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This boy's dream is that enough gets released before the election, so that even the Moderates/"Independents" of America can see that they really need to flip the house to drain the swamp.
This is my fantasy as well. And then, after that, I go on to be the Number One starting pitcher for the Cardinals and throw a perfect game against the Yankees in the World Series.

Of course I don't know what Mueller's thinking is, but my impression is that he's a total straight arrow and is going to release his results when they're good and ready, with very little thought given to how it affects the midterms. I hope that's soon, but by the standards of special counsel investigations, we're still early in the process.
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Old 06-06-2018, 09:01 AM
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I think it's looking like Roger Stone will get pinched before it's Jared or Junior's turn.
Right now it looks like Jared is in a much better position than the other senior Trump people. As noted earlier, Jared recently had his security clearance restored, and commentary at the time suggested this meant that Mueller had nothing serious on him.
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If anything, I would expect some of the bigger announcements to come out in August and September to avoid the whole 'October Surprise' scenario.

Hell, we don't even have to wait for him. Trump and Giuliani are falling all over themselves to implicate themselves in Obstruction of Justice.
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Old 06-06-2018, 09:09 AM
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This boy's dream is that enough gets released before the election, so that even the Moderates/"Independents" of America can see that they really need to flip the house to drain the swamp.
I'm a left leaning moderate. Didn't really like Hillary but considering the alternative, I voted for her. There was no other choice. This whole mess has convinced me to vote a strait democratic ticket, and I will probably do so for quite a while. 'ef 'em. Anyone that supports Trump should be run out of town on a rail.
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Ten minutes earlier:
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With the important little wrinkle that when backed up to the cloud, your encrypted messages aren't encrypted anymore.

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Ivanka had contact with Russians trying to set up a Putin/Trump meeting to expedite Trump tower in Moscow.

"In November 2015, Ivanka Trump told Cohen to speak with Klokov, according to the four sources. Cohen had at least one phone conversation with the weightlifter, they said. It is not known what the men discussed over the phone, but they exchanged a string of emails that are now being examined by congressional investigators and federal agents probing Russia’s election meddling.

In one of those emails, Klokov told Cohen that he could arrange a meeting between Donald Trump and Putin to help pave the way for the tower. Later, Cohen sent an email refusing that offer and saying that the Trump Organization already had an agreement in place. He said he was cutting off future communication with Klokov. Copying Ivanka Trump, the Russian responded in a final brusque message, in which he questioned Cohen’s authority to make decisions for the Trump Organization. Frustrated by the exchange, Ivanka Trump questioned Cohen’s refusal to continue communicating with Klokov, according to one of the sources."
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Buzzfeed is putting the Paper of Record to shame these days. Who could have guessed?

For extra context, here's an article from three weeks ago, describing the long strange trip between the Trumps, Michael Cohen & Felix Sater in their attempts to build Trump Moscow, including the time Ivanka got to sit and spin in Putin's antique desk chair.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycorm...nK2#.fwbvL5XMK


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Mueller is asking witnesses to turn over the personal phones to examine for encrypted messages. Anyone want to bet he already has those messages and is just looking at who tried to destroy stuff?
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Anyone want to bet he already has those messages and is just looking at who tried to destroy stuff?
Mueller has all of Cohen's phones, so ....
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...including the time Ivanka got to sit and spin in Putin's antique desk chair...
Had to read that real careful.
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The interesting thing about the Ivanka story isn't the details themselves - some bullshit artist tried to sell the hot rich blond access to Putin he likely didn't have, bfd - but the hint that she is competing with Cohen to bring Russians to meet her father, and Cohens ability to block her. This sort of rivalry is quite fascinating to me for some reason.
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Is this who y'all really want Mueller to be? Because I think I'd rather have him be truly, utterly impartial, methodically pursuing truth without any particular end in mind. He should be a prosecutor, not a political actor, and he should be aiming at uncovering truth and convicting criminals. He shouldn't be trying to exact justice through the electoral process.
This.

I'm clinging to the belief that Mueller is the last honest grown-up in this crappy mess. I want him to do his job thoroughly and impartially with no eye on the calendar WRT elections, rallies, impact on the administration or the beginning of hurricane season. So far, he seems to be doing that.
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Every article citing something Mueller's group does has some version of "Mueller declined to comment". Mueller's spokesperson has the cushiest job in the world.
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"Giuliani says Mueller’s team is ‘trying very, very hard to frame’ Trump"
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President Trump’s lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani said Wednesday that the legal team of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is “trying very, very hard to frame” the president.

Giuliani’s comments, at a conference in Israel, further escalate the efforts of Trump and his lawyers to discredit the ongoing investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, which is also examining whether Trump has obstructed justice.

Speaking at an investment conference in Tel Aviv hosted by the Globes newspaper, Giuliani echoed Trump’s claim that Mueller’s team is dominated by Democrats who are out to get him. And then Giuliani, a former federal prosecutor, suggested the team is going to extraordinary lengths to do so.
....
Can somebody just sit on this guy? Maybe we can find some ginormous, hulking football player why would be willing. Just for a few days. Okay, weeks.
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Tonight on his show, Hannity told Mueller witnesses to destroy their phones and SIM cards.
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Tonight on his show, Hannity told Mueller witnesses to destroy their phones and SIM cards.
No. Really? That sounds like he's advising destroying evidence. And ONCE AGAIN why do you want to do that if you are innocent?

During any sort of socio-political conversation, I have started to ask people if they watch Fox News. If they say yes, I change the subject.
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Tonight on his show, Hannity told Mueller witnesses to destroy their phones and SIM cards.
Is that legal? Can't they have a Federal agent walk up behind him while he's on the air, and cuff him?
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Old 06-06-2018, 11:22 PM
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No joke. Twice.
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Old 06-06-2018, 11:26 PM
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No. Really? That sounds like he's advising destroying evidence. And ONCE AGAIN why do you want to do that if you are innocent?

During any sort of socio-political conversation, I have started to ask people if they watch Fox News. If they say yes, I change the subject.
"Your Honor, I know the Mueller team fabricated the evidence against me because I destroyed the real evidence on the advice of a moron on TV."

Oops.
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Tonight on his show, Hannity told Mueller witnesses to destroy their phones and SIM cards.
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No. Really? That sounds like he's advising destroying evidence. And ONCE AGAIN why do you want to do that if you are innocent?

During any sort of socio-political conversation, I have started to ask people if they watch Fox News. If they say yes, I change the subject.
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Is that legal? Can't they have a Federal agent walk up behind him while he's on the air, and cuff him?
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No joke. Twice.
No joke. Video at the 2nd link; scroll down.
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He went on to acknowledge this was “bad advice” before repeating it all again step-by-step.

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The “hard drives” on your phones? What century is he living in?
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Old 06-07-2018, 12:04 AM
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Here's the complete quote for those who don't want to sit thru the video and hear it from his mouth:
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If I advised them to follow Hillary Clinton’s lead, delete all your emails and then acid-wash your emails and hard drives on the phones, then take your phones and bash them with a hammer to little itsy bitsy pieces, use BleachBit, remove the sim cards and then take the pieces and hand them over to Robert Mueller and say, ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton, this is equal justice under the law."
ETA: Wait: isn't he on the hook because he was using Cohen as his attorney? Did he just tell his co-conspirators to destroy evidence, using Fox News to reach them? What liability does Fox News have if he did?

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Old 06-07-2018, 01:16 AM
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...hand them over to Robert Mueller and say, ‘Hillary Rodham Clinton, this is equal justice under the law."
Hmm, that's odd. I thought that what Hillary Clinton did was bad.
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Buzzfeed is putting the Paper of Record to shame these days. Who could have guessed?

For extra context, here's an article from three weeks ago, describing the long strange trip between the Trumps, Michael Cohen & Felix Sater in their attempts to build Trump Moscow, including the time Ivanka got to sit and spin in Putin's antique desk chair.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/anthonycorm...nK2#.fwbvL5XMK


This whole family was born rotten.

My takeaway from this story is that Trump’s family and associates were running crazy trying to suck up to Putin and Russian banks in order to get the deal done, and Mr Stable Genius Art of the Deal ruins it all with a 9 word tweet.
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Old 06-07-2018, 07:39 AM
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Hmm, that's odd. I thought that what Hillary Clinton did was bad.
They only claim it was bad so as to have justification to do the same thing. Apparently, their moms never asked them the famous friends jumping off a cliff question.
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They only claim it was bad so as to have justification to do the same thing. Apparently, their moms never asked them the famous friends jumping off a cliff question.
Aye; this is their MO: anything they do that is bad is justified because someone on the other side did it OR WOULD DO IT IF THEY HAD THE CHANCE.

I called that bullshit out just yesterday in Elections.
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Well, I guess to conservatives that proves that lying is okay. Right?
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I didn't say I was okay with it.

What I am saying is that IMO you and many others will try and use this to justify your support of Trump's lies (and the lies of those around him), with exactly the logic I proffered in my earlier post.
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Aye; this is their MO: anything they do that is bad is justified because someone on the other side did it OR WOULD DO IT IF THEY HAD THE CHANCE.
Or more commonly "did something entirely different, but with just enough in common that we can ignore all the nuances and claim they did exactly the same thing."
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Peters re Hannity


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Paul Manafort's lawyer has got himself a lawyer.
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Paul Manafort's lawyer has got himself a lawyer.
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I'm starting to wonder if I need a lawyer at this point.
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Depends. You married?
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Well look under your seats! YOU get a lawyer, and YOU get a lawyer, and YOU get a lawyer...!
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Depends. You married?
Ummm, no. But I am in a bit of a committed relationship at the moment.

Thanks for asking though.
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Well look under your seats! YOU get a lawyer, and YOU get a lawyer, and YOU get a lawyer...!
Huh. I wonder if I'll just get a Common. If I get a Rare, I can probably get good money for him.
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I'm starting to wonder if I need a lawyer at this point.
Everybody on the Dope probably needs a lawyer. Just to be safe.

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It's lawyers all the way down. Again.
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That's weird. I posted the exact same (yes, lame) lawyer joke that Gyrate did, but earlier yesterday, in this very thread. I assumed he was just riffing off of me...

It ain't here. ???

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That's weird. I posted the exact same (yes, lame) lawyer joke that Gyrate did, but earlier yesterday, in this very thread. I assumed he was just riffing off of me...

It ain't here. ???
I remember seeing it (hence the "again") but couldn't find it either. Spooky.
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Everybody on the Dope probably needs a lawyer. Just to be safe.
Chico Marx in At the Circus: "You know what I say. Whenever you got business trouble the best thing to do is to get a lawyer. Then you got more trouble, but at least you got a lawyer."
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https://www.facebook.com/berkeleybre...type=3&theater

(sorry for facebook link,but its not published outside of that yet)
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As a gag, someone here with a little of bit of craftsmanship and artistic skill should go dedicate some time to making some sort of Matryoshka doll, with all of the Trump/Manafort/Cohen lawyers as the individual pieces. It just might be a hit on someone's Etsy shop.
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New charges filed against Manafort today and a co-conspirator, Konstantin Kilimnik.
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1005149461042130944
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Manafort's life may have gotten a bit more difficult...

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BREAKING : Mueller files 3rd superseding indictment against Paul Manafort, which adds Russian Konstantin Kilimnik as a defendent.

Both charged with conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice:
So, if Manafort is pardoned, will Trump also pardon his Russian co-defendent?

Ninja'd...

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A federal judge has ruled that Mueller must turn over the names of all of the unnamed individuals in the latest Manafort indictment.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...ls-in-manafort

What does a superseding indictment mean, by the way?

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What does a superseding indictment mean, by the way?
It comes after, and replaces, the indictment or indictments filed earlier. (It's been changed in some way--new charges and such.)

Note that the judge ruled that the names must be turned over to Manafort:

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Nice for Manafort.
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Note that the judge ruled that the names must be turned over to Manafort
That is kind of SOP, though. Manafort is entitled to defend himself, and his defense is entitled to see what he is being attacked with. Surprise witnesses and unexpected evidence exist in Hollywood and on TV, real courts not so much.
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