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Old 05-16-2020, 11:04 AM
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...I keep coming back to herpes viruses and I worry that this is a virus that is never completely cleared and can keep reactivating.
I am not a scientist, but I have a feeling this is what it will turn out to be.
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If one wants to consider that direction, then it might be better to look not at the Herpes family and true reactivation, but at "persistent" infections.

You have hepatitis C and Borna virus disease as RNA viruses that can have long term persistence in some hosts, and there is "evidence that acute respiratory viruses, such as rhinoviruses [9, 10] and respiratory paramyxoviruses [11], establish persistent infections in some individuals with production of infectious virus for many weeks or months, although such infections are often, but not always, associated with immune dysfunction (see below) and/or age" And mouse hepatitis, a coronavirus, can hide out in the CNS persistently.

More which have persistence with persistence defined as longer than acute, from 28 days to over a year.

Going there as a hypothetical ... even a very small percent being both persistent and potentially infectious while persistent would make eradication even more difficult as that would be a reservoir hard to eliminate.
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Almost half the current Covid-19 hotspots in the US are linked to meat processing plants where poultry, pigs and cattle are slaughtered and packaged, which has led to the virus spiking in many small towns and prompted calls for urgent reforms to an industry beset by health and safety problems.

At least 12 of the 25 hotspots in the US – counties with the highest per-capita infection rates – originated in meat factories where employees work side by side in cramped conditions, according to an analysis by the Guardian.
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Today in Austria:
  • Austrians may now travel to Germany for the purposes of visiting relatives; attending weddings, funerals, and religious events; making use of their own real estate there; caring for animals; or attending school or training. Travel for tourism is not yet allowed.

  • The borders with the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary will open on Sunday.

  • Austrians will be able to freely travel to Italy from 3 June, though Austria won't let them come back again without going through a 14-day quarantine. Croatia is likewise effectively open to Austrian tourists as of now, though Austria hasn't lifted its quarantine restrictions from travellers entering from Croatia.

  • A poll shows that 51% of Austrians are opposed to another total lockdown in the event of a second wave, while 41% are in support of it.

  • A postal distribution centre in Hagenbrunn has suffered a severe outbreak, with 79 employees infected. The army has called in 250 soldiers to help with mail distribution there.

  • Current statistics: 16,146 confirmed infections, 629 deaths, 14,524 recovered.
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It's been a few days now since the students have returned to campus. My school's 12th graders and 9th graders (aka "Year 12" and "Year 9" for some odd Australian and/or Chinese reason) returned to the campus, a boarding school, on Sunday, 10 May 2020 and Monday, 11 May 2020, respectively. Classes began for Year 12 students on Monday, 11 May 2020 and Year 9 students on 12 May 2020.

This schedule required us teachers to be on the campus Sunday and Monday at 8:00 a.m. instead of 8:30 a.m. That part doesn't bug me so much; what does is that we still stay until 5:30 p.m. each day. What I did appreciate this time, though, is the "Semester Opening Ceremony" (yeah, TIC*) was held with just select senior staff and teachers and all of the students during the student's evening study hall time (7:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m.). The staff shuttle buses therefore ran their morning routes thirty minutes early.

Once departing the bus in the school parking lot, I noticed the line barriers (what are those thing called?) set up again. A couple of students were entering the campus and they had to do the same routine we staff did last week.

All classes are divided into two groups: Group A and Group B. Half the classes on each floor are in Group A, the other half in Group B. Group A classes begin at the normal times (8:30 a.m. for morning classes, 1:50 p.m. for afternoon classes) and last for forty-five minutes with a ten-minute break between classes. Group B's classes begin at the same times, but the first class in the morning and the first class in the afternoon are fifty minutes long. This is to minimize the number of students in the hallways and restrooms during the break between classes. Every restroom on campus now had an occupancy limit clearly posted at the door. In addition to that, every other stall door is bolted shut and every other urinal is covered up. Some genius decided that the western style commode on the first floor male restroom is one of the stalls to be closed--I hope he falls into the squatter.

Each grade is now assigned a time to go the cafeteria (aka "canteen" for yet another Australian or Chinese reason). Before the pandemic, the students had the entire lunch break (12:00 noon to 1:50 p.m. for the students) to hang out and eat at any of the canteens on campus. Now they must be escorted by their grade's senior teacher.

Students are no longer permitted in any of the teachers' offices. If they need to use the restroom, only one student per class may go. (Reminds me of that character in Summer School who got the restroom key on the first day and returned it on the day of the final exam. Or was that Fast Times at Ridgemont High?) The form teachers are required to ensure no students are in the halls during classes.

In class, we teachers have been tasked with ensuring the students do not congregate closer than one meter to each other, and that they wear their masks properly instead of the usual Chinese practice of wearing it as a sort of fashion statement (not covering the nose or even the mouth). For Group B classes, those teachers are permitted to let the students have a rest in place for the extra five minutes of the first period in the morning and the first period in the afternoon. Personally, I think that Group A should have the normal times for the morning and the fifty-minute class in the afternoon, just to make it fair.

The school staff discovered that with all the social distancing and other pandemic prevention rules ("Pandemic prevention"? Apparently someone forgot that it's already a pandemic now; we need to control it, not prevent it.) the students in one of the two departments in which I'm currently working simply do not have enough time to get to PE class, have PE class, clean up after PE class, and then get back to their classroom for their other subjects. This is because that department is further away from the gym than the other departments. The decision came down on Tuesday that the students in that department will all have PE in the final period in the afternoon. I suppose I should mention that there are four periods in the morning and four in the afternoon.

The students are again herded escorted to dinner by their department's head teacher and are turned over to the form teachers for study hall, and finally to the dorm teachers at 9:00 p.m. I have no idea what the new dormitory restrictions are so I cannot report on those.

The Beijing Municipal Education Commission and the Beijing CCP Education Committee have observers meandering around campus throughout the day to ensure the staff and students are following the new rules.

All of the above is for private boarding schools in the city. The training centers ("cram schools"/"afterschool academies") are still closed.

For the public schools, the 12th graders returned a few days ealier, 27 April 2020. Their campuses have similar markings and signages throughout the campus but their control procedures are more strict. The students are stuck in the classroom for the duration of the day. During their ten-minute break, they get to rest in place. There is no leaving the classroom until lunchtime and then when it's time to go home. I do not know if they get escorted to the cafeteria for lunch or if the food is brought to their classrooms.

The really big news was announced yesterday by the Beijig Municipal Education Commission! The other grades, except for first, second, and third grades, are returning to campus per the following schedule:



The very important announcement over the commission's official WeChat account is that the summer holiday will not be postponed. I was very excited to read that, but I still have my doubts about it for the private schools. Anyway, so long as the borders are closed to foreigners retrurning, that might not be such a big issue for us foreigners in country.

A number of foreign teachers at my school and, of course, at others are not in China now for the aforementioned ban. Some of those teachers are stranded in locales where they can neither return to China nor get to their home countries. On the foreign teachers' WeChat group, someone stated that some teachers were told those whose contracts end this semester will not be renewed. Note that I have heard nothing from administration or senior management on that nor anything official; it's just something one of those out-of-country teachers stated in the group.

If true, I guess I can see the school's side, but at the same time, it's really looks like abandonding somene especially if that person is stranded elsewhere and has been doing the job online as directed. If not true, that's good news for those folks.

Speaking of contracts ending in July, mine does. I've already asked my department head what's going on with that. I guess I just have to be patient. That's getting very difficult the longer my wife is stuck oustide of the country! Oh, and her visa, just like mine, expires 31 July 2020. Actually, there's a possibility that her visa may be void because it was issued last year. I guess we'll discover what's going on with that when and if China cancels the ban on foreigners returning.

I think I did not make any spelling or grammar errors in this post. I do not mind if you find any and let me know I made such errors.

*TIC = This Is China.
You typed ealier and retrurned. It gave me great joy and accomplishment to find them! I need a life😄
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Old 05-16-2020, 10:53 PM
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You typed ealier and retrurned. It gave me great joy and accomplishment to find them! I need a life😄

Don't we all? The whole population of the planet has been denied a life, for the most part, for approximately a half-year now.

Good news for me, though, is yesterday morning (Saturday on this side of the IDL), I got notified I'm getting renewed for another year at my current school along with the standard bump in monthly salary.

Other good news is that the neighborhood police stations last week notified different churches about the procedures to re-open. On the tele-conference call for Sacrament Service, our branch president announced that news and stated it is a lenghty process and the branch and district presidencies will ensure we are all informed as this process goes on. My speculation is that we will have something similar to the campus protocols.
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Old 05-16-2020, 11:29 PM
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The world will prolly have more than 5,000,000 total cases by Tuesday, 19 May 2020.

The US will certainly have 100,000 dead well before the end of May, possibly before the end of next week.
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Panama announced today that we may now leave the house to take exercise, not just to go to the supermarket or pharmacy. However, we need to stay within one kilometer of our residence.

Unfortunately my two-hour window for leaving the house is during the heat of the day from 11 AM to 1 PM. I normally used to take my daily walk from 6 to 7 PM when things have cooled off. It's brutal walking around at midday.

And today men got their third shopping day back. Males and females have been restricted to shopping on alternate days, but weekends have been declared a complete quarantine. Since men were allowed to go out Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays, that means we lost Saturday. Today was the first time I've been able to leave the house on Saturday since early April.
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Slovenia declares end to pandemic.

CBC: «Slovenia is 1st in Europe to call an end to its coronavirus epidemic»

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sloven...ders-1.5571040

Any further info? Is their decision based on the low rate of new cases?
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Panama announced today that we may now leave the house to take exercise,
Restricting people from getting exercise is going way too far. It's actually counterproductive, since exercise helps you keep healthier. Fortunately, they never restricted it here in Oregon[*]. I've been cycling everyday the weather allows it throughout the pandemic.



[*] Oregon never closed down any factories, either, as long as they could maintain social distancing between workers. A number of tham have closed, but mainly because their orders have dried up or their supply streams have been disrupted.
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It should be noted that New York updated their numbers again starting from May 11th. There were 88,507 U.S. deaths and 1218 more died, so the death count would have been 89,725. The extra 388 deaths came from NY's update for the past 5 days.
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Iceland plans to reopen to tourists, including Americans, with a testing and tracing program.

Assuming it goes well, this makes me feel incredibly hopeful. I was supposed to be leading our Honors College's study abroad trip to Ireland this summer (we were due to leave Wednesday). Fingers crossed that it's only postponed for a year. And, honestly, it is so much of a psychological relief to know that I COULD leave the US if I wanted to; the thing that really made me feel despair, back in March, was all the border-closing news.
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Restricting people from getting exercise is going way too far. It's actually counterproductive, since exercise helps you keep healthier.
Right. I've been getting what exercise I can by walking around my neighborhood during my two hour shopping window on Tuesdays and Thursdays. However, I wasn't able to do so for about a month when the quarantine first started, and found myself getting short of breathe when I started again. And while I can lose weight when I can exercise five or six times a week, when it's just twice a week I find it almost impossible. So if I were to get the virus I'd be in worse shape for combating it than if I had been allowed to exercise like normal for the past couple of months.
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Today in Austria, for the first time since I started posting daily updates in mid-March, there were no news events of note.

Current statistics: 16,167 confirmed cases, 629 deaths, 14,563 recovered.
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Old 05-17-2020, 05:59 PM
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Today in Austria, for the first time since I started posting daily updates in mid-March, there were no news events of note.

Current statistics: 16,167 confirmed cases, 629 deaths, 14,563 recovered.
Wow! That's a news item in itself.
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[*] The borders with the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and Hungary will open on Sunday.
I'd like to see the US try something like this. It's already happening to a certain degree but going forward, states could effectively create zones where they could coordinate reopening plans. Simultaneously, within each of these individual states, there could be smaller zones within zones in which counties coordinate travel, public openings, gatherings, etc.

I think if there's one possible error - and one with good intentions of course - it's that it probably wasn't necessary to lock down every single state to the same degree. But people need to understand that this is a fast-moving situation in which delays in judgment calls equals lives lost.

We still need testing though. A lot more, I'm afraid.

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Iceland plans to reopen to tourists, including Americans, with a testing and tracing program.

Assuming it goes well, this makes me feel incredibly hopeful. I was supposed to be leading our Honors College's study abroad trip to Ireland this summer (we were due to leave Wednesday). Fingers crossed that it's only postponed for a year. And, honestly, it is so much of a psychological relief to know that I COULD leave the US if I wanted to; the thing that really made me feel despair, back in March, was all the border-closing news.
Wait... Ireland or Iceland?
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Wait... Ireland or Iceland?
Iceland is the one that's currently opening to tourists. Ireland, I'm figuring, should be there by next summer (along with most other countries that have the combination of a tourism-dependent economy + sufficient wealth to implement testing and tracking), as long as what Iceland is doing works out.
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In Kansas City some of the drive in theaters have opened. They show old movies, charge $20 per car, require everyone to sit inside their car, and have limited concessions. All shows have been selling out. They will be showing the 1939 "Wizard of Oz" Monday night.
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My nomination for the next movie is The Hellstrom Chronicle, just for a break from viral plagues.

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This is a very good result for Iceland. Iceland started with one of the highest infection rates in the world, and still has
???? the highest reported infection rate in the world (but that may now be due to perhaps the highest testing rate in the world).

But going from their very high infection rate, they've managed to pull it right down -- which they attribute to very strong rules and very strong compliance (Iceland is so small, and infection rates were so high, that everybody knew of someone who was infected)

It certainly was unexpected by me - mid March, they looked to be in the same situation as the USA.
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This is a very good result for Iceland. Iceland started with one of the highest infection rates in the world, and still has
???? the highest reported infection rate in the world (but that may now be due to perhaps the highest testing rate in the world).

But going from their very high infection rate, they've managed to pull it right down -- which they attribute to very strong rules and very strong compliance (Iceland is so small, and infection rates were so high, that everybody knew of someone who was infected)
Having an extremely low population density, plus no major cities, makes it relatively easy to avoid crowds and other opportunities for interpersonal contact.
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Vietnam is another interesting case. Vietnam was where the USS Theodore Roosevelt, with initially more than 100 sailors sick, was thought to have picked up infection. Vietnam is now reporting 320 cases total -- in a population of 93 million. They were apparently in nation-wide lockdown for the first two week of April.
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The reason Iceland's case numbers look so high is that they were absolute guns for early testing and tracing. They ACTUALLY had 'anyone who wants can get a test', at a time when this was nearly unthinkable in most of the world. Deaths are a much more reliable indicator of how hard they really got hit - not very hard, but they know much more about it than most countries.
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Having an extremely low population density, plus no major cities, makes it relatively easy to avoid crowds and other opportunities for interpersonal contact.
I am not sure that is true. Nearly half their population is concentrated into one city, and two-thirds of their country's population live in the capital region. They have a low average population density because of vast areas with little human habitation.

They are low-density in a similar way to New York State.
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Vietnam is another interesting case. Vietnam was where the USS Theodore Roosevelt, with initially more than 100 sailors sick, was thought to have picked up infection. Vietnam is now reporting 320 cases total -- in a population of 93 million. They were apparently in nation-wide lockdown for the first two week of April.
Color me a little bit skeptical. Vietnam could be doing a good job controlling the virus, but that seems like an absurdly low number given their location and that they do a lot of trade within Asia. The first two weeks of April is awfully late in the game, too.

Vietnam is evolving into something beyond its formerly communist self, but it is by no means a liberal democracy. Last I checked, it's still a fairly authoritarian government with an interest in controlling public perception - similar to China in that regard.
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I am not sure that is true. Nearly half their population is concentrated into one city, and two-thirds of their country's population live in the capital region.
But this "concentration" is still very small, on the order of a couple hundred thousand. Still nothing I would describe as a "major city". I've visited Iceland three or four times, in both summer and winter, both as a tourist and on business. I can attest that it is more than possible to go about daily life there, including using public transport and going shopping, without encountering large numbers of people in enclosed spaces. That's something I haven't been able to do in Vienna (which isn't even in the top 20 cities by population in the EU), even now that all the tourists are gone. (We get about 15 million tourist overnight stays per year.)
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I am not sure that is true. Nearly half their population is concentrated into one city, and two-thirds of their country's population live in the capital region. They have a low average population density because of vast areas with little human habitation.

They are low-density in a similar way to New York State.
Their largest city, Reykjavik, has a population of about 131,000 people. By the standards of many continents that's a small city. The greater "metropolitan" region around it is about 223,000 people - which by many standards is still a small city.

Reykjavik's population density is 472/km2. Compared to, say, New York City at 27,750/km2.

Iceland's largest city is, on a global scale, not very large and not very densely populated. That may be a factor in their pandemic experience.
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Vietnam is another interesting case. Vietnam was where the USS Theodore Roosevelt, with initially more than 100 sailors sick, was thought to have picked up infection. Vietnam is now reporting 320 cases total -- in a population of 93 million. They were apparently in nation-wide lockdown for the first two week of April.
I still think part of it is how strong the immunity system gets to be by living in the 3rd world.
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I still think part of it is how strong the immunity system gets to be by living in the 3rd world.
There's zero evidence for this. Why doesn't that work for Ecuador, Peru, and Brazil, which all have relatively high death rates (and for the latter two, getting worse)? And things are likely to get much worse in much of the less developed world.
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Their largest city, Reykjavik, has a population of about 131,000 people. By the standards of many continents that's a small city. The greater "metropolitan" region around it is about 223,000 people - which by many standards is still a small city.

Reykjavik's population density is 472/km2. Compared to, say, New York City at 27,750/km2.

Iceland's largest city is, on a global scale, not very large and not very densely populated. That may be a factor in their pandemic experience.
Icelands population is 360 000 people. More than 1/3 live in a single city, and 2/3s live in the capital city area. That makes them the 11th most urbanized population in the world (and about 5 of the ones ahead of them are city-states) and the 5th most urbanized nation in Europe, with two city-states ahead of them on the list.

Which is the most urbanized nation in Europe, excluding microstates? Belgium actually. Which tends to dominate lists of deaths per million.

Yes, I do think it is quite likely that Iceland's population density has been a factor in their pandemic experience.

Its just not been a positive one.
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Only bad news today in Austria:

  • Another outbreak in a postal distribution centre has occurred, this time in Vienna. 70 workers have been infected, and once again the Army has been called in to help with mail distribution.

  • New infections in a shelter for asylum seekers in Vienna have led to the entire facility being locked down, with 400 now in quarantine.

  • The national reproduction number has risen back up to 1.07. In Lower Austria it is as high as 1.3; in Vienna it is 1.15.

  • Slovenia has reinstituted border controls at the Austria–Slovenia border, after having dropped them on 15 May.

  • In perhaps the first major showing of intergovernmental strife in Austria, the federal government and the city-state government of Vienna are now publically blaming each other for deficiencies in their handling of the pandemic.

  • Current statistics: 16,201 confirmed infections, 629 deaths, 14,614 recovered.
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Only bad news today in Austria:

  • Another outbreak in a postal distribution centre has occurred, this time in Vienna. 70 workers have been infected, and once again the Army has been called in to help with mail distribution.

  • New infections in a shelter for asylum seekers in Vienna have led to the entire facility being locked down, with 400 now in quarantine.

  • The national reproduction number has risen back up to 1.07. In Lower Austria it is as high as 1.3; in Vienna it is 1.15.

  • Slovenia has reinstituted border controls at the Austria–Slovenia border, after having dropped them on 15 May.

  • In perhaps the first major showing of intergovernmental strife in Austria, the federal government and the city-state government of Vienna are now publically blaming each other for deficiencies in their handling of the pandemic.

  • Current statistics: 16,201 confirmed infections, 629 deaths, 14,614 recovered.
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Icelands population is 360 000 people. More than 1/3 live in a single city, and 2/3s live in the capital city area. That makes them the 11th most urbanized population in the world (and about 5 of the ones ahead of them are city-states) and the 5th most urbanized nation in Europe, with two city-states ahead of them on the list.

Which is the most urbanized nation in Europe, excluding microstates? Belgium actually. Which tends to dominate lists of deaths per million.

Yes, I do think it is quite likely that Iceland's population density has been a factor in their pandemic experience.

Its just not been a positive one.
Except... that their "dense" is not very dense by the standards of most nations. Or did you completely ignore the point I made about that? And being an island is somewhat an advantage IF you close the borders soon enough. The downside being getting supplies from elsewhere - I'm assuming Iceland is not independently able to feed itself without imports because that's the case with most islands these days, but I could be wrong on that.

Iceland has had epidemics before, this one is not nearly as devastating to their population as past outbreaks of things like smallpox or measles.

I'll also point out that one reason so many people in Iceland live in/near Reykjavik is because so much of the rest of the place is either ice or volcanoes. Quite a bit of the island is not really suitable to human habitation. But that doesn't mean their densest city is very dense by global standards. As I said, both by population and density on most continents Reykjavik would be a small city, and not that densely populated even if the greater "urban" area contains 2/3 of the island's population.
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To put some numbers to it.

Reykjavik's population density and that of the capital area.
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an average of 1,100 inhabitants per square mile (450 per square kilometer). Density is an average 500 people per square mile (200 per square kilometer) over the larger Capital Region.
Bolding mine.

In context the densest city is Mumbai at 29,650 per square kilometer but they are the outlier. London 5100. NYC 2050 (surprised me not more). Las Vegas 1750. Chicago 1500. Akron 700. You got to get down to Huntsville Alabama to get to 500 and Winston/Salem to get to the 450 of the city itself.

Broomstick's point is well made. One of my sons lives in Huntsville. "Rocket City." A dense urban environment it aint. But more than Reykjavik is!
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Slovenia declares end to pandemic.

CBC: «Slovenia is 1st in Europe to call an end to its coronavirus epidemic»

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/sloven...ders-1.5571040

Any further info? Is their decision based on the low rate of new cases?
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... Slovenia has reinstituted border controls at the Austria–Slovenia border, after having dropped them on 15 May. ...
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Seriously Slovenia may be in GW Bush "Mission accomplished." range. It is a bit premature for that sort of declaration.

I am sorry for the bad days in Austria. It would be wonderful if they can demonstrate a model of getting rates down and keeping them down while finding some level of new normal that can be maintained. Thank you for the updates.
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Not precisely Corona news ... but a huge fucking cyclone is currently bearing down on India and Bangladesh, and hundreds of thousands of people are going to need evacuation, including people in preventative quarantine due to India's lockdown.

Because ordinary old disasters don't stop for medical disasters
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There's zero evidence for this. Why doesn't that work for Ecuador, Peru, and Brazil, which all have relatively high death rates (and for the latter two, getting worse)? And things are likely to get much worse in much of the less developed world.
There was that article in the NYTimes a few weeks ago that gave some speculations as to why certain countries weren't as hard hit. One of the points it made was that in many African countries, the average age is much younger than in Europe and North America, and age seems to be a factor in infection. That, rather than "tougher immune systems", may be a contributing factor to why the disease hasn't been so serious so far in African countries.
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4,894,098 total cases
320,180 dead
1,908,064 recovered

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1,550,294 total cases
91,981 dead
356,383 recovered

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4,804,768 total cases
316,711 dead
1,858,783 recovered

In the US:

1,527,664 total cases
90,978 dead
346,389 recovered
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There was that article in the NYTimes a few weeks ago that gave some speculations as to why certain countries weren't as hard hit. One of the points it made was that in many African countries, the average age is much younger than in Europe and North America, and age seems to be a factor in infection. That, rather than "tougher immune systems", may be a contributing factor to why the disease hasn't been so serious so far in African countries.
Could well be something to that. (And as for good, hard evidence, there's not just a whole lot about anything to do with this pandemic.) Another way of saying this is that in countries like those, a lot of their dead people were already dead.
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I am sorry for the bad days in Austria. It would be wonderful if they can demonstrate a model of getting rates down and keeping them down while finding some level of new normal that can be maintained. Thank you for the updates.
Yeah, I was surprised by all the sudden bad news. Everything was going so well up until a couple days ago. I'm hopeful that it's just a blip. Today's report (which I'm about to post) is back to all good (or at least not bad) news again.
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Today in Austria:
  • Via a multilateral agreement, the borders with Slovakia, Hungary, and the Czech Republic are slated to be opened on 15 June.

  • The Federal Criminal Police Office reports that since the beginning of the coronavirus crisis, crime has gone down by 46.4%.

  • The finance minister has announced that the pool of financial aid covering the salaries of furloughed employees has been restocked with an additional €2 billion, bringing the total amount of aid to €12 billion.

  • Meanwhile, unemployment figures have improved slightly—there are currently 524,000 people out of work, compared with the high point of 588,000 in mid-April. The greatest gains in jobs are from the construction and retail sectors.

  • Vienna International Airport is reporting that passenger figures went down by 100% in April. No surprise there.

  • Current statistics: 16,261 confirmed infections, 632 deaths, 14,678 recovered.
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I still think part of it is how strong the immunity system gets to be by living in the 3rd world.
Your immune system isn't a muscle that you make stronger by working out every day. If it encounters a germ, you might gain immunity. If it doesn't, you won't.

If immune systems working out a lot helped you avoid infection, people with seasonal allergies would kick the shit out of COVID-19. After all, their immune systems work out harder than John Cena.
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Your immune system isn't a muscle that you make stronger by working out every day. If it encounters a germ, you might gain immunity. If it doesn't, you won't.

If immune systems working out a lot helped you avoid infection, people with seasonal allergies would kick the shit out of COVID-19. After all, their immune systems work out harder than John Cena.
I thought the immune system provoking allergies was because it wasnt being challenged by the local environment??

https://www.the-scientist.com/daily-...llergies-34596

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The “hygiene hypothesis” proposes that allergic reactions—in which the immune system misfires on innocuous environmental triggers like pollen or peanuts—are driven by a lack of exposure to parasites or other pathogens. In the absence of these true illness-causing agents, the immune system accidentally attacks similar-looking, harmless compounds in the environment with molecules called immunoglobulin E (IgE) antibodies. Data published today (October 29) in PLOS Computational Biology by a team of researchers in the U.K. help to substantiate that hypothesis.

“It will change how we think about allergens,” said Padraic Fallon, an immunologist at Trinity College, Dublin. “It puts the science behind what we thought might be happening. They’ve elegantly dissected this fundamental question: ‘What is an allergen?’”
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Notre Dame University will have an interesting schedule. It will start early, have no breaks, and end by November. Hopefully when a new spike will occur.
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Notre Dame University will have an interesting schedule. It will start early, have no breaks, and end by November. Hopefully when a new spike will occur.
Huh—you are hoping that a new spike in cases will appear in November? Or do you mean "hopefully before any new spike occurs"?
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