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Old 09-23-2019, 07:58 PM
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Is it too soon? I have no idea WTF the Blazers are thinking. They traded away their front court and finally got rid of Myers Leonard, who has got to be the luckiest player to ever pick up a ball. I don't know why any other team would want him, given his erratic performance with Portland. Portland is now without an experienced center, since Nurkic will be out for another five months or more. They've taken on Pau Gasol, who has had a good career, but the guy has to just be milking a paycheck at his age. How much punishment can his body take? Big Skinny (Zach Collins) has a lot of heart and skill, but he needs to pack on about 30 pounds of muscle to bang with the big guys underneath. Portland went deep last year, but I have my doubts about this season.
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Old 09-23-2019, 08:08 PM
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The Wizards will struggle to win 10 games. They may challenge the Bobcats for worst winning percentage over a season (the 2011 Bobcats went 7-59 in a 66-game shortened season). Bradley Beal is going to have to stand on his head every night for them to even be in the game.
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Bradley Beal is going to have to stand on his head every night for them to even be in the game.
Should we say the same for rookie RJ Barrett in NY?

Hell, I'll be happy with a 46-win season for Raptors this season, as long as they make the play-offs.


So who'll be the most fearsome twosome?

Leonard/George
James/Davis
Durant/Irving
Westbrook/Harden (methinks this last pairing could turn out to be a battle of demented egos)
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I hope this isn't threadshitting, but the NBA put the almighty dollar well above free speech and doing what is right.

The GM of the Houston Rockets texted: "Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong.”. A very reasonable, accurate, and positive point.

The NBA almost immediately apologized to China and its autocratic, intolerant, and corrupt government for said tweet.

I shouldn't be surprised, but, once again, it's a reminder of what really matters. Not supporting democracy. Not helping change minds that are controlled by propaganda. Not taking a stand. It's all about the money.

Very, very sad. And predictable.
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FWIW, Commissioner Adam Silver, in a statement earlier today with Kyodo News, supported Morey's right to free expression: https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2...-in-tokyo.html

Frankly, it was more supportive of Morey than I was expecting. I was expecting a statement that was about as cravenly cozening to the Chinese Communist party as New Jersey Nets owner Joe Tsai's was. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ey-china-tweet

Though I think Tillman Fertitta is going to have put those Landry's Restaurant Group expansion into mainland China dreams on hold for awhile...
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Old 10-08-2019, 11:01 AM
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The NBA almost immediately apologized to China and its autocratic, intolerant, and corrupt government for said tweet.
I keep reading this - that the NBA "apologized to China and its government," but I don't see where it's true. Here's the entirety of the NBA's statement:

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We recognize that the views expressed by Houston Rockets general manager Daryl Morey have deeply offended many of our friends and fans in China, which is regrettable. While Daryl has made it clear that his tweet does not represent the Rockets or the NBA, the values of the league support individuals’ educating themselves and sharing their views on matters important to them. We have great respect for the history and culture of China and hope that sports and the NBA can be used as a unifying force to bridge cultural divides and bring people together.
None of this constitutes an apology. At most, the first sentence is a sort of "sorry that you're offended" kind of thing, which is not at all an apology. And the rest of the statement is basically saying, Daryl Morey's position is not necessarily our position, but we support and respect his right to express his position.

Did I miss some other statement by the NBA in which they apologized to China or its government? Or apologized at all? The Rockets owner did publish a bit of a grovel, and no doubt forced Morey to make his own follow-up semi-apology, but that's on Tillman Fertita and not the NBA. I think the NBA as an institution and Adam Silver in particular has threaded the needle reasonably well here.
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Westbrook/Harden (methinks this last pairing could turn out to be a battle of demented egos)
I am at a loss for how anyone can possibly think the 2 most selfish guards in the league should share a backcourt. Sure PG and Kawhi play the same position and are basically the same player, but the depth and breath of their skills leads to a versatility that should allow them to play well together. Westbrook and Harden? There just aren't enough balls on the court for this to make sense.

It's starting to feel like teams are more interested in putting recognizable names together and letting them figure it out rather than building a cohesive team.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:53 PM
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The Blazers played their first pre-season game and lost to Denver. The second unit is looking pretty strong: good fast break action and passing. I can see Mario Hezonja taking over a starting forward position; lots of hustle and good court sense.
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I keep reading this - that the NBA "apologized to China and its government," but I don't see where it's true. Here's the entirety of the NBA's statement:



None of this constitutes an apology. At most, the first sentence is a sort of "sorry that you're offended" kind of thing, which is not at all an apology. And the rest of the statement is basically saying, Daryl Morey's position is not necessarily our position, but we support and respect his right to express his position.

Did I miss some other statement by the NBA in which they apologized to China or its government? Or apologized at all? The Rockets owner did publish a bit of a grovel, and no doubt forced Morey to make his own follow-up semi-apology, but that's on Tillman Fertita and not the NBA. I think the NBA as an institution and Adam Silver in particular has threaded the needle reasonably well here.
The issue is that the other statement, translated into Chinese, read 'the league was “extremely disappointed” by Morey’s “inappropriate” Tweet, which “severely hurt the feelings of Chinese fans.”' Thus the clarification in the second statement yesterday.

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I am at a loss for how anyone can possibly think the 2 most selfish guards in the league should share a backcourt. Sure PG and Kawhi play the same position and are basically the same player, but the depth and breath of their skills leads to a versatility that should allow them to play well together. Westbrook and Harden? There just aren't enough balls on the court for this to make sense.

It's starting to feel like teams are more interested in putting recognizable names together and letting them figure it out rather than building a cohesive team.
And yet they coexisted on a Thunder team that almost won the NBA Finals, while baby Westbrook and baby Harden averaged 40 points a game between them AND Durant won his third scoring title.

The same thing was said when Chris Paul joined the Rockets, and he and Harden found an equilibrium as well. Even then, there are plenty of minutes available, and there's not exactly a bevy of talent at the 2. Westbrook chucked up a LOT of bad shots, but he wasn't exactly given the best shooters to pass to. Outside of George or Adams (LOL), who exactly was going to step up on last year's Thunder squad? They'll find a way to coexist. If they don't, then one of them gets to lead the second squad, and the baskets will flow come playoff time, as neither superstar had to put an entire squad on his back just to get there.

I'm curious to see how it works out, but I'm not pessimistic as many seem to be.
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What should happen for the Rockets is Westbrook becomes the primary initial ball handler, with a main goal to push the pace. WB should either immediately find an open 3 pt shooter or lob to Capela, or slash to the basket. Way to the basket blocked? Kick it to James or another shooter, or Capela for a dunk. James gets the ball, either shoot whatever he wants, let him try to break his man/men down off the dribble, or pass it as above.

If WB shoots anything over 8 feet that isn't a 3? Tase him. James is one of the slowest paced players in the league; WB, one of the quickest, once upon a time. So let WB push the ball up first. The defense collapses around WB, James, or Gordon, House, Tucker, or Capela get open: shoot. Gordon in particular was one of the better shooters in the NBA for the last two months of the season. Defense? Shrug.

How it will actually work? You've got me. I suspect badly, although everyone is making the right noises now.
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The Blazers played their first pre-season game and lost to Denver. The second unit is looking pretty strong: good fast break action and passing. I can see Mario Hezonja taking over a starting forward position; lots of hustle and good court sense.
I didn't watch the game, but read a lot of excitement on Denver's side around Michael Porter, Jr. He was drafted in the first round last year and missed the whole season to injury, so this was actually his debut in a Nuggets jersey.
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...If WB shoots anything over 8 feet that isn't a 3? Tase him...
WB today against the Raptors, 22 PTS, 3-11 from 3, 4-6 otherwise, 3 RB, 4 Ast, 4 TO, 3 Stl, 5 fouls, in 25 minutes. So he's at least not taking long 2s. It's a start.

Per knowledgeable Rockets fans who watched the game, the pieces are there, but everyone looks really rusty and confused about working with each other. We'll see.
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What should happen for the Rockets is Westbrook becomes the primary initial ball handler, with a main goal to push the pace. WB should either immediately find an open 3 pt shooter or lob to Capela, or slash to the basket. Way to the basket blocked? Kick it to James or another shooter, or Capela for a dunk. James gets the ball, either shoot whatever he wants, let him try to break his man/men down off the dribble, or pass it as above.

If WB shoots anything over 8 feet that isn't a 3? Tase him. James is one of the slowest paced players in the league; WB, one of the quickest, once upon a time. So let WB push the ball up first. The defense collapses around WB, James, or Gordon, House, Tucker, or Capela get open: shoot. Gordon in particular was one of the better shooters in the NBA for the last two months of the season. Defense? Shrug.

How it will actually work? You've got me. I suspect badly, although everyone is making the right noises now.
[I don't have any stats to back this up so...]

In my opinion, both Westbrook and Harden are most effective with the ball in their respective hands and both typically require some extended setup time to get to their preferred spots to take their preferred shots. I also think both shoot better off the dribble vs spot up and I don't think Westbrook is a very good shooter overall (great player, just not a good shooter). Add to that the fact that both players have spent the last however many years dribbling the air out of the ball for most of the shot clock and just don't think either guy has a game that is capable of adjusting to the other.

I like what you laid out as a basic frame work for early game possessions but I fear that when the pace inevitably slows down at the end of every game we're going to see Westbrook handle the ball and take the shot for one trip then Harden will do the same for the next (much like the failed offense Durant and Westbrook used to run in OKC). I think they would have better success if one of them came off the bench and they interacted as little as possible.
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A bit off topic, but NBA related. What’s the atmosphere like for visiting fans at the United Center in Chicago for the Chicago Bulls vs Washington Wizards? The Jordan thing is long past. Good natured banter or beat up in the restroom? It’s been a few years since I’ve been to a Bulls game, I don’t particularly remember the crowd being too rowdy and mostly directed to the refs because they were allowing an insane amount of traveling.
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Klay is "likely" out for the season, according to Steve Kerr.

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I'm not particularly shocked by that one. AFAIK, the most likely scenario was for Thompson the return at the start of the playoffs. Time will tell, but I'm pretty sure they'll get there, even in the West, without Klay.

And that's utterly ridiculous.
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It's too bad we're gonna have to wait a while before seeing Zion play.
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It's too bad we're gonna have to wait a while before seeing Zion play.
So what is Zion - 6'6'', 6'7"? 285 lbs? There's speculation that his physique won't be able to weather the incredible athletic dynamics he exerts on it. Apparently treadmill tests shows he's actually more than adequately fit, but a ten-or-so-year NBA career is a whole different batch of skittles, so we'll see.

Could maybe lose 10 or so pounds?
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So what is Zion - 6'6'', 6'7"? 285 lbs? There's speculation that his physique won't be able to weather the incredible athletic dynamics he exerts on it. Apparently treadmill tests shows he's actually more than adequately fit, but a ten-or-so-year NBA career is a whole different batch of skittles, so we'll see.

Could maybe lose 10 or so pounds?
Officially 6'6". There have been some concerns about his feet being smaller than usual for his size, and the stress being built like a linebacker could put on them.
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The Blazers broke their opening game winning streak (18) with a loss to Denver. They still don't seem to be able to figure out how to control Murray, and apparently refuse to believe that Jokic can now hit the three. On the bright side, Hassan Whiteside is a huge asset (16-19 and some blocks). With him in the middle and Collins at forward, they've got a good combination of height and speed.
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Dang, Thomas Bryant (who?!) looking like Dirk last night.

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I'm impressed with the almost perfect symmetry of the Western Conference standings at the moment. Four at the top at 2-0, four at the bottom at 0-2, four in the middle at 1-1, and one at 1-0, and two at 0-1 that messes it up.
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Blazers squeaked out a win over Dallas tonight, though it looked like a blowout in the first half for Dallas. Big Skinny injured his shoulder again, which may mean three centers sitting on the bench for the Spurs game tomorrow night.
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With no more Kawhi, Raptors will have to scramble to compensate for his absence, like solid defense, which is most definitely already a thing, this season, for TO:
Last year, they kept the opposition to under 40% for a grand total of five games, while this season, in only four games, they've already kept them to under that three times, incredibly.

ETA: Currently have the lowest opp FG% this season, at 37.3.

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[I don't have any stats to back this up so...]

In my opinion, both Westbrook and Harden are most effective with the ball in their respective hands and both typically require some extended setup time to get to their preferred spots to take their preferred shots. I also think both shoot better off the dribble vs spot up and I don't think Westbrook is a very good shooter overall (great player, just not a good shooter). Add to that the fact that both players have spent the last however many years dribbling the air out of the ball for most of the shot clock and just don't think either guy has a game that is capable of adjusting to the other.

I like what you laid out as a basic frame work for early game possessions but I fear that when the pace inevitably slows down at the end of every game we're going to see Westbrook handle the ball and take the shot for one trip then Harden will do the same for the next (much like the failed offense Durant and Westbrook used to run in OKC). I think they would have better success if one of them came off the bench and they interacted as little as possible.
Kenny Smith has pegged the Rockets to go all the way this year.
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Wiz lose a crazy game to the Rockets by one point. So far Washington is 1-4, but their total point differential on the season is just -1.
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Steph Curry. Broken hand. Enough said.
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This is going to end up like when the David Robinson Spurs got Tim Duncan.
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Kenny Smith has pegged the Rockets to go all the way this year.
The west is going to be interesting this year but I just can't see that happening unless they figure out how to play some kinda/anykinda defense...158 points to the Wiz?

I will admit the Harden-Westrbrook combo is working better than I expected but it looks like they're taking turns on who gets to jack up most of the shots on a game by game basis.

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This is going to end up like when the David Robinson Spurs got Tim Duncan.
I hope you are right!

There isn't really a Duncan-esque player in the draft this year, though. Obviously a lot can change but James Wiseman appears to make the most sense for the Warriors at this point.
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Ah, well. It was a great run and every dynasty must fall eventually. We'll see what next year brings.
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Blazers are presently giving Philly all they can handle, even with four (yes, four) seven-footers sitting on the bench. 68-57 at the half.
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Well, after managing to lose to Philly, the Blazers completed their humiliation by losing to Golden State, who managed to field a team of bench players and rookies. It's gonna be a long season, I fear.
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With no more Kawhi, Raptors will have to scramble to compensate for his absence, like solid defense, which is most definitely already a thing, this season, for TO:
Last year, they kept the opposition to under 40% for a grand total of five games, while this season, in only four games, they've already kept them to under that three times, incredibly.
They're playing damn good basketball. A lot depends on the development they get from Spicy P and OG, and so far the former is off to a flying start.

I have not liked what I've seen from Marc Gasol, which is concerning.

I figured they'd go about 48-34, and right now I'm still pretty confident in that.
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Washington on pace to win 27 games. Color me impressed!

(they won't, they'll probably lose 9 out of every 10, but they'll make everyone earn it, which is actually positive progress)
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I'm going to the Bulls game tonight to get a up close and personal look at LeBron and AD together. I expect it to be a bloodbath, but here's to hoping the Bulls decide to try and score 130 (while giving up 135).

Also kinda hoping Coby White gets a lot of run.
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They're playing damn good basketball. A lot depends on the development they get from Spicy P and OG, and so far the former is off to a flying start.

I have not liked what I've seen from Marc Gasol, which is concerning.

I figured they'd go about 48-34, and right now I'm still pretty confident in that.
Hey, we have a Gasol, too. Ours has a broken foot, so he's useless to us. Just found out that Zach Collins will be out for 60 games to rehab his shoulder. And of course Nerk won't be back until at least April. I see a lot of small ball coming, and it won't be pretty.
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The Rockets have gone over the last three games, from giving up 60+% from the field and 50+% from 3 to the Wizards, to 40 and 10 percent to the Grizzlies. It's a start. They are still playing horrible defense, but at least it's not league-worst of all time.

They play a very battered Warriors team tonight. I'm curious to see how they defend, and if Harden and Gordon's shots will begin to start falling.
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Jesus Christ, Orlando is playing some of the best defense in the league but can't make a damn shot to save their lives.
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Steph Curry out for year with broken hand.
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Lillard sets a franchise record with 60 points in a loss to the Nets. McCollum is in his usual 10 game slump after one good game. The guy has become unreliable on the court. When a rookie (Simons) out-scores you in every game, your days are numbered. Good show by rookie Nasir Little in his first pro game. The guy has hustle and drive.

My guess is that Portland will be 3-8 by Thanksgiving.
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Golden State is denying this. Apparently Dion Waiters overdosed on edibles in the Miami team plane.
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Jesus fucking Cripes: three more are likely on the bench, two of them the remaining centers. They are actually having to call up someone from the G-League to play the position.
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Celtics player Gordon Hayward suffered another injury.

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538.com pegged the Raptors as going 48-34, just like RickJay. I think they’ll do better, and am calling for 56-26. They’re off to a pretty good start, though injuries might hurt.

I liked watching playing Golden State and hope they manage to rebuild with all the injuries. It’s sad and painful to see.
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The Lakers heavy favourites over the Raptors, with Lowry out and Ibaka day to day. But the Raptors dominated the second half and pulled through. Depth of their roster continues to impress. I don’t think they’ll repeat, but I do think they’ll surprise folks.
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Clippers-Raptors should be a good game tonight. Two good teams, one moving up and the other moving down (in the bigger picture), but both should do pretty well in the playoffs.

I’d never heard of Montrezl Harrell (Clippers 6’7”power forward) until yesterday. Apparently quite a player — any thoughts?
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Clippers-Raptors should be a good game tonight. Two good teams, one moving up and the other moving down (in the bigger picture), but both should do pretty well in the playoffs.

I’d never heard of Montrezl Harrell (Clippers 6’7”power forward) until yesterday. Apparently quite a player — any thoughts?
Harrell is pretty formidable. He chewed through the Blazer defense like they weren't there.
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Looking forward to the game. We’ll see if the Raptors third strings shine again when the pressure is on. The Clippers are a great team. They’re goin’ down!
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538.com pegged the Raptors as going 48-34, just like RickJay. I think they’ll do better, and am calling for 56-26. They’re off to a pretty good start, though injuries might hurt.
Kyle Lowry is out for at least a month and that will cost them a few games, and Serge Ibaka is out for maybe several months and that won't help matters. As great as they looked against the Lakers last night, giving Lowry's minutes to Norm Powell is not going to be an upgrade, and Chris Boucher isn't going to be that good every night.

I think 56-26 is really, really optimistic but this is a really good team with a great coach and a GM who knows how to find talent. Going deep in the playoffs remains in the cards. Coming out of the East is still entirely possible.
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