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Old 03-16-2018, 10:23 PM
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Seven Days At Entebbe

Given it just opened today, I suspect it will take a couple days to get an answer. That said, several times the movie reverts to a very interesting dance scene. Anyone have any information/observations on this?

BTW, its a great history lesson.
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Old 03-16-2018, 11:54 PM
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I remember back in the '70s, TWO (count 'em, TWO!) movies about the raid came out almost immediately after it happened. IIRC, one starred Richard Dreyfus as Jonathan, the other had an ensemble cast with Peter Finch and Elizabeth Taylor.

The reviewer on TV said they were both bringing down the house in Israeli cinemas. I wonder how this film is going to stand up.
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Old 03-17-2018, 03:33 AM
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That said, several times the movie reverts to a very interesting dance scene. Anyone have any information/observations on this?
My guess that it was supposed to be the Batsheva Dance Company.
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:01 AM
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It's not supposed to be, it was them.
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:17 AM
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The lead actor, Daniel Brühl, has been turning up everywhere lately. The Alienist, I just re-watched Captain America: Civil War, turned on The Cloverfield Paradox the other day and there he was. I checked imdb and he's been steadily working for a while.

Anyone actually seen this yet?
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Old 03-18-2018, 02:50 AM
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Given the generally bad reviews, I'll probably watch this one at home, eventually. I'd would like to see how Lior Ashkenzi (a very talented Israeli actor) does Yitzhak Rabin.
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Old 03-18-2018, 09:16 AM
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Given the generally bad reviews, I'll probably watch this one at home, eventually. I'd would like to see how Lior Ashkenzi (a very talented Israeli actor) does Yitzhak Rabin.
As a movie, it was not all that good. As a history lesson is was very good. Assuming it didn't stray too far from reality, it was more a documentary.
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Old 03-18-2018, 10:04 PM
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Given the generally bad reviews, I'll probably watch this one at home, eventually. I'd would like to see how Lior Ashkenzi (a very talented Israeli actor) does Yitzhak Rabin.
I was a bit surprised by the way they portrayed his and Peres’ relationship. It implied Peres was the more militant.

It actually has Rabin say to him, “If we refuse to negotiate with them[the PLO] this war will never end!”

I found that a bit implausible.
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Old 03-20-2018, 07:14 AM
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this movie review from the Jerusalem Post says that the movie distorts history , and is also a distortion of basic morality.
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This film is a disgrace, an affront to all Israelis and a transparent attempt to elevate the Palestinian cause high enough to pardon the hijacking of a commercial airliner.

The movie went so far as to suggest that the Palestinian “freedom fighters”... claimed to be a nonviolent branch of the Palestinian resistance movement.

It fosters the illusion that the experience of the Jewish hostages was not much different than that of the hijackers. This attempt to equalize the hostages and their captors is a brazen whitewashing of one of the most horrific crimes committed by the PLO, a terrorist organization.
Based on that review, I won't be watching it.

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Old 03-20-2018, 01:57 PM
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This is the first I've ever heard of this.

This is a film about the Raid on Entebbe, and there is a Dance Scene?

To paraphrase Tom Hanks: "There's no dancing in hostage situations!"
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Old 03-20-2018, 02:15 PM
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I haven't seen the movie, but will just share an amusing scene from the 1976 movie Raid on Entebbe.

James Woods plays one of the commandos picked for the raid. He gets the call to show up for his orders. He starts packing his suitcase with his clothes, Uzi, etc.

Larry Gelman plays his father, who when he sees him packing asks him where he's going, gets the response 'Fishing.'

Dad, who obviously knows his elite commando son gets orders to all kinds of things he can't talk about, after a slight, knowing, pregnant pause, says, "Don't fall in."
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I can't spend seven days on a movie, you got anything that runs about ninety minutes?
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Old 03-20-2018, 02:28 PM
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I can't spend seven days on a movie,.......
I suggest you avoid the wedding scene in The Deer Hunter then.

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Old 03-20-2018, 02:54 PM
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The review I read said the ending is horrible. I don't know the ending, so I don't know what the reviewer is referring to, but he seemed genuinely offended.
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:17 PM
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The review I read said the ending is horrible. I don't know the ending, so I don't know what the reviewer is referring to, but he seemed genuinely offended.
In the actual raid, as I recall,

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the only casualty was Jonathan, the leader, who was sniped as the Israelis were getting away. What had been Operation THUNDERBOLT up to that point was renamed Operation JONATHAN. Also, the old woman who had been taken away to hospital (her name was Dora Bloch) was never seen again and presumably died a hideous death at the orders of Idi Amin.
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Old 03-20-2018, 04:33 PM
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In the actual raid, as I recall,

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the only casualty was Jonathan, the leader, who was sniped as the Israelis were getting away. What had been Operation THUNDERBOLT up to that point was renamed Operation JONATHAN. Also, the old woman who had been taken away to hospital (her name was Dora Bloch) was never seen again and presumably died a hideous death at the orders of Idi Amin.
I'm talking about the end of the movie, not the end of the actual raid.
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:09 PM
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I'm talking about the end of the movie, not the end of the actual raid.
They're different?
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Old 03-20-2018, 05:21 PM
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They're different?
There's a giant pie fight in the war room.
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Old 03-20-2018, 06:03 PM
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I was a bit surprised by the way they portrayed his and Peres’ relationship. It implied Peres was the more militant.

It actually has Rabin say to him, “If we refuse to negotiate with them[the PLO] this war will never end!”

I found that a bit implausible.
Remember, before Peres was a peacenik, he was the father of the Israeli nuclear program, not to mention one of the people behind the British-French-Israeli agreement that led to the Suez Crisis. While Rabin was the emotional, introspective career soldier, Peres was the clear-eyed idealist - which, of course, made him much more devious and merciless.
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In the actual raid, as I recall,
And...

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Jonathan (Lt. Col. Yonatan Netanyahu) was the older brother of current Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu.

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They're different?
Like that damn Titanic movie. I was really hoping they'd make it to New York.
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I don't know, I'm just reporting on what the reviewer said.
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Like that damn Titanic movie. I was really hoping they'd make it to New York.
This reminds me of other movies loosely based on real events that completely change the ending.

"The Delta Force" is based off the 1985 hijacking of TWA Flight 847 but completely changes the ending where in real life the US and Israel agreed to the terrorist demands in the movie Delta Force kills all the terrorists. The beginning of "S.W.A.T." also begins with a bank robbery heavily based off the 1997 North Hollywood Shootout, but instead of the robbers attempting to get away and being gunned down outside the bank in the film the bank robbers are killed in the bank itself.
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Remember, before Peres was a peacenik, he was the father of the Israeli nuclear program, not to mention one of the people behind the British-French-Israeli agreement that led to the Suez Crisis. While Rabin was the emotional, introspective career soldier, Peres was the clear-eyed idealist - which, of course, made him much more devious and merciless.
That's consistent with the way they're portrayed in the movie.

The main focus of the movie switches back and forth between the hijackers(with the main focus on the German hijackers over the PFLP ones) and the Israeli cabinet.

I expected quite a bit of focus on Jonathan Netanyahu but he really seems like an afterthought.
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Old 03-21-2018, 12:02 AM
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this movie review from the Jerusalem Post says that the movie distorts history , and is also a distortion of basic morality.


Based on that review, I won't be watching it.
I won't try to convince you to see it and I had some issues with it, but the review was a bit unfair.

The movie hardly portrays the PLO hijackers in a sympathetic light. Are the two German hijackers in charge of the hijacking humanized? Yes, and the movie certainly gives them plenty of time to justify what they're doing though I don't think audiences will come to sympathize with them too much since they're more portrayed as bored, bourgeois intellectuals rebelling against their parents.

However, the PLO hijackers come across as thugs who view the Germans as soft and are convinced the Israelis won't negotiate and seem quite eager to slaughter the hostages. They also repeatedly clash with the German hijackers regarding the treatment of the hostages. The closest either come to being portrayed as sympathetic is one lost their family to the IDF and clearly his grief has caused him to be consumed with rage.
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. the two German hijackers ...I don't think audiences will come to sympathize with them too much since they're more portrayed as bored, bourgeois intellectuals rebelling against their parents.
Bored bourgeois intellectuals --- who just happen to think that murdering 100 people is a lot of fun.
Yeah, I hope the audience won't sympathize with them too much.
But the film's director apparently wants them to. And that's what pisses me off.

Maybe the next movie this director makes will be about bored intellectuals who decide to run a kiddie-porn and child molester racket.

I won't be paying for any tickets to support him.
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Bored bourgeois intellectuals --- who just happen to think that murdering 100 people is a lot of fun.
Yeah, I hope the audience won't sympathize with them too much.
But the film's director apparently wants them to. And that's what pisses me off.
Spoiler: most of the hostages survived (in real life, anyway; you know how movies often take poetic license). Not that that makes the hijackers an all-around bunch of swell fellows you would want to hang out with sipping espressos and discussing Marxist revisionism, or the movie any good.
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Bored bourgeois intellectuals --- who just happen to think that murdering 100 people is a lot of fun.
Yeah, I hope the audience won't sympathize with them too much.
But the film's director apparently wants them to. And that's what pisses me off.

Maybe the next movie this director makes will be about bored intellectuals who decide to run a kiddie-porn and child molester racket.

I won't be paying for any tickets to support him.
The director is Jose Padilha, who is the executive producer of the TV series Narcos, and has directed such films as the 2014 RoboCop.
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I haven't seen the movie, but will just share an amusing scene from the 1976 movie Raid on Entebbe.

James Woods plays one of the commandos picked for the raid. He gets the call to show up for his orders. He starts packing his suitcase with his clothes, Uzi, etc.

Larry Gelman plays his father, who when he sees him packing asks him where he's going, gets the response 'Fishing.'

Dad, who obviously knows his elite commando son gets orders to all kinds of things he can't talk about, after a slight, knowing, pregnant pause, says, "Don't fall in."
Do you remember the song the Israeli soldiers sing in the plane, on their way to Uganda? Starts out softly with one guy, more join in, it gets louder and almost agressive? I learned that one from a Hebrew professor at the seminary I attended for one year. Kind of ironic, it's Psalm 133:1. "How very good and pleasant it is when kindred(brothers) live together in unity."

I liked that movie. It didn't make all the actors look good looking. Fat, skinny, old and young, most just looked like a regular crowd of ordinary folks.
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Old 03-21-2018, 03:51 PM
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Bored bourgeois intellectuals --- who just happen to think that murdering 100 people is a lot of fun.
No, that's not how the Baader-Meinhoff couple thinks. They're in love with the idea of being revolutionaries and overthrowing the "capitalist, fascist" regimes of the West and have convinced themselves that this joint operation with the PLO will be a good way to accomplish this.

In particular they're hoping that they'll be able to force the Western governments to release their "comrades" currently in prison.

They actually don't kill any hostages nor do they enjoy what's happening. In fact, by the end of the movie both seem to have deeply regretted it. Whether this is true or not I can't say.

I'd also say that the audience is not meant to sympathize with them and if anything the audience is meant to sympathize with the flight engineer and several other passengers who confront them with the immorality of what they're doing.

Keep in mind no "terrorist" thinks of themselves as evil or that what they're doing is "fun" but whether they're members of the IRA, the PKK, the Irgun or of course the PLO have convinced themselves that doing so will be for the greater good.
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Bored bourgeois intellectuals --- who just happen to think that murdering 100 people is a lot of fun.
Yeah, I hope the audience won't sympathize with them too much.
But the film's director apparently wants them to. And that's what pisses me off.

Maybe the next movie this director makes will be about bored intellectuals who decide to run a kiddie-porn and child molester racket.

I won't be paying for any tickets to support him.
It's been a while since I've seen it, but I think I remember that the generally rah-rah 1977 Israeli film Operation Thunderbolt portrayed the male terrorist - played by Klaus Kinski! - somewhat sympathetically. I think they even had him purposely avoid killing hostages once the commandos burst in.

I guess it's just good drama. Personally, I don't think your enemy needs to be a bad guy for you to be a good guy.

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Old 03-21-2018, 08:35 PM
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It's been a while since I've seen it, but I think I remember that the generally rah-rah 1977 Israeli film Operation Thunderbolt portrayed the male terrorist - played by Klaus Kinski! - somewhat sympathetically. I think they even had him purposely avoid killing hostages once the commandos burst in.
Happens in Seven Days at Entebbe as well. He was the guy played by Daniel Bruhl.
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