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Old 07-03-2018, 11:13 AM
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Jim Jordan accused of ignoring sexual abuse as a coach


https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/nati...487218201.html

So far he's denying any knowledge, which doesn't strike me as credible. Strikingly similar to the Michigan gymnast doctor case, IMO.
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A summary -- Jordan (R - OH) was an assistant wrestling coach for Ohio State U a few decades back, and several wrestlers have come forward and accused the team doctor (now deceased) of routinely groping wrestlers, and that at least one of them specifically told Jordan about it. Jordan denies any knowledge of this.
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Why is it always wrestling coaches?
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Pulling a Paterno? And of course the teflon coating that repubs enjoy (especially the freedom caucus'ers) will reduce this to a very quick handwave. We all have our pet peeve shitheads - mine is this twatwaffle. Jordan is about as toxic an excuse for a "statesman" in Washington as it gets. He is a psychotic, high strung fucking twatwaffle, and the schandenfraude in seeing the (incredibly unlikely) reckoning for this "oversight" would be considerable, muchly so.

Noooo problems seeing this fucker go down - too bad not here, though.

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If I were accused of allowing up to 2,000 college students get sexually abused and raped, I would be trying to undermine the FBI too.

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Why is it always Republican wrestling coaches?
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Now, we're left to wonder whether his devoted loyalty to the Dotard is that of a true believer, or that of a scared little man who's knows that there are some very interesting files on him in the Kremlin....
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I find his response not believable. Mainly because these events happened so many years ago I would expect him to be saying something along the lines of, "That's too long a time ago for me to remember accurately." But for him to definitively state that they didn't happen? That doesn't pass the sniff test.
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It's a perfect example of the cruelty that goes hand in hand with republicanism.
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Isn't the whole point of wrestling to grope each other until someone gets too uncomfortable and quits? Just like MMA
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If I were accused of allowing up to 2,000 college students get sexually abused and raped, I would be trying to undermine the FBI too.
I'd been snickering over this news until I read your post. You put it into perspective in one sentence. I hope Jordan gets his comeuppance, and I really hope those boys get some type of closure. What a shit deal. Imagine you know, that the adults know, that you're being molested and they do nothing.

And to top it all off dick-stroker Jimmy Jordan is lying to the press, telling them he is willing to assist law enforcement in anyway he can, yet he hasn't responded to the lawyers handling the case.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...sexual-n888386
Shortly after the NBC News story was published, Fury added the following statement: "He has not been contacted by investigators about the matter but will assist them in any way they ask, because if what is alleged is true, the victims deserve a full investigation and justice.”

But Kathleen Trafford of Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, the Dayton, Ohio-based law firm that was appointed as legal counsel to Ohio State, said in a statement that investigators "had previously contacted Rep. Jordan's office by email and phone to request that he participate in an interview."

"To date, Rep. Jordan has not responded to those requests," Trafford wrote. "The investigative team is continuing its efforts to schedule an interview with Rep. Jordan."
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If I were accused of allowing up to 2,000 college students get sexually abused and raped, I would be trying to undermine the FBI too.
From whence that number?
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“Strauss sexually assaulted male athletes in at least fifteen varsity sports during his employment at OSU from 1978 through 1998,” DiSabato wrote in a June 26 email to Kathleen M. Trafford of Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, the Columbus-based law firm that represents Ohio State. “Athlete victims include members of the following programs: football, basketball, wrestling, swimming, cheerleading, volleyball, lacrosse, gymnastics, ice hockey, soccer, baseball, tennis, track and cross country.”

Chillingly, DiSabato added: “Based on testimony from victim athletes from each of the aforementioned varsity sports, we estimate that Strauss sexually assaulted and/or raped a minimum of 1,500/2,000 athletes at OSU from 1978 through 1998."
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Apparently, Jordan just didn't know about this abuse.

He watched.

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“These conversations were not individual conversations,” Di Sabato (One of the wrestlers, JT) recalled. “They were conversations with a group of athletes who were complaining on a regular basis, not only about Dr. Strauss but the conditions within the hall that forced us to take showers with, not only Dr. Strauss, but other university faculty members and professors who had access to our shower facility that led to lewd acts, masturbation, excessive soaping of the groin area.”

“And Dr. Strauss took a lot of showers and soaped himself a lot,” he added. “When you look at the definition of sexual abuse and sexual assault — and Jim Jordan went on record saying he knew about the facilities, he took showers with us. He saw Dr. Strauss and others perform these acts in front of us.”

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After all the snickering from Columbus sports media and O.S.U. fans about the tribulations at Penn State and Michigan State, there's now a certain amount of comeuppance in the air.
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And of course Prez Deserves-A-Wedgie didn't get his Roy Moore suppport, so why not shill for this scumbag too.
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To be ruthlessly fair, we don't have the actual facts yet, and they will be hard to get. Where might we find a document, or some other tangible evidence? So far, its all just statements and allegations, we cannot and should not presume guilt.

By the same token, of course, Il Douche is flat-footed stone cold stupid to declare innocence. He could have been effective enough just staying within accepted bounds, the presumption of innocence, etc. But no.
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I have to say....I find it unbelievable.

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Chillingly, DiSabato added: “Based on testimony from victim athletes from each of the aforementioned varsity sports, we estimate that Strauss sexually assaulted and/or raped a minimum of 1,500/2,000 athletes at OSU from 1978 through 1998."
I mean, I could be wrong. I am not saying it did not happen. But this differs from the Michigan State and Penn State cases, in that these weren't minors and it wasn't happening to someone else. These were men. These were athletes. In Ohio. They were and are, by nature, men who were violent and assertive. Men who enjoy and seek out confrontation. There is so much machismo and homophobia built in to that culture that I find it nearly impossible to believe that more than a thousand of these men were sexually assaulted by this guy and not one of them, NOT ONE OF THEM, beat the living snot out of him? I mean, out of reflex! Does this not strain credibility with anyone?

For this to believable, there has to be at least a couple of instances where this guy was in the emergency room with a broken and bleeding nose.
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To be ruthlessly fair, we don't have the actual facts yet, and they will be hard to get. Where might we find a document, or some other tangible evidence? So far, its all just statements and allegations, we cannot and should not presume guilt.
If I were on a jury? Sure - innocent until proven guilty, all of that. But I don't live in Ohio, I'm not going to be on that jury (if there is one), and there has been to much of this bullshit. He (the doctor) looks to weigh the same as a duck, so I say burn him.

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I have to say....I find it unbelievable.



I mean, I could be wrong. I am not saying it did not happen. But this differs from the Michigan State and Penn State cases, in that these weren't minors and it wasn't happening to someone else. These were men. These were athletes. In Ohio. They were and are, by nature, men who were violent and assertive. Men who enjoy and seek out confrontation. There is so much machismo and homophobia built in to that culture that I find it nearly impossible to believe that more than a thousand of these men were sexually assaulted by this guy and not one of them, NOT ONE OF THEM, beat the living snot out of him? I mean, out of reflex! Does this not strain credibility with anyone?

For this to believable, there has to be at least a couple of instances where this guy was in the emergency room with a broken and bleeding nose.
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“And Dr. Strauss took a lot of showers and soaped himself a lot,” he added. “When you look at the definition of sexual abuse and sexual assault — and Jim Jordan went on record saying he knew about the facilities, he took showers with us. He saw Dr. Strauss and others perform these acts in front of us.”
Was he is describing is not subtle or sneaky.

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And it wasn't secret, either.

The Law of Large Numbers says there HAD to be a couple of times where he guessed wrong and got his ass kicked.
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I'd been snickering over this news until I read your post. You put it into perspective in one sentence. I hope Jordan gets his comeuppance, and I really hope those boys get some type of closure. What a shit deal. Imagine you know, that the adults know, that you're being molested and they do nothing.

And to top it all off dick-stroker Jimmy Jordan is lying to the press, telling them he is willing to assist law enforcement in anyway he can, yet he hasn't responded to the lawyers handling the case.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...sexual-n888386
Shortly after the NBC News story was published, Fury added the following statement: "He has not been contacted by investigators about the matter but will assist them in any way they ask, because if what is alleged is true, the victims deserve a full investigation and justice.”

But Kathleen Trafford of Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, the Dayton, Ohio-based law firm that was appointed as legal counsel to Ohio State, said in a statement that investigators "had previously contacted Rep. Jordan's office by email and phone to request that he participate in an interview."

"To date, Rep. Jordan has not responded to those requests," Trafford wrote. "The investigative team is continuing its efforts to schedule an interview with Rep. Jordan."
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Trump's backing came a few hours after the revelations that the legal team investigating the doctor for Ohio State used the wrong email address when they tried to contact Jordan twice in May.

The error explains the discrepancy between accounts from a lawyer hired by OSU and the Urbana Republican about whether he was contacted for the probe of the doctor. What remains unexplained is why Jordan's office has no records of phone calls from the investigators.

"While the independent investigators reviewing allegations of sexual abuse by the late Dr. Richard Strauss attempted to contact Representative Jim Jordan by these emails and a follow up phone call on June 12, it appears that Representative Jordan did not receive these messages," attorney Kathleen Trafford said in a statement provided by Ohio State. She added that investigators "are communicating on next steps with his office now."
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Was he is describing is not subtle or sneaky.



And it wasn't secret, either.

The Law of Large Numbers says there HAD to be a couple of times where he guessed wrong and got his ass kicked.
We don't know that he didn't. Think he'd tell anybody?
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This guy was on Bret Baier and it did not go well. To quote Josh Marshall:

VERY TELLING. Jordan repeatedly notes this distinction: "Conversations in a locker room are a lot different than allegations of abuse or reported abuse to us." Seems to be falling back on *formal accusations*, just discussed and common knowledge.

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He also went on a rosenstein and Hillary Clinton riff claiming this is all about protecting them.
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Molesting children to own the libs is so 2017.
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Tired: Molesting Children to own the libs

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Applying the Trump-Cosby equation: the more victims that come forward, the stronger the proof that it's a hoax.
How exactly does your response have anything to do with what I quoted?
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Jordan is running against Janet Garret in November. In 2016, Jordan beat Garret 68-32. I don't know anything about that district, but it is very oddly shaped. The shape and lopsided contest in 2016 lead me to believe that the district is heavily gerrymandered. So, it looks like a safe bet that he'll be reelected, thereby disproving at least half of the conventional wisdom about dead girls and live boys.

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Eh, he has to make it to running. His interview today gave his opposition plenty of ammo, especially compared to his earlier statements. This scandal is just beginning, and could get much larger.

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"Running" in my first sentence above should be "election day".
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"Running" in my first sentence above should be "election day".
I do that all the time.
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So, I posted the following on Twitter just yesterday in response to JJ's interview:

https://twitter.com/JohnT15/status/1...497143297?s=19

"Interesting that the default position is that Jim Jordan was not a participant"

https://twitter.com/JohnT15/status/1...301800449?s=19

'But moving closer to "yeah, but we were just horsing around! Having fun! And they were all of the legal age of consent!" '

Last night, the following came out:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...estling-699192

Buried in the story is this paragraph:

"Even defenders of Jordan told POLITICO that the environment in Larkins Hall was abhorrent. Jordan used to work out with the students and use the sauna with them, even creating his own jocular “King of the Sauna” award at the end of the year for the wrestler who was best at trash talking his opponents and boasting of his successes post-practice. That’s why several wrestlers said it‘s implausible that Jordan didn’t see anything, despite his denials."

In time, I bet, it will be revealed that Jordan participated in this culture of deviancy. We will see, but in 3, 4 days we have gone from:

1. I knew nothing
2. Well, locker room talk isn't the same as allegations, therefore I didn't do anything
3. "But coach, you took saunas with us, so many that you created Sauna Awards..."
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In addition, who here believes that a culture of toxic masculinity and sexual aggression limited itself only to male victims?

Find the women involved in these programs and I'll bet their stories will be even worse.
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So, the guys that have come forth are operatives of the Hillary/Soros cabal. Targeting the guy who's just getting warmed up to pry the truth out of that renegade Maoist FBI agent. Exactly how many illegal children has Hillary requisitioned for her sex farm?

OK, that explains them, liberal fanatics.

What about everybody else? If this is total bullshit, and nothing like this happened, then wouldn't everybody else be calling the press, posting on FB, denouncing this horrendous injustice? And we definitely would have heard by now. Maybe just my suspicious nature, but got a nickel says they are already nosing around, looking for him.
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Typo Negative, yes, these are adult men. But they're very young adult men. And most of them are probably on scholarship for their sport. How likely are you to risk losing that scholarship by reporting or physically assaulting university sports staff (even in self-defense, which requires the school to believe your story that you were sexually assaulted) especially in the time period in which this was happening (well before #MeToo)?
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Typo Negative, yes, these are adult men. But they're very young adult men. And most of them are probably on scholarship for their sport. How likely are you to risk losing that scholarship by reporting or physically assaulting university sports staff (even in self-defense, which requires the school to believe your story that you were sexually assaulted) especially in the time period in which this was happening (well before #MeToo)?
I’ll also add that in most sports there is a very strong sense of obedience to authority. Especially for younger athletes. Coach says swim an extra 200 butterfly, you do it. Coach says stay after practice and shoot another thirty free throws, you do it. Team Doctor says here’s how you rehab your knee, and you don’t ask questions... and so if Team Doctor says oh, I’ll be showering with you guys, there may not be the pushback you’d expect.
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I’ll also add that in most sports there is a very strong sense of obedience to authority. Especially for younger athletes. Coach says swim an extra 200 butterfly, you do it. Coach says stay after practice and shoot another thirty free throws, you do it. Team Doctor says here’s how you rehab your knee, and you don’t ask questions... and so if Team Doctor says oh, I’ll be showering with you guys, there may not be the pushback you’d expect.
We are talking about sexual assaults\rapes, not him showering with the athletes.

Sure, some may keep their mouths shut and not do anything. Many, even. You could say 'most' would submit to groping in order to not jeopardize their scholarships....... but ALL??? (and not all members of the sports teams have scholarships)

In a sample size that was quoted earlier as being 1500 to 2000 men?? No outliers? That the abuser guessed correctly about young men who would submit to abuse and keep their mouth shut every time? In group consisting largely of Neanderthals with poor impulse control? (do y'all not remember what wrestlers and football players were like in high school?) All old enough to be soldiers?

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Strauss sexually assaulted and/or raped a minimum of 1,500/2,000 athletes at OSU from 1978 through 1998."
That works out to at least 75 sexual assaults\rapes every year. That would have to be one of the most prolific rapists ever.

Listen, if someone produces a document about him being taken to an E.R. with injuries consistent with a beating, that would go a long way. Or a statement that it was not uncommon for him to show up to work with a black eye. Any group that large, men or women, at least a few would have fought.
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... it's as if Typo has never heard the names Jerry Sandusky, Larry Nassar, Bill Cosby, or Donald Trump at all.
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... it's as if Typo has never heard the names Jerry Sandusky, Larry Nassar, Bill Cosby, or Donald Trump at all.
Fake news! Derp state! But Hillary! Bengahzi!
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How many accusers exactly have come forward exactly? I read one of them served time in prison for fraud and another was sued for frivolous lawsuits and threatening a woman. It's hard to say till more concrete facts are available but if the guy really abused that many people it seems like there would be plenty of accusers.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.daily...rdan-accusers/
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I have nothing to add except for this irrelevant fact: Jim Jordan lives less than 5 miles from me. I drive by his house all the time when I go to Urbana. He built a couple buildings adjacent to him home for his "Wrestling Camp."

Wrestling is really really big in these parts.
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