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Old 11-19-2016, 10:52 AM
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Butt-Hurt Trump Takes to Twitter Again


Story here and here.

Pence attended a showing of Hamilton last night, where he was roundly booed by the audience and rightly lectured by the cast. Then Trump tweeted to demand an apology from the cast.

We need an omnibus Trump Tweet thread for the next four years, so this is it. He's simply an embarrassment to America. Hopefully the human filth that voted for him will start to notice that, but I doubt it.
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Old 11-19-2016, 10:56 AM
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And another butt-hurt liberal whine is posted.....
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And another butt-hurt liberal whine is posted.....
Trump was the one whining. Even wants a safe place.
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Trump was the one whining. Even wants a safe place.
Maybe conservatives need a trigger warning on the playbill: "This show may feature themes of inclusion and diversity. Attend at your own risk!"
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Old 11-19-2016, 11:27 AM
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Maybe conservatives need a trigger warning on the playbill: "This show may feature themes of inclusion and diversity. Attend at your own risk!"
Or allow them use of the cry rooms.
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Trump was the one whining. Even wants a safe place.
I can't believe Trump actually used the phrase "safe space", which is anathema to his supporters. Comedy gold!
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And another butt-hurt liberal whine is posted.....
Being more presidential than Trump myself, I won't take to Twitter because of some troglodyte Texas Republican.

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And another butt-hurt liberal whine is posted.....
But it's OK if the Prez-elect of the U.S. gets butt hurt and tweets that anything less than an absolute ass kissing is "terribly so unfair" ... or some other whiny bitch bullshit.
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Now, now. The show is called Hamilton, how was Mike Pence supposed to know it would be about politics? Next time he'll buy tickets for a "safe space" show like Oklahoma!

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Now, now. The show is called Hamilton, how was Mike Pence supposed to know it would be about politics? Next time he'll buy tickets for a "safe space" show like Oklahoma!
Well, he will be VP to the Curry With The Wig On Top.
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My guess is that Pence, who is a professional politician and understands this is normal, is embarrassed by Trump's tweet.
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My guess is that Pence, who is a professional politician and understands this is normal, is embarrassed by Trump's tweet.
True, but he's in for a world of embarrassment over the next 4 years!!
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True, but he's in for a world of embarrassment over the next 4 years!!
Or for however long it takes the Republicans to figure out how to dump Trump.
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My guess is that Pence, who is a professional politician and understands this is normal, is embarrassed by Trump's tweet.
You're assuming that Pence is capable of human emotions.
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Old 11-19-2016, 08:03 PM
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You're assuming that Pence is capable of human emotions.
Uh... yeah, he actually is. I may not agree with him, but he has displayed what I believe is genuine human emotion and even, at times, empathy with people. Some people. People who aren't in the classes of people Pence believes should be modified to suit his religious beliefs.
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The cast member was so outraged that he had to read his rant from a card.
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Old 11-19-2016, 11:55 AM
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The cast member was so outraged that he had to read his rant from a card.
Trump uses tele-prompters. Can't even stick to subject. No control. Sad!
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Old 11-20-2016, 12:45 AM
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The cast member was so outraged that he had to read his rant from a card.
You do know that the statement was written by the show's creator and read by an actor right?
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Something tells me this guy is going to have a tough time being one of the most divisive people in American history.
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Old 11-19-2016, 12:23 PM
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We need an omnibus Trump Tweet thread for the next four years, so this is it. He's simply an embarrassment to America. Hopefully the human filth that voted for him will start to notice that, but I doubt it.
No, we don't need a Trump Tweet thread. In fact, that is exactly the opposite of what is needed. Glorifying and validating Trump by focusing on his spastic stream-of-consciousness ejaculations of narcissistic rage is just giving him, and the people who love on him as their proxy for being able to spew hateful, angry rhetoric on the Internet like an infant spitting out strained peas all of the kitchen. Not only do we not need a thread, the media needs to stop reporting on his tweeting entirely and start doing serious, detailed, round the clock coverage on just how radically unqualified and abnormally dangerous his key advisors and appointments are, and how his actions are going to hurt the very people who voted for him the most, with pictures of dancing kittens and strippers if that's what it takes to get attention. Stop giving free media attention and the very kind of public outrage that Trump feeds on, and start making him angry enough until he turns into the Orange Hulk and bursts through the windows of his own building, waving his tiny fists in revealinglay impotent rage.

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Old 11-19-2016, 12:34 PM
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OK, so Pence got an earful from the cast. That's a lot better than what Lincoln got the last time he attended a play.
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OK, so Pence got an earful from the cast. That's a lot better than what Lincoln got the last time he attended a play.
*Applause*
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OK, so Pence got an earful from the cast. That's a lot better than what Lincoln got the last time he attended a play.
I am so using this.


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I understand the emotion behind this. But I fear this sort of thing causes more harm to us liberals than good.
See post #18.

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See post #18.

You think maybe there's someplace in between burring your head and coming off distasteful at inappropriate times to get a perfectly valid point across? And do you think maybe it's this sort of "justified" attitude that has alienated so many people from the left?

Have you taken away any life lesson from this last election? Or do you prefer to keep your eye's closed with your fingers stuck in your ears, because hey, you know you're fucking right?

There's a lesson of humility to be learned here. And if you don't learn that lesson, you're no different from the very people you hate.
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Old 11-19-2016, 05:20 PM
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Yes, and it's 'humility is bad'.

The bombastic psychopath and his bigot buddy won the election because they screamed lies to the heavens, and half the potential electorate bought it...and stayed home.

Humility lost the election.
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You think maybe there's someplace in between burring your head and coming off distasteful at inappropriate times to get a perfectly valid point across? And do you think maybe it's this sort of "justified" attitude that has alienated so many people from the left?

Have you taken away any life lesson from this last election? Or do you prefer to keep your eye's closed with your fingers stuck in your ears, because hey, you know you're fucking right?

There's a lesson of humility to be learned here. And if you don't learn that lesson, you're no different from the very people you hate.
Yes. We should all worry that we are just as bad as the bigots when we shame the bigots. That's such an original thought that we should all take totally seriously.

Yeah, we learned humility. We learned that we didn't have this thing won like we thought. We learned we need to redouble our efforts. Not reduce them.

Yeah, having Trump as president isn't normal. THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WE NEED TO CALL HIM OUT AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. That's why half-baked approaches are doomed to failure. We need to attack him and his VP on all fronts.

We can be kind to the people who are hurting, who voted a racist despite his racism. But the actual racists and homophobes? No, we can't have "decorum." Decorum lost.

Trump lost votes every single time he turned into an asshole on Twitter. So baiting him is 100% the way to move forward. And that means we need to keep track of everything he says.

We are now in the battle for 2020, and we will win. Or the country will be burned to the ground trying to stop us.
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Old 11-19-2016, 09:48 PM
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You think maybe there's someplace in between burring your head and coming off distasteful at inappropriate times to get a perfectly valid point across? And do you think maybe it's this sort of "justified" attitude that has alienated so many people from the left?
Rather the opposite. It's the constant deferring and submitting by the Democrats to people like Trump & Pence that has alienated people from the left. Blacks and women and gays and other targets of Pence and those like him see such behavior and recognize it for what it is: a backstab. A demonstration that the left doesn't really care and won't really stand up for them, not if it means so much as irritating the bigots.
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OK, so Pence got an earful from the cast. That's a lot better than what Lincoln got the last time he attended a play.
You, being the magnificent bastard that you are, have just won the internet for the remainder of 2016.
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OK, so Pence got an earful from the cast. That's a lot better than what Lincoln got the last time he attended a play.
Bravo.



I suggest we don't need a "Trump Twitter" thread - the "Stupid Trump Idea of the Day" thread will do, until something astonishing happens and Trump starts using twitter to say things that are intelligent rather than just reactionary, self-pitying and/or asinine.

And his use of "safe space" sounds like what Orwell described as an aspect of Newspeak - words that can praise a friend or scorn an enemy, depending on context, like blackwhite or duckspeak.
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I suggest we don't need a "Trump Twitter" thread - the "Stupid Trump Idea of the Day" thread will do, until something astonishing happens and Trump starts using twitter to say things that are intelligent rather than just reactionary, self-pitying and/or asinine.

And his use of "safe space" sounds like what Orwell described as an aspect of Newspeak - words that can praise a friend or scorn an enemy, depending on context, like blackwhite or duckspeak.
Duckspeak is only used in the context of an echo chamber.
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Duckspeak is only used in the context of an echo chamber.
Although it is only used in that way in its single reference in the novel, it is explicitly described as dual-purpose:
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Syme was describing the speech of a man at a nearby table, whose voice was intruding on the conversation between Syme and Smith.
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Duckspeak is only used in the context of an echo chamber.
Ah, yes, I see it now. In my defense, when the duckspeak term comes up in the novel, there is a form of echo chamber - the character with the rapid-fire voice spouting mindless pro-Oceania, anti-thought-criminal doggerel is talking at (not really "to", since there's no indication he's paying any attention to her responses) a woman at his table who expresses various agreements.
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Well, now we know why print media and the investigative journalism associated with it is dying. Any ideas or arguements that can't be presented in 140 characters aren't worthy of consideration.

I don't think it is "the liberals" who are being hunted. But quite honestly, this shouldn't be framed as a "liberals versus conservatives" at this point. The people who voted Trump into the primaries didn't vote for him based upon his conservative values. Donald Trump is not and has never been either a social or fiscal conservative, and he certainly does not reflect the morals and ethics of social conservatives and Evangelicals. He does not advocate a culture of personal responsibility and integrity, and indeed, his history and behavior displays the very antithesis of conservativeism. Trump promoted himself as the barbarian at the gate, the guy who was going to come in with a wrecking ball and tear the system down, "drain the swamp", and send profesional politicians packing. He was going to bring back jobs, get rid of all of the dangerous illegal immigrants who are roaming the streets in search of daughters to rape, and and ban Muslims so that ISIS in America will stop constantly blowing up our buildings and going on shooting sprees. That all of these statements are factually unsupportable is irrelevant; Trump tapped into a basic fear that our government is not capable of providing physical safety and economic security, from terrorism and immigration to employment and safe drinking water, and he pledged simple if completely unworkable solutions. He's basically the Joker come to reality, and he even has a similar countenance and manner of speaking.

The essential point here is that what Trump is doing is going to harm everyone in this country in some way, and wil probably harm some of the very people who voted for him the most. That message needs to be pointed out every time he does something of substantive harm to the nation as a whole or to significant parts of it, and it shouldn't be diluted by outrage over some shitty thing he says on Twitter at a point that normal people are in bed having nightmares about having elected the Star-Spawn of Cthulhu in a bad combover as president. The focus cannot just be on Trump driving his gilded clown car through the halls of government until he is feted and resigns so he can spend more time sniffling through the dressing rooms of beauty pageant contestants or being the focus of a reality TV show, but also on the bevy of hateful reactionary people he is bringing with him and will remain once he is back grabbing pussy as once more a private citizen.

There is merit in pointing out that in selecting future candidates and focusing on issues, the Democrats can't just focus on the wealthy suburban coastline base, and need to pay particular attention to demonstrating that their candidate is not someone who is beholden in any way to the very interests which savaged the economy for their own personal gain. They need to appeal to the mass of people who are looking for actual reform without endorsing the angry Hulk-smash mentality. They need to look beyond provincialism and select a candidate not based upon party loyalty and fundraising ability but who appeals to a wider range of people, and certainly someone who doesn't enter a race with a predictable net negative approval rating. They'll go in knowing that the right wing smear machine is going to sling manufactured scandal on a daily basis, but they shouldn't be giving it any credibility by having a history of nontransparency and poor decision making.

But by the same token, the people who voted for Trump this year need to be reminded that even though they may not be racist, misogynistic, or homophobic themselves, when they hate-voted for a candidate who espoused those values, behaved like an ill-mannered toddler, and surrounded himself with people who were genuinely hateful, the result is what we have now. Not just Donald Trump, the Man-Baby President, but all of the shitty people, corrupt lobbyists, and alt-right radical reactionaries that he is brought with him. They need to be reminded that nearly everything Trump has claimed about himself and his values in this election has been a complete fabrication, and the result is going to be the antithesis of what he has promised. Those points need to be made clear so that enough people are not swayed by bombastic demagogues like Trump that there is anything close to this kind of election again. The next time there is a candidate who threatens to jail his opponent during a policy debate as if he is some kind of Central African strongman, the point needs to be made plainly that this is not normal or acceptable behavior from someone seeking public office, because by winning this election using those very tactics Trump has made it the new standard and you can bet that other candidates will ape this behavior in trying to get similar results.

None of this is normal, and the very fact that essential elements of this campaign appear to have been pulled from Arrested Development to an astonishing degree almost as if Trump had been on a late-night Netflix binge while putting together his strategy should highlight that.

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Actually, I lied. I do read your posts. But I disagree that we don't need a Trump Twitter thread. Having one does not mean we're not focusing on the other stuff. And it certainly does not mean we're glorifying what he says. That's a big .


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I don't think anyone will get away with what Trump did again, because he's probably going to go down as one of the most ineffective and terrible Presidents in U.S. history.
One fear is that he's going to be "effective" -- very, very effective indeed -- especially with a Republican Congress.

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Sure thing. I'll just bury my head.
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I understand the emotion behind this. But I fear this sort of thing causes more harm to us liberals than good.
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Sure thing. I'll just bury my head.
Not "bury your head"; stop focusing on his trivial offenses with no real lasting impact and turn a shining light on his more abominable actions with horrifying long-term consequences. During this campaign, the media gave Trump a virtually free platform, to the tune of an estimated US$2B, to espouse racist, isolationist, hateful rhetoric in exchange for the recreational outrage of being able to laugh at a clown who is so spitefully petty that he's maintained a grudge to a beauty pagent contesistant and he can't help but respond to a satirical allegation about the size of his hands that has been running on approaching three decades. Guess who got the better side of that deal? In fact, it's probably the best actual deal Donald Trump has ever made. Sure, it's hard to find something substantive to say about a candidate so superficial and desultory as Trump, but even when the media had stories of genuine substance such as Trump harassing black residents or boasting of sexually molesting women, they carried them for a few days, relying on the outrage factor of being able to say "pussy" on air (or tap dance in amused perfunctory prurience around it), and then moved on to the next bizarrely inappropriate but inconsequential Twitter message or vacuous campaign pledge to do something mildly outrageous.

The real horror of this entire election has been the normalization of deviance; the things no candidate short of a radical white nationalist movements should be able to espouse without retreating into hiding in a small Caribbean nation from public shaming became the background noise to Trump's daily antics and fretting over Clinton using a private email server when it is plain that a large number of legislators and officials frequently email sensitive and FOUO information to their Yahoo! and Gmail accounts like they're sending recipies to their in-laws. The truth is that nearly half of the people who turne out to vote elected a loud-mouthed blowhard who demonstrated zero intent or aptitude to actually following through on the hollow promises and bombast that shat out of his mouth faster than diarrhea from a night of binging on Taco Bell specials, and the opposing main candidate was so poorly received that people literally couldn't decide against voting between her or a reality show figuring dipped in Nacho Cheese Dorito crumbs.

In a normal election you have two (or occasionally three) candidates who are critical of each others policies, prior performance, and character to uphold the duties of the office, but never in living memory has a candidate openly leavied unshrouded insults, vengefully threatened repercussions upon taking office, or transparently suggested that his followers should assassinate the opposition. Even if you distrusted or hated Hillary Clinton for any of a number of valid, exaggerated, or totally manufactured reasons, the fact that Trump resorted to this behavior in the course of a campaign, and even in the middle of what was supposed to be a policy debate, this is unacceptable behavior by someone seeking the office of municipal dog catcher, much less President of the United States.

This is not normal. This is historic abnormality in the making. It's the kind of gross abnormality that gets mentioned in history texts right before a nation goes completely fucking off its rocker and starts killing its own citizens or annexing other nations because it wants a better view. The resigned acceptance of this behavior and of Trump's "tear down the system" rage-making as being somewhere on the spectrum of things that sometimes happen in a democracy because employment/trade agreements/corrupt banks/whatever is not remotely normal. But by turning away from this behavior and the tacit approval of the Republicans who gathered behind him (and from whom he stole nearly the entire rhetoric from whole cloth, only saturating it with lighting fluid and setting it aflame), and focusing on whatever stupid or offensive thing that Trump tweeted out to the world while taking his 3:40 AM dump, makes it all seem about equivalent in significance and impact.

Every news story about Donald Trump for the next four years (or however long he remains in office) should start with the words, "This is not normal! (Apologies to John Oliver for stealing his new catchphrase.)" and followed by a detailed examination of how Trump blatantly reneged on some promise to bring jobs or build infrastructure, or how he has issued an executive order in clear violation of Constitutional rights or how he has used his position to increase his personal and family wealth. It shouldn't be about which beauty pagent contestant or talk show host he said something mildly offensive about, or how he plans to redecorate the White House in gilded gold, and it sure to fuck shouldn't be about his latest nearly incoherent Twitter war with a comedian or singer. Doing mildly offensive amusing things to keep the outrage meter pegged so that when something actually worthy of outrage comes along (as it inevitably will on a regular basis) is doing a grave disservice to the principle of informing the public about things they actually need to know to make informed decisions.

Oh, and they also need to stop giving a fuck about Kanye West, too, and any other celebrity who decides to take a ride on the recreational outrage profit train. If you ignore the trolls, they will eventually get bored and go away.

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