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Old 10-09-2019, 08:35 PM
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Never heard an actual "setup - punchline" format joke, the way all the Polish jokes are.
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Old 10-09-2019, 08:52 PM
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Remember that "Polack" was a pretty flexible term. It got thrown at Poles, Russians, Ukranians, Czechs, etc. Pretty much anyone with as last name that had a lot of letters in it, and who spoke English with an accent, was a Polack.

I have a Polish friend, with a stereotypically Polish name, who married a Scandinavian. Her family shot right past "Polack" and decided he was Jewish.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:04 PM
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That's the nice thing about structural, implicit racism though, right?
You did click the link, right? Does it qualify as "structural, implicit racism" if everyone is included regardless or race, creed or national origin or anything else for that matter at pretty much the same point in history? Again, I am not saying its nice but ----- have you read any of the things posted here about either political party lately?

I'm sorry but this all reminds me about the Polish joke about Polish jokes ------ this Church Council President had a bad habit of making Polish jokes at council meetings and other church functions. Finally the Pastor called him to task for it; "Johnathon -- we want to be a church open to everyone and not just the English and Irish of our community. With the coal mines opening up we have a lot of newcomers who are Eastern European and we don't want them to feel unwelcome. So next time you just HAVE to name a group in a joke make it something like the Hittites. OK?" Well, Johnathan agrees and everything is fine.

Until the next meeting when Johnathon starts his comments with "There were these two Hittites, Stash and Joe".


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(btw, my favourite one is "Why do Belgians always swim at the bottom of the swimming pool ? Because deep down, they're not all that dumb")
Of course you do know that there is a group in Eastern Europe far dumber than the Polish, don't you? Why do you think they're called SLO-vaks?


Racism? If its a sign of anything its too many nights at various comedy clubs and Johnny Carson reruns.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:09 PM
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Does it qualify as "structural, implicit racism" if everyone is included regardless or race, creed or national origin or anything else for that matter at pretty much the same point in history?
Actual ethnic bigotry isn't and wasn't as cute as Bill Cosby's portrayal. And that kind of "egalitarian" disparagement works to the advantage of a privileged class.

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have you read any of the things posted here about either political party lately?
Well, one party has embraced white supremacy, is that what you mean? I'm not sure why that would be funny.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:58 PM
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I’m half-Czech and grew up in mostly Eastern Euro ethnic Cleveland in the 60s. I never got called a Polack. That would be a sock in the nose offense, thanks to Ghoulardi.

“Bohunk.” Though I never heard any “dumb Bohunk” jokes. Probably because my last name is Irish.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:13 PM
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You know what they say about Belgians: horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae, propterea quod a cultu atque humanitate provinciae longissime absunt, minimeque ad eos mercatores saepe commeant atque ea quae ad effeminandos animos pertinent important.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:22 PM
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No; Irish people were bad-tempered drunks and I think blacks were lazy; not dumb. Dumb was pretty much just the Polish.
I grew up in an Irish-Italian neighborhood in the Bronx in the 1950s and 1960s. Both groups told ethnic jokes about the other, but they mostly involved stuff like alcohol for one and grease and garlic for the other. They rarely were about the other group being dumb. Blacks were sometimes the butt of dumb jokes, but there weren't any in the neighborhood.

Instead we told Little Moron jokes. (In my neighborhood, we just called them moron jokes.) While certainly not politically correct by today's standards, they were at least dumb jokes about folks who were by definition less than intelligent.

We had very few Poles in our neighborhood, and I never heard any Polack jokes until the late 1960s, when they became very popular especially due to being featured on TV shows like Laugh-In.
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Old 10-09-2019, 10:25 PM
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You know what they say about Belgians: horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae, propterea quod a cultu atque humanitate provinciae longissime absunt, minimeque ad eos mercatores saepe commeant atque ea quae ad effeminandos animos pertinent important.
They also put mayonnaise on their French fries (which they claim to have invented).
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As for the Polish jokes, I grew up with them, my dad telling me the most of them (he and my mom were both born in Poland.) As I like to say, "I wonder who that one dumb Pole was who ruined it for the rest of us!" But, seriously, as it's always been explained to me, many of them came here to work in the stockyards and did manual labor, didn't speak English at all or not very well, and thus were just kind of seen as "strong, but stupid."
I do think unfamiliarity with English contributes to any group's reputation as "stupid".

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Back in the 1970's, comedian Larry Wilde made a career out of books with ethnic jokes. I thought the first one was funny (I was 10, so it was probably the polish joke one), the 2nd one was 50% recycled from the first one, the third book about 80% recycled material, and I assume the pattern continued as they approached 100%.
Don't think it was those, but I did have a couple of the books with Polish and Italian jokes (printed upside down, so that when you finished with the Polish jokes, you turned the book over and read the Italian ones), including the big omnibus one that had a dozen or so ethnicities: Native Americans, Italians, Poles (natch), Irish, even Scots. As I recall, each group was associated with one particular stereotype, around which the jokes were built: Poles were stupid, Irish were stupid and drunks, Scots were stupid and cheap (I suspect the Scottish jokes were recycled Jewish jokes, that even then were beyond the pale. No Jewish jokes in the book. The other noticeable omission was African-Americans).

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I’m half-Czech and grew up in mostly Eastern Euro ethnic Cleveland in the 60s. I never got called a Polack. That would be a sock in the nose offense, thanks to Ghoulardi.

“Bohunk.” Though I never heard any “dumb Bohunk” jokes. Probably because my last name is Irish.
That describes me, as well, although my surname is Scottish; my Cleveland-born grandfather's birth name was "Poskocil". Never heard any "Bohunk" jokes, but I certainly did hear the word.

I do admit to remembering and enjoying the Scottish jokes I read. "Jock MacHoots gives his son Sandy 50p every morning to get the bus to school. One day, Sandy saves his siller and runs home behind the bus. Excited, he bursts in to tell his father, 'Da! I rin behind the boos and savit 50p!' Jock gives him a clout on the head and says, 'Ye wee numpty! Why did ye no run behind a cab and save three pun?!' "
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This question seems to come up often. I wonder why. Is it that some people are comfortable with being identified as bigots so long as they can argue that “technically, I’m not a racist, because the group I’m bigoted against isn’t a race, according to my narrow definition of the word.”
I've often wondered how and why people like you have that attitude, and where it comes from: i.e., "Anybody who is not offended at the same things that I'm offended at is a bigot."
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Threads like this is why I'm always scratching my head at the idea that the SDMB is some hot bed of liberalism.
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Threads like this is why I'm always scratching my head at the idea that the SDMB is some hot bed of liberalism.
This thread is about memory and experience, not politics.
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And then the Polacks said the Bohunks were dumb.

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Apparently it went both ways (obligatory SNL clip): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jaqg-NMz9A, but as someone upthread said it best the target of the jokes varied depending on one’s background but the punchline was the same.
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Old 10-10-2019, 03:24 PM
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I've often wondered how and why people like you have that attitude, and where it comes from: i.e., "Anybody who is not offended at the same things that I'm offended at is a bigot."
Bigotry does not hinge on whether someone is offended.
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Actual ethnic bigotry isn't and wasn't as cute as Bill Cosby's portrayal. And that kind of "egalitarian" disparagement works to the advantage of a privileged class.
Oh really? Hmmmm.



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Well, one party has embraced white supremacy, is that what you mean?
Finally he gets the point!
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Finally he gets the point!
Your point is that tribalism and bigotry poses a grave threat to the well-being of our country, its institutions, and many of its individuals? I wouldn't have thought that such a point would be worth a winking smiley.
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Bigotry does not hinge on whether someone is offended.
1. You are offended at Polack jokes.

2. You are upset that other people are NOT offended at such jokes--indeed, your anger at such people is so great that you have insulted them by calling them "bigots."

3. Q.E.D.
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1. You are offended at Polack jokes.
No.

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2. You are upset that other people are NOT offended at such jokes--indeed, your anger at such people is so great that you have insulted them by calling them "bigots."
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Nothing at all.
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We don't have these same jokes about Greeks though. In fact I don't think I've ever heard ANY jokes about Greeks.
My wife is Greek Cypriot and we've spent time in Greece, Cyprus, and Northern Cyprus. Trust me, I've heard plenty of jokes about Greeks, Cypriots, and Turks.
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