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If wikipedia page views in the days after someone's death are a measure of their fame, Prine is more famous than Conway (but not by as much as I would have expected)
But do more people check Wikipedia because they don't know who somebody is, or because they do?
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And he isn't fudging it--that's the actual way that configuration plays out.
He's using some variant of the rules then. Notice that the top center cell, with 4 neighbors, doesn't die in the first generation.
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He's using some variant of the rules then. Notice that the top center cell, with 4 neighbors, doesn't die in the first generation.
I plugged it into this and got the exact same thing Monroe did. I wasn't guessing when I said he got it right.
(That app, BTW, has hundreds of stored configurations, none of which--as far as I could find--are the waving man.)
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Or try this, with the stick figure already loaded.

https://bitstorm.org/gameoflife/

(see note at the bottom of the grid. It's taken from XKCD, not vice-versa)
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If wikipedia page views in the days after someone's death are a measure of their fame...
Is it though? I looked up Prine on wikipedia because I didn't know who he was. I didn't need to look up John Conway.
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Is it though? I looked up Prine on wikipedia because I didn't know who he was. I didn't need to look up John Conway.
Yes, I'm sure it is. Most people wouldn't be interested enough in who Conway was to look him up. You're very much an outlier.
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If wikipedia page views in the days after someone's death are a measure of their fame, Prine is more famous than Conway (but not by as much as I would have expected)

Interesting graph. It's about 8 to 1, which is a fairly big difference. I mean, Prine was on late night network shows like Colbert's a number of times (not to mention all those Grammy nominations, and three wins), and both Colbert and 60 MInutes's John Dickerson were huge devotees.
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Lee Konitz, jazz saxophonist with 75-year career, dies of coronavirus aged 92: The Chicago-born alto saxophonist played with Miles Davis on Birth of the Cool, and was heralded for his bold improvisatory style
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The cause of death is ambiguous, but given the timing and where he lived, covid seems likely.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/114024...as-passed-away

I doubt many people know his name, but his photo shop was huge and influential, so I feel like he belongs in this thread.
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Sorry, it's in the link's name if you hover over it, no need to click. It's the founder of Adorama Cameras.
Sheesh, puzzlegal, why canít you just come right out and state the personís name??? Why be so... so... puzzling about it? The manís name is Mendel Mendlowits. He was 76.
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Who, indeed. But apparently he was locally influential.
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Just to note that this doesn't occur for all. (Could be the browser or the forum-style, but to see what a link says I have to paste to a word-processor--hover doesn't work, here, for me.)
oh, sorry, i didn't realize. It works on all the browsers i use.

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Sheesh, puzzlegal, why canít you just come right out and state the personís name??? Why be so... so... puzzling about it? The manís name is Mendel Mendlowits. He was 76.Who, indeed. But apparently he was locally influential.
Because it's extra work? I'd have had to meticulously select the name from the link, and then paste it. And reading it in the name of the link is easy for me, and I didn't realize it wasn't easy for everyone. And also, I honestly doubt anyone would recognize the name, so it didn't seem very interesting.

I wasn't intending to be puzzling or obscure. Honestly, I thought the first post, with the conveniently named link, had all the info anyone would want unless they actually wanted to read the linked obit.
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Also, on any other chat site I frequent, I would have included it, because I would have copied the first paragraph or three from the linked article. But this site has a much lower tolerance for copypasta than most (related to the much higher concern for copyright) so instead of copying part of the article, I thought about what I wanted to include from it, and realized that pretty much everything I wanted to say was in the URL. So I just added a comment, since the URL had all the important information.

{shrug}

I always look at the URL when I have any interest in what might be at the other end. It never occured to me I was being cryptic.

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oh, sorry, i didn't realize. It works on all the browsers i use.
Did you try device browsers too? Mouseover on my Win10 laptop revealed the article title with name and subject, but I can't mouseover on my Android tablet or phone. I skip unknown links - it's only prudent. There be monsters...
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It's just kinda weird. You came back to tell us that it was the founder of Adorama Cameras rather than say his name. I was starting to wonder "Is his name Adolf Shithead or something?"
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John Prine wasn't THAT famous. He was more of a guy other famous people were fans of and looked up to and had a cult following. He never had a "hit" and his commercial peak was his debut album and Best New Artist nomination almost 50 years ago. Had a long career and influence for sure, but not that much celebrity. That said, for this topic he was probably the most famous. I'm sure millions more people saw Crocodile Dundee and could pick "Richard" out of a lineup than identify John Prine, but character actors who are pretty much "That Guys" don't have much fame. Perhaps the same for Adam from Fountains of Wayne, since most people have heard one of their songs and/or "That Thing You Do" and he had some level of celebrity in his own right but not that wide.
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I'm a John Prine fan, but he was probably most famous for being not as famous as he should be, if that makes sense....
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I plugged it into this and got the exact same thing Monroe did. I wasn't guessing when I said he got it right.
(That app, BTW, has hundreds of stored configurations, none of which--as far as I could find--are the waving man.)
That's ok. It's not Conway's game of life if it uses a Von Neumann neighborhood, but I agree that it's a fitting tribute.
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It's just kinda weird. You came back to tell us that it was the founder of Adorama Cameras rather than say his name. I was starting to wonder "Is his name Adolf Shithead or something?"
I know how to spell all those words. And I bet a LOT more people have heard of Adorama Camera than know the guy's name. (which I don't, for instance.)
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FWIW I had never heard of John Prine or his music, but am very familiar with Joe Diffie.
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So this is an "Is he or isn't he?" situation:

Nicaragua's president Daniel Ortega hasn't been seen in a month
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I'd say he's famous. Next question?
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John Prine died April 7 from complications related to coronavirus. The Grammy-winning folk and country singer-songwriter was 73. He had been hospitalized March 26 and placed on a ventilator two days later.
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So this is an "Is he or isn't he?" situation:

Nicaragua's president Daniel Ortega hasn't been seen in a month
Apparently, he got better
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That's ok. It's not Conway's game of life if it uses a Von Neumann neighborhood, but I agree that it's a fitting tribute.
It does use a Moore neighborhood; the top center cell does die out in the first iteration step. See the link posted above by Peter Morris: https://bitstorm.org/gameoflife/

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The sister of a claimant King of Spain, Maria Teresa of Bourbon-Parma the "Red Princess", died of Covid-19 on 26 March. She was a professor, a socialist activist, and ó although I'd never heard of her ó quite famous in some circles.

For me, John Conway is, by far, the most famous of all mentioned. I'd never met him, but have a friend who was nearby when he invented Life, and especially when he invented the surreal numbers for game theory. My friend vividly remembers Conway's eyes "wild with the excitement of this discovery."

The term "surreal numbers" was coined by Donald Knuth in a book of the same name, in which he shows huge respect for this great mathematician by naming him with the Tetragrammaton as " J. H. W. H. Conway"!

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Sorry, it's in the link's name if you hover over it, no need to click. It's the founder of Adorama Cameras.
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Just to note that this doesn't occur for all. (Could be the browser or the forum-style, but to see what a link says I have to paste to a word-processor--hover doesn't work, here, for me.)
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oh, sorry, i didn't realize. It works on all the browsers i use.



Because it's extra work? I'd have had to meticulously select the name from the link, and then paste it. And reading it in the name of the link is easy for me, and I didn't realize it wasn't easy for everyone. And also, I honestly doubt anyone would recognize the name, so it didn't seem very interesting.

I wasn't intending to be puzzling or obscure. Honestly, I thought the first post, with the conveniently named link, had all the info anyone would want unless they actually wanted to read the linked obit.
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Did you try device browsers too? Mouseover on my Win10 laptop revealed the article title with name and subject, but I can't mouseover on my Android tablet or phone. I skip unknown links - it's only prudent. There be monsters...
Not to beat a dead horse, but note that there is no "hovering" on smartphones and tablets I wouldn't be surprised if that constitutes at least half of the board's readers.

I don't click on blind links. I would be in favor of a rule that the point of a post should be in the post and clicking a link shouldn't be needed to understand it.
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There is no "hovering" on Android, but if you long-press it tells you the URL and asks if you want to open it.
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Yeah, I really didn't expect anyone to click on the link, I only included a live link as a source. I just expected people to read the name of the link, which was of the form "source, name of person who died, here's who he was". Anyway, I apologize for not realizing first that the site software was going to obscure the name of the link, and second that it's harder than I realized for others to read that obscured name.
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Hmm, maybe I should try one of the few buttons in this edit window...

https://www.dpreview.com/news/114024...as-passed-away

Is that better?

eta: nope, it still shortens the name so you can't just read it out.

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Just type the relevant information in your post, would be my suggestion. This is a message board after all. Not a list of links
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Isn't there a tag to show the full link without shortening?
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Just type the relevant information in your post, would be my suggestion. This is a message board after all. Not a list of links
I'm not a great typist. And I'm particularly bad at remembering weird names. SO much easier to cut and paste existing text (like the link, which conveniently had the full name, who he was, and that he died of covid all spelled out.) And I was on my phone, which is bad for typing (but which does let me preview the name of a link.)

Anyway, I apologize to those who had trouble reading my post. It wasn't my intention.
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As a fellow cut'n'paste person, my suggestion is copy/paste the address and the headline. I personally like to clean it up and ue the proper tags but you'd be fine just pasting those two bits together.
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Yes, that's what I do on other sites I chat on. I didn't do it here because this site is much fussier about copyright than anyplace else I post. So I was trying to respect that.

Anyway, here's another death that hits home. (Although he was 91 and no cause of death is mentioned, so maybe it's something else. But he lived in NJ, so covid is likely.)

Mort Drucker, Master of the Mad Caricature, Is Dead at 91 https://nyti.ms/2ViYpIn
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Yes, that's what I do on other sites I chat on. I didn't do it here because this site is much fussier about copyright than anyplace else I post. So I was trying to respect that.
No one here is going to get upset with copying headlines. That's definitely not a copyright violation.
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Anyway, here's another death that hits home. (Although he was 91 and no cause of death is mentioned, so maybe it's something else. But he lived in NJ, so covid is likely.)

Mort Drucker, Master of the Mad Caricature, Is Dead at 91 https://nyti.ms/2ViYpIn
Drucker lived in Woodbury NY, not NJ, but COVID is prevalent there too and also it's 30 minutes from NYC. According to the local paper, Newsday:
Woodbury Total Cases: 143
Cases per 100K people: 1,662
https://projects.newsday.com/long-is...n-long-island/

It looks like he's not being counted as a COVID death:
According to NBC, "his daughter did not give a specific cause of death and said that he was not tested for the coronavirus. He died at his home in Woodbury, New York"
According to this article, https://heavy.com/news/2020/04/mort-drucker-death/
"CNNís Jake Tapper tweeted that it was not coronavirus. ďA friend of Mort Druckerís, cartoonist John Reiner, emails me: ĎIím sorry to say that Mort passed away last night. I saw him last Friday-he was having trouble breathing Ė Was not the Coronavirus as he was quarantined for weeks with no other outside contactÖĒ

On the other hand "having trouble breathing" sounds like coronavirus and there have been cases of self-quarantined people somehow catching it. So basically his cause of death is still undetermined.

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Donald Reed Herring, 86, oldest brother of Elizabeth Warren.

Elizabeth Warrenís oldest brother dies of covid-19, Washington Post, April 23, 2020.

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I happened to see the movie Music and Lyrics earlier this week, and as the closing credits rolled I made sure to pay attention to the actual songwriter of the original music in the film, as I thought they did a good job of presenting songs that could plausibly be pop hits (both in the '80s and in 2007, the "present day" of the setting). Then I saw it was Adam Schlesinger. I was sort of glad I didn't know that while watching, as it would have added a melancholy tinge not appropriate to the movie's lighthearted tone. But I'm also glad I found out. Very well done, RIP.
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For me, John Conway was the biggest name. A couple years ago, I ended up driving him around town on a visit to Montreal and he was in pretty bad shape. I was surprised to find he was a year younger than me.

I forget the name and he wasn't famous, but a man died this week of the virus whose twin brother died (as an infant) of the flu in 1919. His son described the twins as "bookends".
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Yeah, and then I saw another report about someone who survived the Spanish flu in 1918 but succumbed to Covid-19 this week.
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I forget the name and he wasn't famous, but a man died this week of the virus whose twin brother died (as an infant) of the flu in 1919. His son described the twins as "bookends".
Yes, I was reading about that. One twin died as an infant of the Spanish flu, and the other twin died of covid-19 at 100. Amazing.
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Yes, I was reading about that. One twin died as an infant of the Spanish flu, and the other twin died of covid-19 at 100. Amazing.
Yes, amazing. The twins were born on December 5, 1919.
Samuel Kahn died circa 1919-1920 of the 1918 H1N1 pandemic ó he was only a few weeks old.
Philip Kahn died of the H1N1 COVID-19 pandemic ó he was 100 when he died on April 17, 2020.
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No one here is going to get upset with copying headlines. That's definitely not a copyright violation.
Unless you're copying headlines from the online IT news site, "TheRegister.Co.UK" (byting the hand that feeds IT), who took it to court and won. In which case it is a well-known copyright violation, in some circumstances, in at least one court system.


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Philip Kahn died of the H1N1 COVID-19 pandemic ó he was 100 when he died on April 17, 2020.
I had to look twice. Phillip Kahn was only famous to his family and friends, but Philippe Kahn (not, as far as I know, dead) has a very similar name.
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FWIW I had never heard of John Prine or his music, but am very familiar with Joe Diffie.
I had heard of him, but always in the context of some other country or folk star talking about how awesome he was, or what a big influence he was or something like that.
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While, I've heard of a few of those that have died as noted in this thread, no one really famous, with wide recognition has succumbed to this disease yet, IMHO.
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I would agree. John Prine was a big deal to me, but I never expected the average person to know him.
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Roy Horn of Siegfried and Roy died from this, at 75.

He's the one who was permanently disabled after being mauled by one of the lions a while back.
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Roy Horn of Siegfried and Roy died from this, at 75.

He's the one who was permanently disabled after being mauled by one of the lions a while back.
A tiger, actually.
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