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Getting old HURTS!


I've had "splatter-my-brains-all-over-the-ceiling" migraines ever since I was a kid. And my knees have always been defective.

But why is it as the candles multiply on my birthday cake, more parts of my body wind up screaming in pain?

I've always had neck pain in conjunction with my migraines. But then the neck business elbow-bumped the headaches to the ditch, and took over. Now mind you, I've complained of neck pain for more than twenty years, and nothing much happened. It wasn't until I had a torn rotator cuff repaired that someone (the shoulder surgeon) listened to me complaining of neck pain. He sent me for a neck MRI, then referred me to a neck pain specialist.

The neck doctor looked at the MRI and said, "Of course your neck hurts! You've got a pinched nerve!"



The neck doctor is a pain management specialist. My primary care provider had an attitude of disdain about that specialty.

So what? My neck pain was making me so miserable, I spent a great deal of the day just sitting, not moving, to avoid pain. Pain management gave me a good portion of my life back.

A couple of months ago, my neck doctor referred me to a neurosurgeon to see if I was a candidate for spinal fusion. Answer: not yet. But the neurosurgeon gave me a prescription for Celebrex.

I started taking it, and I had no belly pain, no vomiting blood, so I figured I'd keep taking it and see how it worked on the pain.

I was able to do more. And with six people in the jouse under the shelter-in-place situation, there's a helluva lot more to do! Managing the meals to accommodate Mr VOW's no-salt restrictions is practically a full-time job!

As time went on, I could tell when the Celebrex wore off. Then all work would stop, and you'd find Gramma sitting in her recliner with her neck pillow.

About a week ago, there was a slight change. When the Celebrex wore off, my right collarbone hurt. The next day or two, the pain moved from my collarbone to the inside of my shoulder joint. Kind of like a red hot railroad spike was being pounded into the joint.

As the days passed, I added upper arm pain.

I saw the neck doctor yesterday. I said I needed to know if the coolarbone-shoulder-arm pain was caused by my neck, or was it something completely different and I needed to go to my Primary Care doctor?

It's my neck.

I've got arthritis and a handful of other things wrong with my neck. It's a degenerative disease.

Why does old age have to HURT?


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Oh, ~VOW , my evil twin. I feel for you.
Is there no PT or better drugs?
I draw the line on pain when it hurts so bad I can't 'rest.' I don't sleep well, but I can grab some quality 'rest'.

Gentle {{{hugs}}}, feel better soon. We need our resident Smartass around here.
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Oh, ~VOW , my evil twin. I feel for you.
Is there no PT or better drugs?
I draw the line on pain when it hurts so bad I can't 'rest.' I don't sleep well, but I can grab some quality 'rest'.

Gentle {{{hugs}}}, feel better soon. We need our resident Smartass around here.

PT has helped but I discontinued it first because of Mr VOW's heart attack and subsequent rehab, and of course, shelter-in-place.

I would be apprehensive to try PT after this new development!

I'm on Percocet. I now have a Rx for Celebrex, twice a day, and a Rx for Lidocaine patches.

The Celebrex may be messing with my blood pressure. I've got to monitor that now, daily.

I think I'll buy stock in heating pads.


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Why does old age have to HURT?
Getting old isn't for the weak, that's for sure.

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Does that mean us sissy folks don't have to get old? *whistling angel halo smiley*
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Think about the alternatives.

Remember that kid you vaguely knew in high school who got killed in a car accident? They said the car was going too fast and the driver was drunk.

Would you rather be that kid who avoided all the miseries of old age than you?

PS. It sounds like you haven't been married very long. If you had you could have taught Mr. Wow how to cook!

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Tee hee!

Mr.WOW can sure cook!
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Mr VOW knows how to cook. He isn't familiar with how the salt restriction stuff works.

Mr VOW has seizure disorder which developed in 2005 and that led us to retire at the end of 2005, because of complications. In 2007 he developed Parkinson's Disease, which we found to be related to his migraines. He takes strong drugs for the management of both.

The drugs and the diseases have affected him. Sometimes it's bits of memory, other times it can be "fitting the pieces of puzzle together."

He can be helpful, or then again, he can forget about doing what I just asked him. But if I remind him again, then I'm nagging. I have to pick my battles.

And sometimes, it's just easier to do the damned thing myself.

As for married life, next month we celebrate our forty-sixth anniversary. We've got two grown kids, three grandkids. We have a good life.

Quite a few of my high school classmates are gone now. Some were very dear to me, and I'll miss them. Comparing myself to one of them is inane. The arthritis in my neck is the latest in a long, long line of difficulties in my life. My biggest one is that I'm almost completely deaf. I don't think disabilities are something you can trade off with other people, nor would I want to.

Believe it or not, I like my life. I really do. But pain, chronic pain depresses the living shit out of me sometimes, and I posted here to blow off steam.


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~VOW, you two young marrieds are so cute.

Isn't it funny how an ability in one aides/abets an inability of another, in folks who co-habitate?
Curious how that works.
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I've told many people that both of us are falling apart and so decrepit that the two of us together make one whole person!


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Sequential frozen shoulders is sheer hell. No sooner did the right shoulder get back to more or less normal range of motion without (very much) pain than the left one decided that looked like fun and now it's doing stupid shit. It's really amazing how much you need your shoulders--I thought the bad hip, bad knee and bad back sucked but this is a whole 'nother magnitude of suckage and I Do Not Approve. Harumph. Can't take anything for it either because I'm on blood thinners. Yeah. Not impressed.
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Get used to it. I remember my 92yo mother complaining that every single part of her hurt. I'm almost caught up with her. It seems that every day there's a new pain somewhere. And it's cumulative. And the only painkiller I'm allowed to take is Tylenol, which doesn't do much.

And these days, I'm afraid to go to any medical facility.
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I feel your pain. Like, literally.

Thing is I’m a little undersized, so most table heights etc are all a titch to high, couches a sliver to high, etc. So I have spent a lifetime squirrelling up one leg under me, or discreetly sitting cross legged beneath the table linen. Same on a couch or any seat where my feet aren’t quite to the floor fully, one or both legs end up beneath me. And, while I’ve never weighed much, I’ve always been pretty strong, wiry and bendy. That Asian squat? I could do it for days!

And then, suddenly in my mid sixties, nuh uh, not no more. Five, six minutes tops till my bones start to sing with pain. I’m so thick headed, it’s taken me ages to break this habit, even though I end up in pain for hours or days. Slowly though I’m getting it. I’m not happy about it, but I’m getting it. I can still bend, squat, sit cross legged, etc, just not for very long is all. I pay very close attention now, and straighten up smartly and swiftly.

I’m not complaining too loudly, things could be so much worse, of course, but it’s extremely annoying followed by both physical pain and the painful knowledge that I should have KNOWN better! I do know better!

Still sucks!
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For me, only comparatively recently. Sciatica, and it sucks. I'm not seventy yet, and overall still feel young, but age is creeping up on me. No cognitive decline that I've noticed, though I was remembering a very kind and attractive women who was my neighbor around twenty years ago, give or take a year, and she was very helpful when I was facing a crisis,--and dang!--I can't remember her name. We weren't too close, --she had another guy and all that--and a fabulous Aussie cattle dog. Maybe it's because we lived next-door, so it was "hi" rather than "John" or "Susan".
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My health has always been pretty good; just about the only time I saw a doctor was for regular physicals and the occasional "I'm not feeling well, so I think I'd better get it checked out" visit.

Then a few years ago everything started to go to hell. Chest pains led to having two stents installed, an MRI showed that I had fatty liver disease, I developed bleeding in my stomach which has meant multiple endoscopies and periodic blood infusions for anemia.

I think my warrantee expired.
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I've told many people that both of us are falling apart and so decrepit that the two of us together make one whole person!
As my missus reminds me anytime we win at life, "Two half wits make a whole wit."

If I may attribute more insightfulness to evolution than it deserves: Once you're past breeding age, you've really not got much to contribute to the tribe that someone younger and more productive can do better and with less complaining. And don't say "but experience..." because we all know old people memories are unreliable. When your kids are old enough to breed, your job is almost over. Your final act is one of self-sacrifice. You see, even worn out and obsolete, nobody really wants to get eaten by predators. The only way to keep the old people from running from danger instead of sacrificing themselves for the safety of the breeders, is to make it painful to even move. Just sit there and take your eating so the rest of the tribe can escape. And that's why getting old hurts.

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My brother and I used to joke that between us we had enough working parts to assemble one reasonably functional person. Couldn't even manage that these days.

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I feel your pain. Like, literally.

Thing is Iím a little undersized, so most table heights etc are all a titch to high, couches a sliver to high, etc. So I have spent a lifetime squirrelling up one leg under me, or discreetly sitting cross legged beneath the table linen. Same on a couch or any seat where my feet arenít quite to the floor fully, one or both legs end up beneath me. And, while Iíve never weighed much, Iíve always been pretty strong, wiry and bendy. That Asian squat? I could do it for days!

And then, suddenly in my mid sixties, nuh uh, not no more. Five, six minutes tops till my bones start to sing with pain. Iím so thick headed, itís taken me ages to break this habit, even though I end up in pain for hours or days. Slowly though Iím getting it. Iím not happy about it, but Iím getting it. I can still bend, squat, sit cross legged, etc, just not for very long is all. I pay very close attention now, and straighten up smartly and swiftly.

Iím not complaining too loudly, things could be so much worse, of course, but itís extremely annoying followed by both physical pain and the painful knowledge that I should have KNOWN better! I do know better!

Still sucks!
I'm tall and long waisted. I have to bend at nearly every table or counter at just enough bend to hurt like heck. When we built the house I made my counter tops 3 inches higher to eliminate that slight bend at my mid-section.
I truly believe it was genius on my part.
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I'm tall and long waisted. I have to bend at nearly every table or counter at just enough bend to hurt like heck. When we built the house I made my counter tops 3 inches higher to eliminate that slight bend at my mid-section.
I truly believe it was genius on my part.
HaHaHa, I had the exact reverse done in my kitchen! Trying to chop or mix on a counter thatís up too high is brutal in the neck and shoulders. My side counter is exactly the right height for me to comfortably chop, knead, whatever. It IS genius. It should be a standard upgrade for every kitchen rehab, one surface at tailor made counter height, LOVE mine!
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I remember being young, allergies and tight hamstrings were my only known problems. But, we suspected I had scoliosis and it turns out we were right. Stemming from slightly twisted hips. Dysplasia, I think is the word. Hard to believe I once ran distance. The displaysia and lack of doing anything about it when I was a wee baby has resulted in the aforementioned scoliosis, severe sciatica, bad knees, etc. I need to see a specialist but I can't decide which one I need to see first.

Suggestions welcome.

The GP just tells me to lose weight. Well, it would be easier if I could exercise without excruciating pain.
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Ow, VOW, that must hurt and how!

Pain specialists are da bomb. (I like outdated terms.) They're literally lifesavers, as I think chronic pain is bad for the entire body. So there's nothing to do for the pinched nerve? Can't they unpinch it somehow? Maybe lure the vertebrae with candy so it lets go?

I'm so sorry for everyone's pain. I have back pain that I think is age-related. All my other joint pains are from lupus. I used to say lupus was practice for old age.

elbows, I hear you on the strains involved with being short. I've always had to stand on tiptoe when chopping vegetables.

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To clarify: chopping vegetables that are on the kitchen counter. I don't have to stand on tiptoe to get eye-to-eye with a potato.
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I'm in a state of chronic mild-to-medium pain, stemming largely from life-long scoliosis, and it's been getting oh-so-gradually worse over the years. I've been able to keep it controlled to a generally tolerable level by chowing down on ibuprofen or acetaminophen.

But to keep (relatively) comfortable, I have had to cut way down on physical activities. This is what really gets me down -- all the activities that I can't comfortably do any more.

Oh, to be sure, I could still do most of the recreational stuff I've always done (even if just barely). But I get really sore really fast, and that just takes all the fun out of things. So one of my biggest beefs is that I just can't enjoy a lot of things any more.

As an added insult, that also includes some kinds of exercise. I used to me big into hiking. That, in turn, kept me in good cardiovascular condition. As I had to give that up mostly, I've become increasingly sedentary, to the point to being nearly downright sessile. I've lost all my cardio fitness, and it's now an exhausting hike to get from my bedroom to the bathroom sometimes. These days, I spend most of my time sitting in front of my computer, reading stuff on-line, including the Dope.

Pile on some arthritis and chronic bronchitis and a touch of asthma on top of that.
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Can you imagine if you took your 16 year old self and plugged it in to your "now" body and said: "Here you go kiddo, this is what is in store for you in 30 or 40 years."


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dont you love people who think the answer to all physical problems is "lose some weight"?
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dont you love people who think the answer to all physical problems is "lose some weight"?

The cherry on top is when your Primary Care Provider says, "I don't believe in weight loss surgery."

Let me add: your SKINNY Primary Care Provider...


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dont you love people who think the answer to all physical problems is "lose some weight"?
Except for a brief period in my late twenties (when I had decided to "do something" about my weight and managed to lose about fifty pounds in less than a year and then promptly put it all back on) I've been overweight since college. Just about every time I had a physical my doctor would suggest that I really should lose weight, primarily because I had knee problems. However, they never pressed the issue because my blood pressure was consistently 120/80 and my weight never really affected my ability to get around.

Of course, that's changed now. Although the primary reason for me to lose weight is because of my liver and borderline diabetes. My blood pressure is still fine; in fact, after my stents were installed I was put on blood pressure medication, but then taken off it because my blood pressure was getting dangerously low.
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To be fair to the "lose some weight" crowd. They are right. It would be less stress on our joints if we could lose weight. But when you can't exercise, and I do mean 'can't', the options are, umm, slim. There's starve yourself or you can starve yourself. Admittedly, if I could move around more, I would probably eat less. It's a dilemma.
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To be fair to the "lose some weight" crowd. They are right. It would be less stress on our joints if we could lose weight. But when you can't exercise, and I do mean 'can't', the options are, umm, slim. There's starve yourself or you can starve yourself. Admittedly, if I could move around more, I would probably eat less. It's a dilemma.
Sadly, eating less is the surest way to lose weight. It ain't easy.
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And it’s largely why they press now, BEFORE you become unable to change your weight because you can no longer really exercise.
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dont you love people who think the answer to all physical problems is "lose some weight"?
Almost as much as the "reduce stress!" assholes. Doncha just love 'em?

Wound up at a doctor's office years ago because my stomach problems were so bad. That was their first suggestion. Their second suggestion really shoulda been where I could hide the body of whoever made the first one.

Dude. Unless you're handing me a magic wand along with that "ya oughta be less stressed out!!" suggestion - or if you want to be helpful, the number of a really good assassin, who also works for free, or hell just one helluva winning lottery ticket - you're pretty much simply adding on to the pile.

Gentle hugs, maybe some CBD ointment, and a nice, hot cuppa tea for everyone all around!

No Tylenol, some of our livers can't take the abuse. No aspirin, some of our stomachs can't take the abuse.

Can everyone here still enjoy a communal round of Advil? Maybe we'll pass around an ibuprofen bottle, the way we used to pass around something else.
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And itís largely why they press now, BEFORE you become unable to change your weight because you can no longer really exercise.
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And itís largely why they press now, BEFORE you become unable to change your weight because you can no longer really exercise.
Which is why if I had the chance to pass a message to my younger self it would be "The all-you-can-eat meals at the student cafeteria are not a personal challenge. And it wouldn't hurt to get into the habit of exercising regularly."
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Maybe a separate topic... What is the "normal" age for pain stuff to start? I'm not there - yet. But, it may be in the not too distant future.
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Almost as much as the "reduce stress!" assholes. Doncha just love 'em?

Wound up at a doctor's office years ago because my stomach problems were so bad. That was their first suggestion. Their second suggestion really shoulda been where I could hide the body of whoever made the first one.

Dude. Unless you're handing me a magic wand along with that "ya oughta be less stressed out!!" suggestion - or if you want to be helpful, the number of a really good assassin, who also works for free, or hell just one helluva winning lottery ticket - you're pretty much simply adding on to the pile.

Gentle hugs, maybe some CBD ointment, and a nice, hot cuppa tea for everyone all around!

No Tylenol, some of our livers can't take the abuse. No aspirin, some of our stomachs can't take the abuse.

Can everyone here still enjoy a communal round of Advil? Maybe we'll pass around an ibuprofen bottle, the way we used to pass around something else.
I heard that ibuprofen was implicated in worsening COVID19 symptoms and scared me off it. Lots of aches and pains I just have to ignore now. Anyone else hear this rumor? True? Crazy?
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Maybe a separate topic... What is the "normal" age for pain stuff to start? I'm not there - yet. But, it may be in the not too distant future.

I had a boss who informed me that "after 50 everything hurts."

Unfortunately, he was right.


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Maybe a separate topic... What is the "normal" age for pain stuff to start? I'm not there - yet. But, it may be in the not too distant future.
There isn't one. The correct question is "when does the pain get bad enough to be debilitating/not ignore?"

There is no one correct answer, circumstances et al vary, but I started feelin it just a teeny tiny bit mid 30s. Recovery was a bit slower, aches and pains were a bit more common.

Now I'm about to turn 50 and I've seriously (sorta) been considering moving to a less physically demanding job the past couple years. I don't though, because I know from experience, the physical pain I will feel will be worse than the considerable discomforts induced by my current occupation.
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Maybe a separate topic... What is the "normal" age for pain stuff to start?
Just like on cars of a certain age, stuff starts breaking at an increasing rate and it's hard to keep up with the repairs. At some point you just resign yourself to that particular bit not working right or being 'healed' with your body's equivalent of duct tape and scavenged wire. Individually these things are not so bad, but they compound on one another and the whispers of a thousand physical insults is relentless. At what age do you get sick of dealing and start whining? I think that depends a lot on your mileage, but I'd say the trap snaps between age 40-60. People younger than 40 with chronic pain, and people over 60 with no complaints, are unusual cases.
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I had a boss who informed me that "after 50 everything hurts."
And everything either dries up or leaks.
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To be fair to the "lose some weight" crowd. They are right. It would be less stress on our joints if we could lose weight. But when you can't exercise, and I do mean 'can't', the options are, umm, slim. There's starve yourself or you can starve yourself. Admittedly, if I could move around more, I would probably eat less. It's a dilemma.
Unless you run marathons and stuff, it's hard to exercise enough so that you can lose much weight that way.

Also, starving yourself not only doesn't work because you can't keep it up, but ultimately it will backfire and you'll gain the weight back, and then some.

You lose weight by changing what you eat and drink to healthier options than you're eating now. The details of that will vary considerably from one person to the next, but that's the gist of it. Find healthy stuff that you like, and eat more of it. Eat (and drink; sugared beverages will undermine any diet) less of the stuff that you know is bad for you. Not saying it's easy (if it were, we'd all be slim!), but it's doable.

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Reading these posts is really scary.

When I was in my late 20's an elderly gentleman told me "Whatever you do don't
get old - it really sucks." Now many years later I wish I had taken his advice.

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I remember being young, allergies and tight hamstrings were my only known problems. But, we suspected I had scoliosis and it turns out we were right. Stemming from slightly twisted hips. Dysplasia, I think is the word. Hard to believe I once ran distance. The displaysia and lack of doing anything about it when I was a wee baby has resulted in the aforementioned scoliosis, severe sciatica, bad knees, etc. I need to see a specialist but I can't decide which one I need to see first.

Suggestions welcome.

The GP just tells me to lose weight. Well, it would be easier if I could exercise without excruciating pain.
I suggest you start by getting a different GP
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Can everyone here still enjoy a communal round of Advil? Maybe we'll pass around an ibuprofen bottle, the way we used to pass around something else.
Nope, avoid Advil as well. From the Mayo Clinic
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Certain medications. Several drugs are associated with an increased risk of diverticulitis, including steroids, opioids and nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, such as ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin IB, others) and naproxen sodium (Aleve).
My husband can no longer take ibuprofen, Tylenol does nothing for his headaches and aspirin is also a no-go. He has something else from the doctor which helps a bit, but sometimes he just suffers.
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I think I was born with a hurting back. As a young person I abused it mercilessly. And being a 'drama' Priness I tell everyone my aches and pains. 'Cause I like sympathy.

My family ignores my whining. Jerks!
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