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Old 01-22-2019, 03:00 AM
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Belkar went out that door not too long ago and didn't have any difficulty. There were runes on the floor then, too, and he was definitely Evil at that time. I don't think that's what the runes are for. Most likely they seal the door, so the vampires couldn't vapor around it.

Now the runes are in two sets, one set inside two parallel lines that we see in both strips, and the others further inside the Temple. We never see that second area in any previous strips. So they could be new, laid down since the party left the temple. But there's only a couple low level clerics in the temple, so likely they didn't add any.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:51 AM
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What's Roy doing in the first panel? It almost looks like he's casting.

ETA: Never mind, I forgot about the runestone.

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Old 01-22-2019, 05:35 AM
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Is there any way of assessing Hilgya’s Level, based on the spells we’ve seen her use? ‘Cos Durkon should be two lower than that.
Not really. She may have been the same level as Durkon on Dorukan's Dungeon, but maybe not. Since then Durkon has gained a lot of levels, who knows how many HGilgya has. Although evil opposites, they're not rivals in the sense Crystal was, so she doesn't get the free level upgrade.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:58 AM
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Old 01-22-2019, 11:39 AM
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The only problem with Belkar thinking he just crossed some anti-Evil runes, is that his Knowledge(magic) is almost certainly zero, so he won't know what any particular runes do. He may suspect it, but he'll have to confirm it with a magic user. And of course, we don't know for certain exactly what he was looking at. He could be just looking at Durkon. Although I'll admit I can't interpret his expression in that case.

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Old 01-22-2019, 11:45 AM
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I assumed it was just a "huh-wha?" sort of look at Durkon suddenly yelling about his mom.
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:19 AM
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In which EVERYBODY wishes they could grow up to be Sigdi Thundershield.

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Old 01-25-2019, 10:38 AM
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Woo, holy smokes that left-turned on me. I thought we were going with the 'Sigdi and Hilgya bond over how dorky boys are' concept and instead there's a heavy helping of, "Bitch, you get one of those" concept.
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:39 AM
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:46 AM
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And I think Burlew has a kid. No real evidence other than he nails baby facial expressions being handled and exposed to new people.
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:54 AM
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Thanks for the fix, JC. How embarrassing.
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Old 01-25-2019, 10:57 AM
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Belkar went out that door not too long ago and didn't have any difficulty. There were runes on the floor then, too, and he was definitely Evil at that time.
Belkar, like the rest of the group, is very high level. We've seen him shrug off anti-evil attacks. But he notices the effects when they're made. I'm assuming this is the first time he's crossed an anti-evil barrier without triggering it.
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Old 01-25-2019, 11:03 AM
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Thanks for the fix, JC. How embarrassing.
That's no worries. More embarrassing is my own type in the edit field. Quel dommage.
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Old 01-25-2019, 11:58 AM
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That had me giggling harder than the strip has in a long time. Sigdi is amazing.
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Old 01-25-2019, 01:50 PM
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Belkar, like the rest of the group, is very high level. We've seen him shrug off anti-evil attacks. But he notices the effects when they're made. I'm assuming this is the first time he's crossed an anti-evil barrier without triggering it.
Don't rune traps have a specific amount of damage they do and then disappear? The ones in the banquet room where the fight with the vampires happened did. So did the one on the step outside the door that the Order first came in through. So if these runes were a trap that Belkar triggered on the way out, they shouldn't still be there now. Also, he should have taken some damage when leaving the temple and he didn't. These runes are probably something else.
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Old 01-25-2019, 03:34 PM
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I would have fixed the typo, but I opened this thread just as I needed to be getting out the door. I didn't even get a chance to read the comic before just now (which was annoying me all afternoon). Thanks for the assist, JC.
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Old 01-25-2019, 04:47 PM
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Don't rune traps have a specific amount of damage they do and then disappear?
Sometimes, but not always. A lot of magical traps can reset themselves after firing.
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Old 01-25-2019, 05:30 PM
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Take a leaf from Sergeant Sigdi folks: that's how you persuade someone. First you show some empathy and build up your social capital: make them care about your opinion. Then you express your point of view. Then you circle back, tacking on softeners.

When you state your POV, keep it brief. This isn't about self expression. Make it something that the counterpart might accept if not necessarily agree with. Keep it reasonable. Operate at their level, in their language. Then pivot to something else.

The key aspect though is getting the counterpart to invest in your opinion of them. That's a necessary component.

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Old 01-25-2019, 06:15 PM
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Take a leaf from Sergeant Sigdi folks: that's how you persuade someone. First you show some empathy and build up your social capital: make them care about your opinion. Then you express your point of view. Then you circle back, tacking on softeners.

When you state your POV, keep it brief. This isn't about self expression. Make it something that the counterpart might accept if not necessarily agree with. Keep it reasonable. Operate at their level, in their language. Then pivot to something else.

The key aspect though is getting the counterpart to invest in your opinion of them. That's a necessary component.
Yes, you also want to show that you're invested in the situation. Don't make threats in a casual manner; if you do people might not take them seriously. For the same reason, don't make hyperbolic threats.

You want to show that you care about the situation and that you can relied on to follow through with the threat that you've made.
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Old 01-25-2019, 07:15 PM
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I liked the subtle joke, replacing "water under the bridge" with "water over the tunnel".
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Old 01-25-2019, 08:46 PM
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Sometimes, but not always. A lot of magical traps can reset themselves after firing.
OK, but he still didn't take any damage leaving the temple. Also, Hilgya, who is almost certainly Evil, just walked over the same runes and she didn't get zapped.
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Old 01-25-2019, 09:52 PM
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Reminds me of how, to Terry Pratchett's trolls, the "dawn of time" means the end.
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Old 01-31-2019, 11:07 AM
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Thanks for bringing that up, Belkar. I, too, was wondering why he hadn't changed out of those ripped robes yet.

Also, I'm amused at the close-up LOKI SUCKS message.
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Old 01-31-2019, 11:17 AM
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A hammer and gloves/gauntlets. Missing a belt so I guess we're not getting Crom Faeyr.
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Old 01-31-2019, 11:24 AM
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"Loki Sucks", as a code, certainly puts "Speak, friend, and enter" in the shade.
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Old 01-31-2019, 11:34 AM
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Old 01-31-2019, 11:51 AM
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A hammer and gloves/gauntlets. Missing a belt so I guess we're not getting Crom Faeyr.
Roy has a belt...
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:49 PM
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It's been suggested that it may be a Hammer of Thunderbolts:

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This +3 Large returning warhammer deals 4d6 points of damage on any hit. Further, if the wielder wears a belt of giant strength and gauntlets of ogre power and he knows that the hammer is a hammer of thunderbolts (not just a +3 warhammer), the weapon can be used to full effect: It gains a total +5 enhancement bonus, allows all belt and gauntlet bonuses to stack (only when using this weapon), and strikes dead any giant upon whom it scores a hit (Fortitude DC 20 negates the death effect but not the damage).

When hurled, on a successful attack the hammer emits a great noise, like a clap of thunder, causing all creatures within 90 feet to be stunned for 1 round (Fortitude DC 15 negates). The hammer’s range increment is 30 feet.

Strong evocation, necromancy, and transmutation; CL 20th; Weight 15 lb.
So that requires guantlets of ogre power (which presumably those are) and a belt of giant strength. I'm going to guess there's one of those in the drawer that he hasn't gotten out yet. I suppose he could borrow Roy's, but Roy needs it too.

Anyway it's the perfect thing for kicking vampire (and lich) butt.
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Old 01-31-2019, 12:55 PM
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Reminds me of how, to Terry Pratchett's trolls, the "dawn of time" means the end.
I've read that there's a tribal language in Africa that reverses the usual idiom of direction and time. They talk about looking forward into the past and that the future is behind them. The idea is that you know what happened in the past but future events can only be guessed at; so you must be facing the past with your back to the future.
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Old 01-31-2019, 01:12 PM
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Given that it's a hammer made in honor of Thor, it's got lightning iconography and special effects, and it comes with a pair of gauntlets, I don't think there can be much doubt about that point.
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It's been suggested that it may be a Hammer of Thunderbolts:
That stunning all creatures presumably includes the wielder and allies, so bit of a mixed blessing.
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That stunning all creatures presumably includes the wielder and allies, so bit of a mixed blessing.
So you throw it more than 90 feet. The hammer has a range increment of 20 feet, so you would take -8 to your roll. But remember you're stacking everything.

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So you throw it more than 90 feet. The hammer has a range increment of 20 feet, so you would take -8 to your roll. But remember you're stacking everything.
30 feet, so -6, if my maths works out (-2 per range increment multiple) , and with max range 5x increment for thrown weapons, that means max range is 150 ft, right?
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I'm fighting a cold right now, and the very first line of this comic made me laugh until I started coughing. A glass of warm milk to get Elan to calm down.
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So you throw it more than 90 feet. The hammer has a range increment of 20 feet, so you would take -8 to your roll. But remember you're stacking everything.
Fighting indoors/underground, 90 feet is a lot but yes, I guess that is the solution. Reduces the value of the throw/return ability by quite a though, IMO.
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Fighting indoors/underground, 90 feet is a lot but yes, I guess that is the solution. Reduces the value of the throw/return ability by quite a though, IMO.
Not really. Durkon is a 13th+ level cleric so has a BAB of +9 or more and has Weapon Focus: Hammer since the hammer is Thor's favoured weapon and will have a huge Str for at least +10 (because the bonuses now stack) and +5 for the magical hammer. That's +24 to hit, less 8 for the range is still +16. So he's still got a huge bonus to hit. That's if the hammer is a Hammer of Thunderbolts.
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Not really. Durkon is a 13th+ level cleric so has a BAB of +9 or more and has Weapon Focus: Hammer since the hammer is Thor's favoured weapon and will have a huge Str for at least +10 (because the bonuses now stack) and +5 for the magical hammer. That's +24 to hit, less 8 for the range is still +16. So he's still got a huge bonus to hit. That's if the hammer is a Hammer of Thunderbolts.
I was unclear - I meant that they are unlikely to be fighting somewhere where the Order will be 90+ feet away from the opponents. That's a really large room - I wonder if even that large hall they had the climactic battle in was much larger than that? And with both groups closing to melee, it won't be 90 feet for long (although he can throw it at mages/clerics who are likely hanging back - but it still needs a big room. And he might be better off wading in and swinging it rather than using it as a ranged weapon).

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30 feet, so -6, if my maths works out (-2 per range increment multiple) , and with max range 5x increment for thrown weapons, that means max range is 150 ft, right?
-4. The first range increment is at no penalty.

Also, do you use strength on hit rolls with thrown weapons? I think that still used your dex mod.
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So, when did Durkon's original armor get all banged up? And when was the last time we saw his original hammer?
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:18 PM
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Looks like he changed into robes between the Godsmoot and invading the Drawven Lands. Probably because of ROY SMASH!

The hammer seems to have been left behind in the pyramid after Malack left with thrall-Durkon.

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The other thing is that a DC 15 fort save isn't that hard to make at these levels. A 15th level wizard with a 14 con (really low for this level) gets +7 to fort saves, and nearly everyone else is gonna be higher than that--so your lowest party member has a 35% chance to fail the save.

Of course, most on-level enemies will also make the save. It's mostly useful against a roomful of mooks.
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And undead (like the remaining vampires and Xykon) will automatically succeed on the save. But it's still a heck of a melee weapon.
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But it's still a heck of a melee weapon.
And would punch right through an anti-life shell, if team Evil wants to try that trick again.
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Well, whatever that red ward thing is over the doors and windows, it doesn't seem to be up for the task.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:12 AM
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Some intervention is called for, PDQ.
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