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Old 11-03-2003, 06:11 AM
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Has a Division 2 school beat a Div. 1 in football?


That's the question, sports fans. Has a Division II team ever beat a Division I team? To those who don't know, a Div. 2 team is a smaller school that a Div. 1 school puts on the schedule for an easy win. It is a less common practice now because of the BCS.

The only one that I know of was Citidel beating Arkansas about 8 to 10 years ago. The coach was fired that Monday.

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Old 11-03-2003, 06:16 AM
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Well back in the 1950s Hawaii (then Div. II) went to Nebraska and won. I'll see if I can find a link. Hope that's not too old for you.
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Old 11-03-2003, 06:25 AM
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Sep 17, 1955 Hawaii 6 - Nebraska 0.

Hawaii didn't join Div 1 until the 70s.
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Old 11-03-2003, 06:34 AM
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Damn, now that I think about it that might not count. Div. I-AA is different from Div. II, right? I'll have to go do research and come bcak to you.
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I mean Division I-AA beating Division I-A.
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Old 11-03-2003, 06:58 AM
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Heh, we weren't even Div. II material yet.

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Historical Conference Affiliations:
1921-1965 - Played a combination of High School, Service All Stars and College games
1966 Started an all-collegiate schedule with mostly division 2 schools
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1937-1972 NCAA College Division (Small College)
1973-1973 NCAA Division II
1974-1977 NCAA Division I
1978-20XX NCAA Division I-A
Oh, Div. I-AA. Then I bet that it happens often enough. I was going to bring this up before I thought you were talking about Div. II but not to long ago UH was one of the worst teams in Div. I-A and we played Div. I-AA about once a year. I know we've dropped at least one to Portland State (20 to 45) in 2000.
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I know this happens not that infrequently. I can't find any list of lower division opponents beating division IA teams, but I did find, somewhat randomly:

Division II Angelo State beats New Mexico State, 20-14, September 1986.
Division IAA Cal State Northridge beats Boise State, 63-23, September 1997.
Division IAA Southeastern Missouri State beats Middle Tennesee, 24-14, September 2002.
Division IAA Western Illinois beats Eastern Michigan, 34-12, September 2003.
Division IAA Florida Atlantic beats Middle Tennessee, 20-19, August 2003.
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Oh, I should add: Seeing a division IAA team beat a division IA team should not really come as a surprise. For the most part, the IA teams that are willing to schedule IAA teams are the weaker teams in IA; that these teams can be beaten by the better IAA teams is no surprise. For one example, consider how well Marshall has done since (and, indeed, immediately after) moving up from IAA to IA.

For another example, take a look at this example of IA/IAA power rankings (scroll to the bottom). Out of the 240 IA/IAA teams, the top four IAA rank in the top 100 overall...ahead of such IA teams as Middle Tennessee, Eastern Michigan, and New Mexico State. If you take such power rankings without the requisite grain of salt, you'd predict that the best IAA teams stand a pretty good chance against some teams in premier IA conferences (Indiana, for example, or Vandy, Duke, or Rice), while the worst IA teams (Army, NE Louisiana) are similar to middle-of-the-pack IAA teams.
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Div 2 Missouri Science and Technology beat Div 1TSU


On Oct 12, 2019, Division 2 Missouri S&T Miners beat Division 1 Texas Southern 23-20 in Houston. The Miners lead most of the game.

The Houston Chronicle in a two paragraph article mislabeled the Miners as Missouri A&T, but as Division 2. The school of 8000, is predominantly an Engineering school and known for their scholastics.

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I was reading this thinking "How could they not mention 2007 Appalachian State beating #5 Michigan"

Then I realized it's a 16-year-old zombie and the OP asked for DII vs DI.

Other games of note DI-AA (FCS) beating ranked DI-A (FBS) teams

2010 James Madison over #13 Virginia Tech
2013 Eastern Washington over #25 Oregon State
2016 North Dakota State over #13 Iowa

Most of the above were good DI-AA playoff teams, so they weren't monumental upsets, especially N Dakota State, who regularly beats FBS teams on the way to FCS titles.

In those 16 years has a D2 beating a D1?

One notable game is 2017 Howard over UNLV. UNLV is a historically bad FBS team who somehow was a 45-point favorite. I'm guessing Howard must've been a de facto D-II team for that spread?
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In those 16 years has a D2 beating a D1?
None for FBS schools. It's not really possible anymore - the NCAA doesn't allow FBS wins over D-II to 'count' so they don't get scheduled anymore.

But as above, FCS schools still schedule against D-II and some do lose with some frequency.

ETA: also, only one FBS win over an FCS school 'counts' towards bowl eligibility (and even there, a qualifying 6-6 team with no FCS opponents will win a tie-break), so there are some of these but there tend not to be too many.

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ETA: also, only one FBS win over an FCS school 'counts' towards bowl eligibility (and even there, a qualifying 6-6 team with no FCS opponents will win a tie-break), so there are some of these but there tend not to be too many.
First, the FCS team has to have given out at least 113.4 full scholarship equivalents over the previous and current season combined in order for the FBS school to count it towards bowl eligibility. Only two conferences - the Ivy League, and the NEC - have restrictions on scholarships that might have this come into play, and no Ivy school plays any FBS teams.

Second, a 6-6 team with a counted FCS win can be selected to a bowl ahead of one with all FBS wins; there is no "tiebreak" among bowl eligible teams. You may be thinking of what happens when there are more bowl berths than eligible teams, in which case, a 6-7 team has to be chosen ahead of a 5-7 team. (Hawaii and Army both play 13 games, although Army plays two FCS teams, so the only way it can have a 6-7 "counted" record is if it loses one or both of its FCS games.) Even then, a 6-7 team is behind any 5-6 team with an "uncounted" FCS win.
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Division 3 school Centre College has a victory over Division 1 Harvard.

Granted, that was in 1921, but Harvard was considerably more impressive then.
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My D 3 school, the College of Wooster, has bumped off Ohio State twice - including a 64-0 shellacking in 1890. Pretty good for a small college against an Ohio state university.
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I was reading this thinking "How could they not mention 2007 Appalachian State beating #5 Michigan"

Then I realized it's a 16-year-old zombie and the OP asked for DII vs DI.
There is no app yet to prevent zombies, but there was an App to defeat Michigan..
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I was reading this thinking "How could they not mention 2007 Appalachian State beating #5 Michigan"
I barely follow college football and that was my first thought as well.
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an Ohio state university.
I see what you did there.
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I see what you did there.
That was an attempt to avoid trademark infringement.
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