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That was it, yes. Now kindly stop looking at my brain over my shoulder.
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:52 AM
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In Wes Anderson's Grand Budapest Hotel, set in the fictional country of Zubrowka, the currency is the Klübeck. Not particularly crazy though.
One is inclined to assume from the name, that the country of Zubrowka has at least some likeness / overtones re Poland; with "real-world" Zubrowka being an admired variety of Polish vodka.

Fictional currencies (quasi-normal type), even though without the bonkers-complicated-for-comic-effect dimension: thoughts are prompted, of Lois McMaster Bujold's "Vorkosiverse" space-fiction novels, for which I am a fairly strong enthusiast. The many different planet-polities in her "Nexus" would seem to have, correspondingly, an assortment of respective currencies of their own. We don't learn the specifics of same in very many cases (perhaps a truly obsessive Vorkosiverse-geek would be aware of a greater number, than I am). We learn that the monetary unit of Barrayar, the hero's home-world -- and its subject-planet Komarr -- is the Imperial Mark: the German connotation perhaps holds with suitable overtones for Barrayar's rather militaristic society, although the planet's most pronounced cultural flavour is Russian rather than German. Beta Colony -- highly sophisticated, technically and socially advanced, and profoundly liberal -- has as its monetary unit the Betan dollar: the Nexus's most stable, prestigious and prosperity-inducing currency, customarily used as a "measuring stick" vis-a-vis other currencies.

The planet of Kibou-Daini -- its population largely of East Asian, especially Japanese, stock -- has as monetary unit, the nuyen. As regards Barrayar's rival planetary empire and potential / actual enemy in the part of the Nexus concerned, Cetaganda -- a place of great technical prowess and a highly subtle and refined, though in some ways rather nasty, culture -- it seems that the reader does not learn what they call their money. It tends to be that the only scenes of the series set actually in Cetaganda, are ones of imperial / diplomatic ceremonial, or extreme political crisis, where situations of people having to mess around with cash, don't arise.
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Old 08-19-2019, 06:32 AM
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That reminds me of the short film, The Price of Life. The fictional crazy currency was, literally, time: children are injected with nanobots that kill them after an allotted time span of however many years. If you want to pay for something, you literally give over hours, days, weeks of your life. The foolish manage to piss their time away in a few decades, while clever capitalists are effectively immortal, living centuries or millennia since "you can't take it with you" does not apply.
Terry Pratchett's science fiction novel Strata has a currency called "Days" (and bigger denominations of time) which ultimately serves as the backing for all other currencies. One Day is literally one day's worth of life extension treatments* (so nobody's giving up any time, like in that film or In Time.)
In theory, the older you grew the more careful you were to stay near a gene surgery and the local Company store, where your Days could be cashed for carefully-calculated longevity treatment – at the guaranteed rate of twenty-four standard hours extra life per Day. Only the Company paid in Days, and only the Company gave the treatment. Textbook economics followed that the Company owned everywhere and everybody.
The Company is the Strata Corporation, which terraforms planets for colonisation.

* not immortality - that, apparently, is a once-off surgery. The treatments are for the eternal youth part of the deal.

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The short story Self Limiting begins with the line "There are no millionaires on Xanax", explaining how the currency of the planet Xanax is silvery-grey metal coins which are kept in "money pits" of a standardized size....
Reminiscent of Niven's, "The Roentgen Standard." http://www.larryniven.net/stories/roentgen.shtml

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Old 08-19-2019, 07:02 PM
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For that matter, after crashing on prehistoric Earth, the Golgafrinchams adopted the leaf as legal tender, thus making themselves all fabulously wealthy. Unfortunately, the easy availability of leaves caused rapid devaluation, so they started burning down forests to revalue their currency. Nice logical thinking...
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Fallout has bottlecaps for currency.

The Metro games have military-grade ammunition used as money, giving you the choice of using inferior ammunition or literally shooting money.

Warhammer 40,000 Orks use "Ork Teef" aka their own teeth as money.
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Old 08-20-2019, 09:23 AM
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Unfortunately, the easy availability of leaves caused rapid devaluation, so they started burning down forests to revalue their currency. Nice logical thinking...
Hey, at least the fire-invention committee finally got its act together!
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In the SF short story "No Love in All of Dwingeloo", a race of higher-dimensional beings trade in futures; literal futures, as in trading the ability to alter the outcome of different possible timelines. When the human protagonist of the story learns that Earth is being sold short- that speculators are betting that humanity will shortly go extinct- he risks all to save humanity, at great personal cost.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:39 PM
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The Algebraist (novel) has an economy based on kudos. It doesn't go into great detail but I guess the more famous you are the more things you can get - a little bit like in our system.
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Old 08-21-2019, 02:28 PM
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More bills than currencies, but given the hyperinflation they relate to ...

Meeses in Snow Crash. Worth one trillion dollars, backed by what's left of the US government. Sure, most people prefer Gippers (1 quadrillion US$) bills, but the idea of Ed Meese being considered "respectable" enough to be on a US bill is amazing.

And don't get me started on Kongbucks. Although if you have enough, I understand a fella could have a pretty good weekend In Vegas with with those.

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The Algebraist (novel) has an economy based on kudos. It doesn't go into great detail but I guess the more famous you are the more things you can get - a little bit like in our system.
Like in The Moon Moth? That's not currency, though. More like people thrust valuable articles upon you because they're thrilled you would deign to be seen wearing or using them. It happens for real, too, as you observe.

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More bills than currencies, but given the hyperinflation they relate to ...

Meeses in Snow Crash. Worth one trillion dollars, backed by what's left of the US government. Sure, most people prefer Gippers (1 quadrillion US$) bills, but the idea of Ed Meese being considered "respectable" enough to be on a US bill is amazing.
Meh. There is a picture of a real-life 1020 Hungarian pengo banknote on Wikipedia.
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The post scarcity society of Cory Doctrow’s “Down and out in the Magic Kingdom” uses “Whuffie” which is essentially social standing. Positive interaction or reputation gives you more, negative less. At one point the protagonist is so poorly thought of that elevators and automatic doors stop working for him.
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Harry Potter's currency has no clear buying power or value, either.

He wins 1,000 galleons in the Triwizard tournament. He gives them to Fred and George to:

- buy premises and supplies to open a store on Diagon Alley(they do this in about a year's time)

- buy Ron new dress robes(small purchase, but still)

So, how much is 1,000 galleons in USD or Pounds? I believe galleons and other currency levels are thrown about that indicate it is not $100,000 or anything like that. No idea what it is worth.
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Old 08-21-2019, 03:22 PM
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So, how much is 1,000 galleons in USD or Pounds? I believe galleons and other currency levels are thrown about that indicate it is not $100,000 or anything like that. No idea what it is worth.
You think people who can turn lead into gold have foreign exchange and futures markets? It's magic.

IIRC, in the book, the humans couldn't even figure out how to run a bank; the industry was run by goblins and gnomes.
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Old 08-21-2019, 03:29 PM
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The post scarcity society of Cory Doctrow’s “Down and out in the Magic Kingdom” uses “Whuffie” which is essentially social standing. Positive interaction or reputation gives you more, negative less. At one point the protagonist is so poorly thought of that elevators and automatic doors stop working for him.
The 'Black Mirror' episode 'Nosedive' took this concept to its logical extreme. Someone who behaves like a dick will gradually lose all their privileges.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosedive_(Black_Mirror)

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So you would be happy to measure and weigh each coin you get in change, to make sure that the correct value is made?

The inconvenience of that is the reason why standard sized coins were invented.
What?

You would standardize the size of the coins so that the denominations made sense.
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From what I understand, that's exactly what the gold coins in John Wick are supposed to represent - favors. That's why they can be used to pay for anything.

I mean, favors are what the criminal economy is supposedly based on, at last in the movies. When Bonasera went to Don Corleone and asked him to deal with the boys who put his daughter in the hospital, the Don didn't say, "OK, you owe me one (1) fixed-up body of one dead son, to be determined later"; instead, he told him, basically, that he owned him a favor. If the Godfather had existed in the John Wick universe, the undertaker would have given the Don a gold coin.
Yeah, they represent favors, but the characters treat them like lending you a dollar for the vending machine is an equal favor to killing an entire rival gang.

If I owe you one, I'm going to think it's unreasonable for you to ask me to something way out of proportion and I won't feel bad declining. That's why the coins in John Wick don't make sense, they make the trivial and grandiose equal. If there was a minimum bar for a "gold coin favor" then it would make more sense.
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Old 08-21-2019, 05:18 PM
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You think people who can turn lead into gold have foreign exchange and futures markets? It's magic.

IIRC, in the book, the humans couldn't even figure out how to run a bank; the industry was run by goblins and gnomes.
My fanwank is that the goblins have a monopoly on coining gold into galleons, in such a magical manner that they can't be debased, counterfeited (for very long), or otherwise magically manipulated. Goblin coinage is about the only completely trustworthy medium of exchange in the wizarding world. Not to mention the infamous security of their storage vaults.
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No, it's just that Harry Potter wizards are min-maxing munchkins who put all of their points in spellcasting, making them utterly useless at anything else.
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Not fictional but certainly unusual: the wooden money of Tenino, Washington.
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Sim City Buildit. Simoleons=coins you earn all day if you’re not stupid. Greenbacks=rare money you earn about 7 greenbacks a day, it can be bought with any real currency. Neo Bucks=dopey money only related to pretentious Omega-building fetishists. Purple Warbucks=money you need to play a war successfully but impossible to earn unless you play the wars or have dad’s credit card.

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Old 08-22-2019, 10:38 AM
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Sim City Buildit. Simoleons=coins you earn all day if you’re not stupid. Greenbacks=rare money you earn about 7 greenbacks a day, it can be bought with any real currency. Neo Bucks=dopey money only related to pretentious Omega-building fetishists. Purple Warbucks=money you need to play a war successfully but impossible to earn unless you play the wars or have dad’s credit card.

Eesh. Evony with a SimCity skin.
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In the post-apocalyptic sports movie The Blood of Heroes, the currency appears to be small gears and other random machine parts that presumably are the remnants of the now-destroyed civilization and not expected to be produced again. It is never commented on in the film.
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In what way are they different from the physical objects used as money on contemporary Earth?
They're completely unforgeable, for one--being alien artifacts rather beyond the degraded technological level that the humans are at.

That said, the book(s) are pirate stories set in the future. Quoins are just pieces of eight or doubloons or whatever piratical currency you wish to compare to. They have a physical nature, like gold coins, that is distinct from paper or electronic currency. They lend themselves to hoarding and hiding.
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