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Old 05-04-2019, 11:04 PM
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Gentleman Jack on HBO


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentle...ck_(TV_series)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uBYRcP44M4

A new show about a strong-willed and iconoclastic lesbian in 1832 England, based on a true story. My wife and I have been enjoying it. A good cast and interesting plot. The lead character breaks the fourth wall now and then, which is fun.

Anyone else watching it?
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Old 05-05-2019, 08:14 AM
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I like it so far though I find the idea that Anne (the Gentleman Jack Anne, there are two Annes/Ann? ) just decides immediately that the other Ann will be her wife and goes about seducing her to be a bit...predatory (and would think the same of a man doing the same thing but maybe its a time period thing). The characters are good, watching them to react and often relate to Anne's being herself is interesting. The creator, Sally Wainwright, also did Happy Valley which is one of my favorite shows for it's dark humor and complex characters- this seems to be similar in that way so I expect I will continue to enjoy it.
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(and would think the same of a man doing the same thing but maybe its a time period thing).
That exactly. She's measuring herself by the status of the men around her, with all their rights and privileges
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Old 05-06-2019, 12:04 PM
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That exactly. She's measuring herself by the status of the men around her, with all their rights and privileges
And arrogance and sense of entitlement.

For all the sniping her younger sister does, I really liked how pleased and proud she looked when Anne so confidently bossed around the coal-mining guy.
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Old 05-06-2019, 03:51 PM
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I'm enjoying it so far. The sets and costumes are to die for!

Watching last night's episode I was trying to figure out how they made Suranne Jones look so convincingly masculine. They've exaggerated her eyebrows, but I think they've added a bit to her nose. My sister still has an old episode of Scott and Bailey on the dvr, and we are pretty sure they did. Good make-up job, too!
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That exactly. She's measuring herself by the status of the men around her, with all their rights and privileges
Wait - have you seen it? I didn't think it had aired in the UK yet.
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Old 05-09-2019, 07:45 AM
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I've got it in my HBO Spain subscription (which works from France, yay!). Searching for gentleman in hbo uk doesn't show it, but I can't tell if it's due to bad indexation or unavailability.

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Wait - have you seen it? I didn't think it had aired in the UK yet.

Only the trailer, but there was a TV documentary and news articles about Anne Lister that made that point abundantly clear.
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Old 05-09-2019, 10:39 AM
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I've got it in my HBO Spain subscription (which works from France, yay!). Searching for gentleman in hbo uk doesn't show it, but I can't tell if it's due to bad indexation or unavailability.
It hasn't aired - they've started running trailers on BBC1 which means it must be a week or two away yet.
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Old 05-16-2019, 10:30 PM
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There was also a British TV movie nine years ago on the same topic - haven't seen it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Se...ss_Anne_Lister
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Old 06-15-2019, 10:18 PM
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Just finished S1 and enjoyed it, although the younger woman's indecision and wishy-washiness as Miss Lister courted her became very frustrating after awhile. Thought it ended on a good note, and am glad to hear it's been approved for a second season: https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/la...ntleman-jack-2

I hope in S2 she more aggressively takes on the plump, smug rich guy who's been stealing her coal, and squashes him like a bug.
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Just finished S1 and enjoyed it, although the younger woman's indecision and wishy-washiness as Miss Lister courted her became very frustrating after awhile. Thought it ended on a good note, and am glad to hear it's been approved for a second season: https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/la...ntleman-jack-2

I hope in S2 she more aggressively takes on the plump, smug rich guy who's been stealing her coal, and squashes him like a bug.
Very glad to hear it was renewed- I was very happy with the entire season. I even started watching Scott & Bailey again to watch more of Suranne Jones acting. I especially liked the season finale - everything about it from her meeting the Queen of (Netherlands?) , the white gown and Anne striding through the ballroom and the reunion between her and Miss Walker was entertaining and touching.
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Yes, agreed. And it was the Queen of Denmark (they were in Copenhagen): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_of_Hesse-Kassel
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Yes, agreed. And it was the Queen of Denmark (they were in Copenhagen): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_of_Hesse-Kassel
Thank you! I couldn't quite remember if she was in Amsterdam or somewhere else.
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I liked the series and am glad to see it renewed.

I too thought she was pretty predatory but she absolutely was emulating the way men treated women in the time.

Seems like her relationship with her sister eased up a bit towards the end of the episodes.

I was a bit turned on by Anne, even though I’m a straight woman. I think I dig androgyny. She looked fantastic!
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I liked the series and am glad to see it renewed.

I too thought she was pretty predatory but she absolutely was emulating the way men treated women in the time.

Seems like her relationship with her sister eased up a bit towards the end of the episodes.

I was a bit turned on by Anne, even though Iím a straight woman. I think I dig androgyny. She looked fantastic!
Ditto! I wasn't familiar with Suranne Jones prior to this and was surprised how feminine(and young) she looks IRL. For me it's not the character's androgynous look, though; it's her confidence and charisma.

Also, I absolutely adore the closing theme song. Stays in your head for hours, it does.
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Ditto! I wasn't familiar with Suranne Jones prior to this and was surprised how feminine(and young) she looks IRL. For me it's not the character's androgynous look, though; it's her confidence and charisma.
If you like Suranne Jones, you should catch Doctor Foster - about a doctor who's life spins out of control when her philandering husband leaves. She's amazing in it. There's two series worth.

And yes, she's supremely hot as Miss Lister, I feel amply qualified to comment, being a lesbian myself (strong, powerful women are super sexy, and the dazzling smile doesn't hurt). Her girlfriend, on the other hand, is not sexy at all as a result of her patheticness.
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I caught an episode of it when I was in the UK a couple of weeks ago. I didn't realize it was HBO--I thought it was a British show and was hoping I'd be able to find it on DVD eventually to buy and watch the whole thing.
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If you like Suranne Jones, you should catch Doctor Foster - about a doctor who's life spins out of control when her philandering husband leaves. She's amazing in it. There's two series worth.

And yes, she's supremely hot as Miss Lister, I feel amply qualified to comment, being a lesbian myself (strong, powerful women are super sexy, and the dazzling smile doesn't hurt). Her girlfriend, on the other hand, is not sexy at all as a result of her patheticness.
Thanks for the tip; I will definitely check it out. SJ just has a certain something. . .

Agreed, the limp rag love interest is an irritant. It seems like we should be meant to like her but, whether it's the actress herself or some choice made by the director, I like her not! I'd rather see Miss Lister move on to a different lucky lady.
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...I was a bit turned on by Anne, even though Iím a straight woman. I think I dig androgyny. She looked fantastic!
Me, too, as a straight guy, but my wife, teenage son and I all agreed that her usual hairstyle - with the curls on each side - looked a bit ridiculous.
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Watched it, loved it. Not every part of it, but enough so that I'm somewhat exited about a second season, even if I think it will be less enjoyable.
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my wife, teenage son and I all agreed that her usual hairstyle - with the curls on each side - looked a bit ridiculous.
Hairdos of the past often do. Who knows what people will say of ours in 200 years' time?

It'll be intriguing to see how many lookalikes turn out for the Pride parade in London in a couple of weeks' time.
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Hairdos of the past often do. Who knows what people will say of ours in 200 years' time?

It'll be intriguing to see how many lookalikes turn out for the Pride parade in London in a couple of weeks' time.
Ooh yes, I know a few striking girls who would rock this look, and luurve to wear the long tail coat.
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I am a bit late to the party, but then I do like Suranne Jones and Sally Wainwright, which is why I watched this.
The recoil and complete look of nausea and fury on her Miss Lister's face when the (allegedly) Reverend Ainsworth said that Miss Walker was more or less gagging for it was immense.
Drama students should study Suranne Jones with a microscope, because she has mastered her craft, and no mistake.

Also fairly interested in the idea that moneyed landowners at the time had some sort of sense of moral responsibility towards their tenants.

Outside of that, anything that Sally Wainwright does is absolutely worth a look. Last Tango in Halifax, Happy Valley, that thing with the two women police officers,whose names have escaped me.
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Some questions: Did the real-life Anne Lister write her diary in code? (I seem to recall some passing reference to her script being unreadable.)

Will she be hiring children to work in her coal mine, as was common at the time? (I imagine the hard-nosed businesswoman vs. the nascent humanist, who cares about a little boy who lost his leg, will come into conflict.)

What kind of misery will Uncle Ben (brother of pig-eaten Samuel) inflict on Thomas and his new bride?

And, of course, who the heck is "Gentleman Jack"? Nobody here by that name!
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Did the real-life Anne Lister write her diary in code? (I seem to recall some passing reference to her script being unreadable.)
Yup! As per Lister's entry on Wikipedia:

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In addition to her handwriting being incredibly difficult to decipher, around one-sixth of the diary is encrypted in a simple code Eliza and she had devised, combining the Greek alphabet, zodiac, punctuation, and mathematical symbols, and it describes in great detail her lesbian identity and affairs, as well as the methods she used for seduction.

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The code used in her diaries was deciphered by the last inhabitant of Shibden Hall, John Lister (1847–1933) and a friend of his, Arthur Burrell. When the content of the secret passages was revealed, Burrell advised John Lister to burn all the diaries. Lister did not take this advice, but instead continued to hide Anne Lister's diaries behind a panel at Shibden Hall.

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Some questions: Did the real-life Anne Lister write her diary in code? (I seem to recall some passing reference to her script being unreadable.)
Answered already, but yes, she certainly did. At least the passages she didn't want people to read.

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Will she be hiring children to work in her coal mine, as was common at the time? (I imagine the hard-nosed businesswoman vs. the nascent humanist, who cares about a little boy who lost his leg, will come into conflict.)
She's still a woman of her times, when working children was normal (and generally seen as beneficial for household finances), so I imagine she would.

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And, of course, who the heck is "Gentleman Jack"? Nobody here by that name!
I read that this was the nickname that locals gave her at the time (behind her back).
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