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Linda Tripp has just died.

Wait, at first it was said she was very ill with the virus. Now it is being reported she died of an undisclosed terminal illness.
Wikipedia sez pancreatic cancer.

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Source: Linda Tripp, whistleblower in Clinton sex scandal, dead at 70 from cancer

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That COVID caused her death hasn't been proven, although it sure sounds suspicious.

RIP, Charlotte. You were a medical pioneer without knowing it.
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Yeah, John Prine is the first death of someone I had even heard of before, and I really liked him.

I wish people would read the subject line carefully and distinguish between people who have contracted the virus (which in some cases may be not much more than a minor passing illness) and those who have died.
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Mathematician John Conway, of Conway's Game of Life fame.

Not yet confirmed by news sites, but tweeted by people who knew him.

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...Tim Brooke-Taylor. Dammit.
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Mathematician John Conway, of Conway's Game of Life fame.

Not yet confirmed by news sites, but tweeted by people who knew him.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22843306
This is a big one for me. I remember when the Game of Life article in Martin Gardner's column came out. People were programming it all over the place (including me).

The Math dept. at one college I worked at had him visit for a couple of days. He gave talks, etc. He was absolutely marvelous to hear.

I guess he had more than 3 neighbors with coronavirus.

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...I guess he had more than 3 neighbors with coronavirus.
That's.... an oddly appropriate thought. Assuming the news is true, that probably is more less the cause of his death.

He was on the faculty at Princeton when my husband was a graduate student there. He used to make up games involving coins on a grid, and challenge all and sundry to play him. Sometimes you wanted to make an unbroken path from here to there. Sometimes they were more like "life". I played him a few times, and he always destroyed me. But he was a nice guy, and fun to hang out with, so I would go back and be destroyed again.

He was also a terrific public speaker.
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Goddam it. Conway was one of the great mathematicians of the 20th century, and was productive in a vast range of areas of math. Most people know him from his Game of Life but he did a lot of groundbreaking work in the area of game theory, knot theory, group theory and many other areas. He invented surreal numbers, Conway's arrow notation, the Conway polynomial for knots, the Conway polyhedron notation for classifying polyhedrons, and much more.
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This is a big one for me. I remember when the Game of Life article in Martin Gardner's column came out. People were programming it all over the place (including me).

The Math dept. at one college I worked at had him visit for a couple of days. He gave talks, etc. He was absolutely marvelous to hear.

I guess he had more than 3 neighbors with coronavirus.

He also gave us the game of Sprouts, an absolutely outstanding, IMHO, paper and pencil game.
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He also gave us the game of Sprouts, an absolutely outstanding, IMHO, paper and pencil game.
I've "played" sprouts with the co-inventor Michael Patterson. By that I mean we went thru the motions while he completely dominated me. I could never "see" a strategy for it. (Patterson also attended my PhD defense and once got me a drink.)
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I've "played" sprouts with the co-inventor Michael Patterson. By that I mean we went thru the motions while he completely dominated me. I could never "see" a strategy for it. (Patterson also attended my PhD defense and once got me a drink.)

If you see it as a conflict game like Chess, then you might not find any workable stategies; however, if you treat it like a territorial game like Go or Amazons, then you'll find some that work. The terminology of the game (each starting point having a total of three liberties, for example) tends to guide me to that viewpoint.
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There's a lovely profile of John Conway here from a couple of years ago, for anyone who's interested.

I would count myself among those agreeing that Tim Brooke-Taylor is the worst lost so far
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I've "played" sprouts with the co-inventor Michael Patterson. By that I mean we went thru the motions while he completely dominated me. I could never "see" a strategy for it...
yes, this was exactly my experience playing with Conway. Maybe sometimes I developed a glimmering of strategy, but always way too late for it to do me any good.

He was incredibly inventive. And brilliant, of course.
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Maybe americans don't know him ?
He was one of the Goodies and a friend of the Monty Python crew.
In fact he appearred in "How to Irritate People" with a number of the Pythons.
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Alan Garfield, well known character actor.

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Maybe americans don't know him ?
He was one of the Goodies and a friend of the Monty Python crew.
In fact he appearred in "How to Irritate People" with a number of the Pythons.
The Goodies was never shown here as far as I know. At least anywhere I lived.
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I watched the Goodies, it was on after MPFC on our local PBS station. I'll miss him greatly.
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A HIV researcher dies of coronavirus and people are still discussing singers as the most famous people to die of coronavirus: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/o...ronavirus.html

The death of medical doctors from COVID-19 and people like Gita Ramjee should attract more attention than singers/actresses/actors etc.

It is truly sad what you are doing here.
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I watched the Goodies, it was on after MPFC on our local PBS station. I'll miss him greatly.
It was on our local PBS station in Wisconsin for a brief period in the late '70s (and I remember watcing it a few times), but I don't think it ever got the exposure in the U.S. that Python did, and I wouldn't be surprised if most Americans have never heard of the show or the trio.
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A HIV researcher dies of coronavirus and people are still discussing singers as the most famous people to die of coronavirus: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/03/o...ronavirus.html

The death of medical doctors from COVID-19 and people like Gita Ramjee should attract more attention than singers/actresses/actors etc.

It is truly sad what you are doing here.
Perhaps you have a poor grasp of the meaning of the word "famous"?
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It is truly sad what you are doing here.
A very similar thing happened when Mother Theresa died in the same week that Princess Diana died.

It's "popularity" being mixed up with fame.
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The death of medical doctors from COVID-19 and people like Gita Ramjee should attract more attention than singers/actresses/actors etc.

It is truly sad what you are doing here.
So... Add them to this thread? Conway was a mathematician, not a singer, fwiw. I'm sure there's room here for remembrances of doctors and research scientists.
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I have a far better grasp of what famous means.
It is not my fault you don't know her. She died and you are engaging a silly polemique with me about that? How shameful and evil this is!
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It is not my fault you don't know her. She died and you are engaging a silly polemique with me about that? How shameful and evil this is!
I think perhaps you don't understand the point of the thread. It's not about which COVID-19 deaths are most significant or crushing; it's about which celebrity's death created the biggest shock, and made people realize how big this pandemic is. As Rock Hudson's did for AIDS.

The death of this HIV researcher, while important and tragic, doesn't qualify.
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Bernie Rubin, half of Bernie and Phyls furniture chain in New England passed away yesterday. He was on all the TV ads so many people around here would recognize his face and voice.
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Bernie Rubin, half of Bernie and Phyls furniture chain in New England passed away yesterday. He was on all the TV ads so many people around here would recognize his face and voice.
Oh, that's sad. I wonder how old he was. I suppose the link probably says...
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Apparently not. "Famous" means "known about by many people." That's all it means. You may argue that Ramjee should have been more famous, but the fact is that she wasn't; she was not famous.
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The death of medical doctors from COVID-19 and people like Gita Ramjee should attract more attention than singers/actresses/actors etc.

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I think perhaps you don't understand the point of the thread. It's not about which COVID-19 deaths are most significant or crushing; it's about which celebrity's death created the biggest shock, and made people realize how big this pandemic is. As Rock Hudson's did for AIDS.

The death of this HIV researcher, while important and tragic, doesn't qualify.

This.

Conway sounds like a cool and important guy, but I don't recall having heard of him. John Prine is still the only death I've heard about of someone I knew of before all this.
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Conway sounds like a cool and important guy, but I don't recall having heard of him. John Prine is still the only death I've heard about of someone I knew of before all this.
He was incredibly prominent among those people who might have heard of some mathematicians. Also, I knew him.

(I hadn't actually heard of John Prine, but he sounds famous and important.)
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Tim Brooke-Taylor was very famous in the UK, and a few people in the US might know of him because he originated the Four Yorkshiremen sketch with John Cleese and others. He was a member of the Goodies, which rivalled Monty Python for popular surreal humour, and widely known as a genuinely lovely person.
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This.

Conway sounds like a cool and important guy, but I don't recall having heard of him. John Prine is still the only death I've heard about of someone I knew of before all this.
The Game of Life is really, really huge for computer scientists and mathematicians, and that was only the most popular thing that Conway developed. To even be known in pop culture as a mathematician in the modern age is incredibly rare; the only others are probably Andrew Wiles and John Nash, and the latter only became really well known after he had a movie made about him. Given that we're on a internet message board with an intellectual bent, there are going to be plenty more people who know about Conway than compared to the general public.

So while I can see that to the world in general, Prine is probably the most famous, to the denizens of this board, Conway is much more likely to be better known.

Tim Brooke-Taylor I feel would be more famous to me if I was told what he did; I'm familiar with him being on the At last the 1948 show (or whatever it was) where the 4 Yorkshireman premiered with 2 future Pythons, but I didn't recognize the name without that. All I could tell you about John Prine is that he was a musician; I'm not familiar with any of his work.

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If you don't know John Prine's music, you may know Angel from Montgomery, which he wrote and Bonnie Raitt sang.

This is the article Rolling Stone published after his death.
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Whether or not you like that rootsy style of music, I think most can appreciate Prine's off-kilter sensibility as expressed in his lyrics. One of my favorite examples is his duet with Iris DeMint, "In Spite of Ourselves":


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Still makes me smile. Cheeky and bawdy, yet sweet at the same time.


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He was incredibly prominent among those people who might have heard of some mathematicians. Also, I knew him.

(I hadn't actually heard of John Prine, but he sounds famous and important.)

Yeah, the reverse is the case for me. Although in my case I am fairly familiar with three relatively modern day mathematicians (who were prominent in the past hundred years or so): Godel, von Neumann, and Turing. Funny thing with that is that I know a fair bit about each; I can't think of any that I've just vaguely heard of without being able to say anything specific about them.
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The Game of Life is really, really huge for computer scientists and mathematicians, and that was only the most popular thing that Conway developed.
Check out the latest XKCD.
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... John Nash, and the latter only became really well known after he had a movie made about him.
Conway became famous when Scientific American wrote about him (Gardner, Mathematical Games, 1970). Before the internet, when we read magazines for fun and edification.
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Just saw on Military.com that the actor, Forrest Compton, who played Gomer Pyle's battalion commander, Lt. Col. Edward Gray, died from COVID-19, back on 4 April 2020.
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Oh, that is perfect. Esp. love that it produces a glider that moves on forever. Very symbolic.
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The cause of death is ambiguous, but given the timing and where he lived, covid seems likely.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/114024...as-passed-away

I doubt many people know his name, but his photo shop was huge and influential, so I feel like he belongs in this thread.
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Oh, that is perfect. Esp. love that it produces a glider that moves on forever. Very symbolic.
And he isn't fudging it--that's the actual way that configuration plays out.
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And he isn't fudging it--that's the actual way that configuration plays out.
I figured Randall would do a real one. But that leaves open the question of whether it is original. The glider thing from such a small configuration while maintaining a human shape isn't trivial.
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The cause of death is ambiguous, but given the timing and where he lived, covid seems likely.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/114024...as-passed-away

I doubt many people know his name, but his photo shop was huge and influential, so I feel like he belongs in this thread.
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I figured Randall would do a real one. But that leaves open the question of whether it is original. The glider thing from such a small configuration while maintaining a human shape isn't trivial.
Donno about that--I've never seen it before.
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Sorry, it's in the link's name if you hover over it, no need to click. It's the founder of Adorama Cameras.
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This.

Conway sounds like a cool and important guy, but I don't recall having heard of him. John Prine is still the only death I've heard about of someone I knew of before all this.
If wikipedia page views in the days after someone's death are a measure of their fame, Prine is more famous than Conway (but not by as much as I would have expected)
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Sorry, it's in the link's name if you hover over it, no need to click.
Just to note that this doesn't occur for all. (Could be the browser or the forum-style, but to see what a link says I have to paste to a word-processor--hover doesn't work, here, for me.)
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