.

Are the following details relevant to the situation?
Stan is sitting
Stan is outside
Stan is in a city

Is the knife that stabs and kills him the same knife he is using to sharpen the pencil?
Was the crack sound related to his sharpening of the pencil?
Did he interact with any other person or animal?
Did his chair break?
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Did Stan stab himself because of the crack sound?

Was it due to momentarily forgetting that there was a knife in his hand?

Spilling a cup of coffee because you are checking the time situation?

A pirate walks into a bar and the bartender says, "Hey, I haven't seen you in a while. What happened, you look terrible!"
"Arrh – Not at ‘tall." the pirate replies, "I be fine." The bartender says, "But what about that wooden leg? You didn't have that before."
"Arrh!," says the pirate, "We were in a battle at sea and a cannon ball hit me leg. But the surgeon fixed me up, and I be fine, really."
"Yeah," says the bartender, "But what about that hook? Last time I saw you, you had both hands."
"Aye," says the pirate, "We were in another battle and we boarded the enemy ship. I was in a sword fight and me hand was cut off. But the surgeon fixed me up with this hook, and I be feeling great, really."
"Oh," says the bartender, "What about that eye patch? Last time you were in here you had both eyes."
"Arrh," says the pirate, "One day when I was swabbing me deck, some gulls were flying over the ship. I looked up, and one of them--arrgh, he, pooped--in me eye."
"So?" replied the bartender, "what happened? You couldn't have lost an eye just from that!"
"Well," says the pirate, "'Twas me first day with me hook.”
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Stan was just sitting there, holding his pencil, minding his own business. A moment later, there was a crack. A moment after that, he was dead. How did he die?

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We have Stan, he is sitting outdoors in a city with a pencil in one hand and a knife in the other hand. He is sharpening the pencil with the knife. There is a crack sound, and he then is stabbed with the knife, which kills him.

Are the following details relevant to the situation?
Stan is sitting
Stan is outside
Stan is in a city

NOT REALLY, but his location is relevant. However, he could have been standing. Could have been inside, and could have been in the country. He just wasn't....

Is the knife that stabs and kills him the same knife he is using to sharpen the pencil?

YES

Was the crack sound related to his sharpening of the pencil?

NO

Did he interact with any other person or animal?

YES

Did his chair break?

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Did Stan stab himself because of the crack sound?

NO

Was it due to momentarily forgetting that there was a knife in his hand?

NO

Spilling a cup of coffee because you are checking the time situation?

NO
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Was Stan still holding the knife when he was stabbed with it?

Did he interact with another person? Did that other person take the knife and stab him with it?
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Was Stan still holding the knife when he was stabbed with it?

YES


Did he interact with another person?

YES - but somewhat irrelevant.

Did that other person take the knife and stab him with it?

NO
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Was the knife propelled by Stan's muscles when he was stabbed with it? Did something hit Stan that caused him to be stabbed?
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Was the knife propelled by Stan's muscles when he was stabbed with it?

NO

Did something hit Stan that caused him to be stabbed?

YES, the knife hit Stan. Ha ha. But YES, something hit the knife into Stan, it was not propelled by his own muscles.
I think we'll get this one if we keep going along the discussion lines you are all on.
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Would someone like to put together what you know into a few sentences? It helps. Chronos did that and I saw that he thought Stan fell, which he didn't. It helps and may even shed some new light on the situation once you see it all laid out.
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We have Stan, he is sitting outdoors in a city (but he could have been standing, indoors, or in the country) with a pencil in one hand and a knife in the other hand. He is sharpening the pencil with the knife. There is a crack sound, which precipitates something hitting the knife into Stan, killing him.

Was it the crack of the bat? Was he watching a ballgame? Hit by a foul ball?
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We have Stan, he is sitting outdoors in a city (but he could have been standing, indoors, or in the country) with a pencil in one hand and a knife in the other hand. He is sharpening the pencil with the knife. There is a crack sound, which precipitates something hitting the knife into Stan, killing him.

Was it the crack of the bat? Was he watching a ballgame? Hit by a foul ball?
See? You did it! Solved!

This is the true story of Stanton Walker. He was at a ballgame(I decided that was outdoors) and he was keeping score. He asked a friend to borrow a knife to sharpen his pencil. His friend handed him a knife and a player hit a ball that, by incredible coincidence, hit his hand/knife and drove the knife into him. He fell silently to the ground and died almost immediately. He was still grasping the handle of the knife after he died...

Note: The article I cite here clarifies the knife was being handed to him, not that he was already sharpening his pencil. I guess I kind of changed that detail for the puzzle.

Read the brief news article from 1902 here.
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Roy had three children. Later they became famous. Roy became famous too. And yet the children never knew Roy was famous, and Roy never knew his children were famous, even though they were all alive at the time of their fame. Why?
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Did Roy know his three children? Were they separated or adopted?

Were they famous for the same reason?
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Did Roy know his three children? Yes Were they separated or adopted? separated.

Were they famous for the same reason? No
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Is this a true story?

What year were they all famous(or range of years)?

Have all of us most likely heard of them?

Were the sons all famous for the same thing?
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Is this a true story? Not exactly

What year were they all famous(or range of years)? 20th century

Have all of us most likely heard of them? Yes, definitely.

Were the sons all famous for the same thing? The offspring were all famous for the same thing, but not the same thing as Roy.
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Was Roy famous for being good at something?
Was Roy famous for something that someone else did to or about him?
Was Roy's fame primarily the result of luck?

Was at least one of the children famous for being good at something?
Was at least one of the children famous for something that someone else did to or about them?
Was at least one of the children's fame primarily the result of luck?

Were all of the parties involved conscious for at least some of the time of their fame?
Were all of the parties involved mentally competent for at least some of the time of their fame?
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Were the children in the entertainment industry? Was Roy?

After they were separated, did they live in different countries?

Did their separation involve a war? The Holocaust?
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Was Roy famous for being good at something? Yes
Was Roy famous for something that someone else did to or about him? Sort of
Was Roy's fame primarily the result of luck? I am not sure I would put it that way and I doubt Roy would

Was at least one of the children famous for being good at something?Not that I can think of offhand...
Was at least one of the children famous for something that someone else did to or about them? Sort of
Was at least one of the children's fame primarily the result of luck? No

Were all of the parties involved conscious for at least some of the time of their fame? No
Were all of the parties involved mentally competent for at least some of the time of their fame? Yes
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Were the children in the entertainment industry? No. But I bet they put on a show a time or two. Was Roy? No

After they were separated, did they live in different countries? Yes

Did their separation involve a war? The Holocaust? No. Nothing like that.
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Is this a true story? Not exactly
Okay, let me clarify. This is not a "true" story because it did not actually happen. But prepare to be shocked anyway. I was.
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So at least one of these people was NOT conscious during any of the time they were famous, but WAS mentally competent for at least some of the time they were famous? Do I have that right?

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Were the children in the entertainment industry? No. But I bet they put on a show a time or two. Was Roy? No

After they were separated, did they live in different countries? Yes

Did their separation involve a war? The Holocaust? No. Nothing like that.
edited answer: The children were at some point later in the entertainment industry and paradoxically that makes them famous yet it is probably not why you know who they are.
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So at least one of these people was NOT conscious during any of the time they were famous, but WAS mentally competent for at least some of the time they were famous? Do I have that right?
I read the question from Chronos wrong. Sorry

Roy was not conscious for a couple of days once, but other than that everyone was conscious. I misread it as asking if the folks involved were conscious of their fame, which they were not until they were. Ugh.
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Were the children famous before Roy was famous?

Were the children triplets?

Did the children become famous after they and Roy were living in different countries? Did Roy become famous after they separated?

How old were the children when they became famous? Infancy? School age? Adult?
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