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Old 01-22-2019, 10:30 AM
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So, tomorrow, England start their test series against the West Indies in Barbados.

It's been a while since we've been there, and we got embarassed last time out - it was the series that basically did for Peter Moores as coach, and that seems like forever ago. We've swung up, back down and are possibly on the way back up again since then.

I haven't followed West Indian cricket much, and I don't recognise much of their likely team, but they are going to be tough to beat at home. I'd like to put England as favourites, but we don't like to make it easy for ourselves.

I note they'll use a Duke ball. England's seamers will love that. I'm not seeing high scoring games.
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For purely logistical reasons, and living in England, the Windies tour is my favourite - there's something exceptionally civilised about coming home in the evening and still being able to catch a couple of sessions of Test match cricket after work. This one, I think, has some serious potential to be quite good. I think this England team is substantially better than the one that went in 2015. That batting unit had Cook on the wane (a circumstance that lasted for years, due to our inabilty to find anyone to partner him, never mind replace him), the shot version of Trott, the very shot version of Ian Bell, the overmatched at Test level Garry Ballance at 3, Buttler before he worked out what was what (assuming he has done now) in red ball cricket and Ben Stokes who has improved substantially, at least in my view, since then. Broad and Anderson then vs Broad and Anderson now is probably not much difference - Anderson is better now, Broad worse. Chris Jordan was the 3rd seamer and spin was provided by James Tredwell and a rushed back from a side strain Moeen Ali. The bowling unit seems better for depth now. Even accounting for all that, and England bat deep, they're not exactly giving off the air of security, so the bowlers will have to come to the party.

I'm also quite looking forward to seeing some of the Windies guys - even accounting for the quality of the opposition, Jason Holder took his wickets at something like 12 in 2018, which is a pretty hefty improvement. Shannon Gabriel and Kemar Roach are reasonably good seam up bowlers. Jamal Warrican destroyed the England Lions tour that went out there last winter - something like 30 odd wickets at 9 (that is not a misprint - though my recall may be off, it genuinely was something stupidly low). Not seen anything of Shimron Hetmyer - but he went at a substantial wedge in the IPL auction, so I'd imagine that there's some fireworks there. Much like the Sri Lanka tour, and in agreement with Teuton, I can see low scoring, bowler dominated games, that have the potential to be quite exciting. Looking forward to it.

South Africa currently starting their drag into the World Cup with an ODI series polishing off the Pakistan tour that featured Test matches over Christmas and New Year. Pakistan won the first ODI when SA set 260 ish for 2 off 50 overs, which was a very odd score. Surely nowadays you throw the bat around a bit more and score more than that? Pakistan timed their chase well and got them in the last over but SA looked very short - at least 30 runs. Today, SA were chasing and won. I'd not noticed before but Andile Phehlukwayo has some better than decent ODI figures for SA - averages 30 or so, goes at around 5.75 an over. Today he also got them over the line with 69 in the chase (in tandem with Rassie van der Dussen - who I will confess is a new one on me; only his second ODI today). If Phehlukwayo is rounding into form, with Steyn, Rabada, Maharaj and Duanne Olivier, they've got quite a good bowling line up. Unbelievably, given recent history, runs might actually be the issue for them - I wonder if they could tempt ABDV for one more crack at a World Cup?

The team I am tipping for an outside run at the World Cup is NZ. Have a look at some of their ODI performances over the course of the last 18 months, factor in that NZ is probably the closest to English conditions that you'll find on the international circuit - add them together and come up with 5 probably. But you get my meaning.

Virat won every gong going in the 2018 ICC awards. Can't say I disagree with much of that - though making him captain of the World XI might be due to some of the other players involved and choosing the best of them. Didn't think much of his captaincy in England - though clearly he did alright in Australia. No England players in the World Test XI - again, not sure I disagree that much there - 4 made the ODI World XI, which given our history at World Cups seems like teeing us up for the inevitable let down in the summer.
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Pakistan lost another match we should have won and our Captain is a racist shit.
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Pakistan lost another match we should have won and our Captain is a racist shit.
First I have heard of the latter part of this - but then I am not up on everything that happens with all the international teams. What has Sarfraz done/said?
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In addition to the above - first test between Australia and Sri Lanka starts later this week - a day/night match in Brisbane. Will be interesting to see how Australia's overhauled batting selection goes. Am sure there are better informed members of the board who can let us know what they think there.

Australia should win that series. If they don't some serious questions need asking. Elite questions, if you will.
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First I have heard of the latter part of this - but then I am not up on everything that happens with all the international teams. What has Sarfraz done/said?
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We'll have a chance to see New Zealand in action - India are touring there now, and they both have to be thinking they've got a chance in the World Cup.

They're wrong though. England are going to win.


These ODIs are going to be difficult to follow in England, as they start at 2am, but it's going to be worth keeping track of the good performances ahead of the cup. I'm not sure who to back, really - India are on a high after defeating Australia but NZ are, as Cumbrian says, a strong outfit.
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I'm taking my eight year old daughter to her first one dayer today. The chance to see the best one day batsman in the world right now (LRPL Taylor) is just too good to miss. I hear India has some fellow named Kohli who's pretty handy as well.

I do feel a bit guilty that she'll get an unrealistic impression of what being a Black Caps fan is like though. I fear we're in for more decades of disappointment once the current golden generation retire.
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:47 PM
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NZ 157 all out. My fears were unfounded. Sanders 6 landed just in front of us though.
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Old 01-23-2019, 01:55 AM
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India walking the game, NZ never got anywhere close to enough.

Was it good bowling, lisiate, or poor batting or both?
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Old 01-23-2019, 02:41 AM
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given our history at World Cups seems like teeing us up for the inevitable let down in the summer.
I was reading the Wiki on David Lloyd the other day (partly to remind myself of why he is called "Bumble") and it recounted his retirement as England coach with quotes from Tim Lamb (then chairman of the ECB), Alec Stewart, and others saying things like how nice it would be to deliver a World Cup win for him to round off his time with England - following which England infamously failed to even make it out of the group.

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We'll have a chance to see New Zealand in action - India are touring there now, and they both have to be thinking they've got a chance in the World Cup.

They're wrong though. England are going to win.
You can't make jokes like that when we actually have a semblance of a chance - it's got the reverse mockers the wrong way round, or something.

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Both. Shami bowled beautifully and none of our batsmen looked comfortable against the spinners. Once Taylor meekly returned the ball to Chahal after being totally fooled everyone seemed to just throw their wickets away.

The sun strike stoppage was utterly ridiculous coming so soon after the dinner break. If only there were some sort of way to predict the relative angle of the sun for a given date and plan around it. Maybe erect some kind of durable markers and take note of where the sun rises and sets throughout the year....
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Old 01-23-2019, 03:01 AM
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Virat: Didn't think much of his captaincy in England - though clearly he did alright in Australia.
You are on the money there.

His captaincy is barely average, and that is with leading the best team going round.
He was so wound up about winning the series he held his team back. Pajura and Bumrah won the series with solid bit contributions from the others. He is conservative and reactive with setting fields. Canít handle conceding a boundary. On those rare occasions Aust put a partnership together he didnít come up with anything creative to make something happen, though he didnít really need to, so poor were we with the bat. Probably contributed to him having a series below expectations though his output was still pretty good.

India would be even better without him as skip, but heíd be a thoroughly irritating prick and distraction to have in the team for any other leader.
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Both. Shami bowled beautifully and none of our batsmen looked comfortable against the spinners. Once Taylor meekly returned the ball to Chahal after being totally fooled everyone seemed to just throw their wickets away.
I guess it's just one match - but that's not a lot of comfort, if your one match happens to be a World Cup semi or a final. Let's see how they go in the rest of a series, but, purely on the basis of the scorecard (given the time difference, I'll probably only get to see highlights) this was a bit of a dooring. Hope you had a good day out otherwise though.
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You are on the money there.

His captaincy is barely average, and that is with leading the best team going round.
He was so wound up about winning the series he held his team back. Pajura and Bumrah won the series with solid bit contributions from the others. He is conservative and reactive with setting fields. Canít handle conceding a boundary. On those rare occasions Aust put a partnership together he didnít come up with anything creative to make something happen, though he didnít really need to, so poor were we with the bat. Probably contributed to him having a series below expectations though his output was still pretty good.

India would be even better without him as skip, but heíd be a thoroughly irritating prick and distraction to have in the team for any other leader.
We have seen something similar before up here - he strikes me as a bit like Kevin Pietersen when it comes to the captaincy. With respect to Kohli, think I said in the England/India thread, that I thought Kohli didn't get the rub of the green much, but certainly didn't help up here. They'd have won the game at The Oval, for instance, with better captaincy during England's first innings.

@AK84 - that is not ideal. Saw some highlights of the game when I got home last night. My knowledge of Urdu is, predictably, nil, so would have had no chance of picking this up in real time and it was not shown in the highlights in any case.

Think I said this on another thread, but really like the look of Shaheen Afridi. He's got this wrist snap at the point of the delivery and seems to be able to get the ball to move pretty well. One to watch.
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Will be interesting to see how Australia's overhauled batting selection goes.
Likely to be two debutants in top six.

CA gave SL one warm-up game, though it was pink ball vs a select XI. Downgraded from first class status so not much more than centre wicket practice vs the tourists. Set up as a batting drag race between Renshaw, Burns, Labruschagne and Pucovski for two Test spots.

Naturally they all failed twice. Then Kurt Pattison who was off-radar scored twin centuries. So he forced himself into the squad. The thinking was Pucovski was going to play and Pattison’s smash & grab got him the other. Out would go Handscombe and Lambruschagne and Khawaja to open. I thought it better with Harris and
Burns to open, Khawaja @ 3 then Pattinson, Pucovski and Head.
In the bowling Hazelwood is hurt as is his best replacement James Pattinson. So Richardson or Siddle get the 3rd seamer spot.

Turns out I’m wrong as the team’s just been announced.
Harris, Burns, Khawaja, Lambruschagne, Pattinson, Head, Paine, Cummings, Starc, Richardson, Lyon.,

Lambruschagne is living the Australian dream. First class average of 25, modest net bowler but gets picked to bat at #3 and bowl 20 overs of legspin. Don’t know who’s acid trip was that.

Pucovski looked good but is raw and might be fragile. He has 500 career first class runs. Matthew Wade has scored nearly 700 this season plus 300 BBL. If he isn’t picked vs SL and the locals run up the score it’s a bit hard to see how he gets in the team for the Ashes.

Add Smith, if he gets both fit and form, and it’s arguably as good as we can field. Still dodgy batting and not sure I’d back them vs the Kiwis, let alone India, Poms or Saffers.
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@AK84 - that is not ideal. Saw some highlights of the game when I got home last night. My knowledge of Urdu is, predictably, nil, so would have had no chance of picking this up in real time and it was not shown in the highlights in any case.
Not ideal is putting it mildly.
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Think I said this on another thread, but really like the look of Shaheen Afridi. He's got this wrist snap at the point of the delivery and seems to be able to get the ball to move pretty well. One to watch.
Oh, we are excited about him here. Lanky, fast and most importantly as he showed in bowling pressure final overs, he has ice in his veins.

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I guess it's just one match - but that's not a lot of comfort, if your one match happens to be a World Cup semi or a final.
See also: England in their Champions Trophy semi-final vs Pakistan a couple of years ago.
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Cricket captaincy itself seems to be in a bit of a rut at the moment. I think you could argue that, at the moment, the best of the lot is Jason Holder of the West Indies. There seems to be a lot of people in the other teams who are captains through default - certainly Joe Root and Tim Paine, and Kohli. Faf seems decent from what I've seen.
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Sarfraz was under 19 captain. He was groomed for the role for years.
No fucking excuse.
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West Indies 89/1 at lunch. Good start by the Windies, although England's bowling didn't seem to be particularly great, excepting Anderson. Sounds like John Campbell rode his luck a little early on, but he got a good platform going for the team and they will be the happier of the teams right now.
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Oh. Cricket. I thought the thread title was about cricket rolling, maybe a new sport run in parallel with frog jumping or something. Guess not. Sorry, chaps.
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Likely to be two debutants in top six.
Etc...

Cheers for this - interesting to get a perspective on this. The one thing that seems to be implied in amongst all this is that Warner isn't coming back when his ban is up but Smith is? Seems to me like Australia need both of them, unless one of these guys can stick.

Speaking as someone who isn't looking at the news on this daily or exposed to the Australian media, Warner seems like the one who is coming out of this best - just shut his mouth and got on - Handscomb and Smith on the other hand have been in the news chucking everyone under the bus.

On the rest of the team - difficult again as we don't see much of your domestic stuff at all outside the BBL, though we do get the internationals. Labuschange looks rubbish from what I have seen. Some of the others seems to have the weight of runs in Sheffield Shield which suggest they should be tried (Burns for one) but I don't know how much of this is just looking at a sheet with numbers on it and picking the biggest one. You've probably got far better idea than I as to whether there's technical ability there to support the figures.

@Teuton - I think Wiliamson has had good results but don't know how much that's just because he's got a good bowling attack. One of the issues of everything bar the first session of their Tests being on in the middle of the night here, I suppose.

@AK84 - yes, deliberate understatement. I can't put my hands on it at the moment but I read somewhere in amongst the welter of Brexit coverage up here that Englishmen have a tendency to describe spilling their tea or burning their toast as an utter disaster, whilst describing things that could decide the fate of mankind as "somewhat sub-optimal".

Everyone has got a start in the Windies line up but no one has kicked on. Anderson just got Hope on an inside edge to Foakes. It's 174-4 off 65 overs.

As you can tell, scoring has also been slow. Commentators suggesting that the wicket has runs in it though. Į\_(ツ)_/Į

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Hetmyer living up to my expectations thus far - taken both England's spinners for 6s, scoring at better than a run a ball, playing without a helmet. It's like a proper throwback to 70s Windies batting.
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What are we thinking about the decision to go with two spinners? We probably won't know if it's actually worked until the third innings, but dropping Broad seems a bit harsh on him (although I've seen a suggestion that he might have bedbug issues)
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Up until Hetmyer started climbing into him, Rashid's figures were pretty good - no wickets but managed to play a holding role. The main problem with going with 3 seam up bowlers and two spinners is that, in general, both the selected spinners are there to attack. The minute one of your seamers starts going around the park (as Curran did initially - and then didn't get the ball back until about 60 overs into the innings), it puts a lot of workload onto the other two, unless a spinner can bottle an end up. Rashid managed it - but it doesn't seem like it is a plan with a long term future, given what we know about Rashid and Moeen.

I'm not sure I am against Rashid and Ali playing per se (if we can get a decent first innings lead - itself not a given - having them to attack on a wearing pitch seems worthwhile), but I think I probably would have picked Broad instead of Curran, on the grounds that I trust him more to hold an end up. This marginally weakens the batting line up but as it is, our #10 has more first class centuries than all but two of the opposition. If we haven't got the runs above him, I don't see why whoever is in at 10, whether Rashid or Broad, should be expected to score the runs the rest haven't. In that sense, I'd rather the better bowler, than the all rounder in this case.

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Bloody good spell with the second new ball makes England the leaders at the end of Day 1 I'd say - 264-8 given it was 240-4 at one point. hetmyer looks good - England need to avoid letting him out tomorrow and try and wrap this thing up quickly. Then, don't bat like complete idiots.

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Hetmyer living up to my expectations thus far - taken both England's spinners for 6s, scoring at better than a run a ball, playing without a helmet. It's like a proper throwback to 70s Windies batting.
Does he wear the classic Windies hat?

Here's me on TV - lounging on the left of screen in my white hat.
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Does he wear the classic Windies hat?

Here's me on TV - lounging on the left of screen in my white hat.
He got out the white floppy hat. Roston Chase at the other end went for the maroon cap. It was excellent.
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Etc...

Cheers for this - interesting to get a perspective on this. The one thing that seems to be implied in amongst all this is that Warner isn't coming back when his ban is up but Smith is? Seems to me like Australia need both of them, unless one of these guys can stick.

Speaking as someone who isn't looking at the news on this daily or exposed to the Australian media, Warner seems like the one who is coming out of this best - just shut his mouth and got on - Handscomb and Smith on the other hand have been in the news chucking everyone under the bus.
Point of order: Bancroft rather than Hanscomb.

Attended an interesting forum recently where the speakers were Gideon Haig and Peter Lalor. An excellent session.

Warner is radioactive. The question is whether the half-life is longer than a Test career.
Not being one of life’s thinner planks, you get him alone with a microphone for a tell-all and he’ll be sitting in a pile of compost up to his neck with a shit-eating grin.

Warner took the role as “shiner of the ball” at mid-on for the team on his own volition several seasons ago and other teams were closely watching what he was doing. SA even got the TV broadcaster to have a camera focused/dedicated to him as well as their stump mike shenanigans. Not that he was likely doing anything other Test teams weren’t, and still are, as part of their ball management routine. The atmospherics of that series were getting rather volatile as you might recall. Australia had a poor session (playing the #1 team, on their own decks, at the end of a long season so fairly understandable) and one of the CA executives at the ground took it upon himself to do some motivational work, went into the rooms and berated the players including the line “We don’t play you XXXXXX to play, we pay you to win.” There was a very handy bonus on offer if Australia won the series and took the mantle of #1 in the Test rankings. A plausible scenario is that Warner who is hocked to the gunnels on property in a falling market and lifestyle of the “rich and famous” saw a serious cash-flow problem in the offing. His relationship with the CA Board is way on the nose because he was a leader in the contract dispute. And most of the CA board are people who genuinely deserve large non-biological things shoved up their fundamental orifices. So he picked a susceptible mark to do his dirty work. Have no idea who else was in the know but it wasn’t the bowlers and personally believe it wasn’t Lehmann.

Yes, if Warner shuts up, buries his bogan attitude and scores runs he’ll get back in. But without the bogan attitude he’s not David Warner and it’s a case of leopards and spots. If he reverts to type his boorish, abusive form in a Test the crowd will start throwing stuff at him. A whole bank of CA sponsors (both new and those who didn’t leave in the ball tampering aftermath) have told CA their money walks if they pick him. Based on a show of hands at the Haig/Lalor forum, less than a quarter of the “informed” public want him back at any price. 95% of the same forum would welcome back Smith as soon as his availability and form allows.

The issue for Smith is there isn't much else to his whole life but cricket.
I don’t think “breakdown” or “manic depression” is the correct terminology but he made a ad for Vodaphone, donating his fee to charity on the topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkC46v_0nb0
There’s been fairly mixed response to the “Gutsy is Calling” ad but which might have sent a wonky signal to the selectors thinking of rushing him back. He’s had an elbow operation for an injury he took into the Bangladesh League and flared over there and there isn’t much first class cricket between the finish of rehab and the Ashes tour.

Bancroft is a twerp and will see out his career in the BBL with the Scorchers or WA cricket in that cloistered culture of “WA boys can do no wrong”. Yes the current alpha Waussie (Langer) would like him back but that ain’t going to happen. The publicity around his initial Test selection as opener because mentally he was a hard nut that wasn’t fazed under pressure. IMHO his batting didn’t back up the assertion and it turns out off-field he’s a blancmange.

The other point is that the Australian team is absolutely convinced that SA have found a mechanism to rough the ball in a clinical fashion. Seems that the deed is done using the keepers gloves where part of the dimpled rubber palms might be of a different construction say one of the thumbs is vulcanised or like, making it able to abrade one side of the ball in a controlled but surreptitious manner.

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Iím watching Australia versus Sri Lanka now and wondering if these Aussie players are losing money by playing for their country instead of the BBL. I know they just played India, so I assume they canít play BBL full time, so they must be losing some money, right? I could be wrong but I think Indian international cricket goes on hiatus during IPL season.
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I hope you all donít mind me jumping in this thread with random cricket questions, but seems like the appropriate place (esp. considering how useless google has become):

Why did KL Rahul get suspended along with Hardik (no pun intended) Pandya? I can see how Pandyaís comments get him kicked off the Indian team, but canít tell what Rahul did.
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Not a problem.

Rahul got pinged for same offence as Pandya.


http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...ending-inquiry

BTW CricInfo is the best site for international and domestic cricket in all forms. Good live coverage, informative articles from experts and a wiz-bang stats engine.

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Iím watching Australia versus Sri Lanka now and wondering if these Aussie players are losing money by playing for their country instead of the BBL.
Would be surprised if those on CA contracts were out of pocket.

Of the six batsmen, only Khawaja and Pattinson haven't played a BBL game in 2019.
Usman was injured leading into the India series but is contracted to the Sydney Thunder. Pattinson is also contracted with the Thunder but hasn't been called in.

Of the bowlers only Richardson has played BBL this season, because he's a late call-up to cover for Hazlewood. He's the only one I would thought might get more to play BBL than a Test.

Under the rotation policy Starc, Cummings, Hazlewood and Lyon would be kept in cotton wool except for first class cricket and not be available for BBL.

Peter Siddle was 12th man during the Tests series and he's playing BBL with Adelaide Strikers
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England needed that new ball burst, it may have pulled us ahead in the day, but Windies spent the rest of the day building a pretty decent position.

Regarding Warner, I'm an outsider looking in, but it does seem as if he's being set up as the major fall guy for this, and so is unlikely to return. Smith seems a dead cert to return when fit, and I had thought the same off Bancroft, although penultima thule suggests otherwise above, but more because he's not good enough than because he's too tainted.

Is Smith likely to captain again? If be surprised if he got the job back immediately, but maybe in a few years, when Paine goes?
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If Warner is the fall guy/scapegoat, who do you think was the instigator of the bizarrely cack-handed and Keystone Kops level clumsy attempt at ball tampering?

Personally would prefer Smith plays on as a batsman only, but yes your time line seems the most likely.
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Mea culpa, re: Bancroft and Handscomb - I always get those two mixed up (and Renshaw as well to be honest - something about all of them making the side at broadly the same time I think).

The analysis up thread on Smith, Warner, etc, seems right to me, given the details PT has included that I wasn't aware of. Ultimately, it seem obvious that this is going to come down to a cost-benefit analysis: do your skills as a batsman (also set against your potential replacement) outweight the negatives of re-integrating you into the squad. Smith is one of the best batsmen in the world, so they'll try to re-integrate him; Bancroft isn't and seems like a bit of an idiot, so he's definitely out.

Warner - for me - is a real edge case. As an Englishman, I would be much more worried if he was opening the batting in the upcoming Ashes than not. For me, part of good management in cricket is dealing with difficult people and getting the best out of them (this was, I think, a failure of English management went it came to KP and you can point to plenty of examples of difficult people who were integrated into the team environment across the whole sport - Mo Amir is a proven cheat, Warne has a massive ego and served a drug related ban, ditto Botham, Boycott is widely hated, the list goes on) and, if it were me, I would be reluctant to get rid of a proven performer given the current state of the side. I can well see the other side of this though. A lot hinges on how difficult it will be to re-integrate him and, if you do, and going by what PT has written above, persuading sponsors that he's going to be a good boy too (I have separate views on whether sponsors should be dictating selection but accept the reality of the situation). In the end, it may just be too difficult.

If Australia lose this Test in Brisbane, they want bloody shooting. Pressure is off - they could do with some guys building scores. Burns and Khawaja not getting much not brilliant in that respect.

West Indies could still post a competitive total here, if Hetmyer can do some work in the opening session. 300 or so will tee the game up nicely. Comms teams suggesting that the pitch got quicker as the day went on, indentations are already evident that should create variable bounce and Windies have an attack that seems more suited to this pitch than England's. I still think England pulled ahead with the new ball last night, but that could be very different by tea on Day 2. They actually need to wrap the innings up - not something that they've done consistently over the last few years and then bat with an application that has also not been that evident.

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(although I've seen a suggestion that he might have bedbug issues)
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We're fucked when Jimmy Anderson retires.
Hope he's getting a boat back home rather than flying - but with an air support team on standby in case of any accident. Then wrap him in cotton wool until June.

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They actually need to wrap the innings up - not something that they've done consistently over the last few years and then bat with an application that has also not been that evident.
Part A accomplished with conviction - 289 all out. England 10/0 as I write. Now it gets interesting.
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...and at 44/4, it seems the chief interest right now is in whether England will still be batting when we get home from work. Or if they are, which innings.
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I still think England pulled ahead with the new ball last night, but that could be very different by tea on Day 2.
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We're going to follow on here, aren't we? 49/7.

Some good bowling, but bloody hell, bad shots in amongst this lot. Given the rate at which the wickets have been falling, leaving stuff that's not going to hit the stumps would be a good idea.
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...and at 44/4, it seems the chief interest right now is in whether England will still be batting when we get home from work. Or if they are, which innings.
The thing is, with any total, what if you add a couple of wickets to it - how does it look then? Yep, still shit.
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Tuned into Talksport 2 in the in-car Dab to have a listen on the way back from Truro and... kinda wish I hadn't. What an utter shambles. What was Moeen thinking?

That Roach guy is bowling well though.
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The Moeen shot is Exhibit A in "Given the rate at which the wickets have been falling, leaving stuff that's not going to hit the stumps would be a good idea" from my earlier post. It's going down leg - step inside it, wear it if you have to, but for fuck's sake, stop the clatter of wickets for a bit.
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Who has reignited the Babylonian fires?
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Bowled out for 77. I doubt we'll be asked to follow on - that can only go wrong for the Windies being asked to maybe chase 150 batting last.

I hope we make a better go of it second dig, but damn are we going to be chasing a big score final innings.
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77 all out. And tea will be taken.

Don't know whether I'd bother enforcing the follow on. England have lost this Test match whatever happens.

ETA: Nasser on comms saying that England will be made to follow on. Then the studio guys immediately contradict him. Who knows...

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Windies didn't enforce the follow on and serenely making progress. 40-0. This is going to be over by lunch on Day 4 at latest, barring some sort of rearguard action from England's batsmen. They'll lose by 200 runs or so, I'd say.
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61/3 now. Even if we bowled them out for 150, we'd still be chasing over 350.
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Well, England decided to come to play in the field and it's now 61-5.

Still 270 odd in arrears though. Pertinent reading here http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...-300-all-tough

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