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Colin Kaepernick was reportedly approached about joining a team in the AAF but he wanted $20 million. If true, this guy is not serious about playing football. Not that he necessarily should have taken the $250k or whatever the AAF offered, but $20M is insane.

ETA: Tim Tebow was also approached but would rather focus on baseball.
Kaepernick just settled his collusion claim with the NFL. Terms are confidential of course, but reports are saying that he's getting $60 to $80 million.
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Colin Kaepernick was reportedly approached about joining a team in the AAF but he wanted $20 million. If true, this guy is not serious about playing football. Not that he necessarily should have taken the $250k or whatever the AAF offered, but $20M is insane.
I believe that’s plausible but I’m also very wary of any report I read about Kaepernick that’s not totally verified (either positively or negatively). He’s such a polarizing political figure at the point that “reports” and “rumors” are likely embellished or even invented by people with an agenda. So I take this with a grain of salt.

That said, I recall when he tried out for the Seahawks (because I thought he’d be a great backup; his athletic running QB style would mesh well). But they ended up not reaching an agreement because both the team and him concluded he should be a starter somewhere. Which I took as code for saying he demanded starter money.
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Kaepernick just settled his collusion claim with the NFL. Terms are confidential of course, but reports are saying that he's getting $60 to $80 million.
Wow. Good for him then. It seemed pretty obvious to me that teams were blackballing Colin.
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:28 PM
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I’m watching Memphis and Arizona right now. My first chance to catch an AAF game. I like it, it feels a lot like the NFL but with much fewer (and shorter) breaks. And I recognize a lot of the players. It’s much better than I thought it would be.
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Helluva comeback by my Apollos yesterday. I had to work this weekend so I only caught the fourth quarter, but the team definitely has resolve and will be a tough challenge for anyone in the league to match up with.

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It seems that the AAF needed a $250 million bailout after its first week. Ouch.
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As I'm sure you know, many of these came about organically, which I think is the key.

One example you omitted is the Chicago Cubs, who were named that somewhat derisively by a local paper and it stuck. The "Cubs" moniker being a criticism of the team's youth during a rebuilding process following a couple decades of massive success.
Sure, there are lots of examples like that. "Giants" came organically from them being called that as a nickname, as did "Dodgers." "Cardinals" and "Reds" were references to uniform color. Allegedly, the Pirates got that name when the American Association's Pittsburgh team accused them of being "piratical" for stealing a player from them. The Yankees (previously Highlanders) got their name from the press, who got it from who knows where.

It is perhaps instructive that names that teams stumbled onto accidentally are just as popular as ones carefully selected by marketeers.
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It seems that the AAF needed a $250 million bailout after its first week. Ouch.
Yeah, I saw that this morning -- that really doesn't sound good. It seems likely to me that they had a pretty good handle on what their costs were going to be, and the income they were going to get from TV / media were already established, so this suggests to me that overall attendance was substantially below their projections.

The infusion of cash from Dundon will probably keep them going for a while, but if the league isn't able to improve their income, I can't imagine that he (or other investors) will be willing to keep throwing money at it for long.
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If they're going to lose a quarter billion every week, they won't finish even one season.
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If they're going to lose a quarter billion every week, they won't finish even one season.
I suspect that they didn't lose a quarter-billion that week; while the article notes that they needed a cash infusion in order to make payroll, I would expect that the $250 million that they received from Dundon wasn't just to make that weekly payroll, but to keep the league solvent for long enough to (they hope) get their feet under them.

If I'm mistaken, then, yeah, I can't see them even making it through the season.
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Grrr I was hoping this one would work out, but it doesn't look good.

The optimist in me says they always planned to lose a shitload of money and was banking (heh) on some investors coming in mid-season once they saw how the league looked/felt. That this was a planned effort all along. So I'm going to go with that for now.
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Even if it takes them a whole season to lose a quarter billion, it's still over (and there won't be an XFL2, either). Where is the increased revenue going to come from to cover that kind of outlay?
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Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am), but don't most new businesses lose money in their first few years of existence?
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Yeah now that I watched and enjoyed a game I want this league to work. I hope they don’t go bust the first year.
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Yes, but they can survive that if they have, and execute, a business plan for building their revenue to a net positive cash flow before the lenders pull the plug. If this league has such a plan, or that one is even possible, that is not evident.

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Correct me if I'm wrong (and I probably am), but don't most new businesses lose money in their first few years of existence?
It's not uncommon, no. And, the AAF seems to be being run by people who understand the business, so, I would have to imagine that they expected to not be turning a profit right away.

But, what the Post article, and the last-minute addition of a major investor, both suggest is that their initial cash flow wound up being *much* lower than they had planned.

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I think their timing was terrible, starting right after everyone’s appetite for football has been quenched, you’ve had a December of college bowl games, NFL playoffs and college championship in January, Super Bowl in February and then now you want to start play in a minor league? Look, I get that there are some who love football above all but a lot of sports fans are ready for a break.

I watched some of the Australian baseball league once January rolled around, I don’t want to see more baseball right after the World Series.
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I think their timing was terrible, starting right after everyone’s appetite for football has been quenched, you’ve had a December of college bowl games, NFL playoffs and college championship in January, Super Bowl in February and then now you want to start play in a minor league? Look, I get that there are some who love football above all but a lot of sports fans are ready for a break.

I watched some of the Australian baseball league once January rolled around, I don’t want to see more baseball right after the World Series.
But when else would they have played? Since their intention is to be AAA NFL, they can't play during the season (that takes out fall and winter) they also can't play during training camp (that takes out the summer) the spring is their best bet.
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But when else would they have played? Since their intention is to be AAA NFL, they can't play during the season (that takes out fall and winter)
Why wouldn't weeknights during football season work? When you want some, and it's a Tuesday or Wednesday, you're SOL until Thursday Night Football, then Friday HS games and Saturday NCAA, etc. A football league that plays during football season might have a chance, but it just hasn't been tried.
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As it appears, from the little bit of reading that I’ve done, they’ve had several games already that have had poor attendance due, in part, to really lousy weather.

I suspect that they started their season immediately after the Suoer Bowl to take advantage of a (relatively) light sports calendar in February — start in March, and their first few weeks (when they are hoping to build a fan base) get buried by March Madness. An April start is up against the start of the MLB season, etc.

But, February suffers from often-lousy weather, even in the South, as well as Super Bowl hangover. There’s probably no ideal window for them.
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