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Old 01-31-2010, 06:20 PM
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The Great Ongoing Guitar Thread


Face it, there's been a lot of guitar threads over the last month or so. Some of us are pro-quality players, some of us (like me) are just starting out again for the third time. And some of us just like to sit around and bullshit.

There's been a lot of good information in the threads, but eventually they sink to the bottom and vanish. So... let's just keep this one alive.

My latest news: A: Hal Leonard's book just wasn't working for me. But I found one that is. Comes with a DVD, and it really teaches you what you need to know.
Learning Electric Guitar, Patrick McCormick and Greg Douglass.
http://www.amazon.com/Learning-Elect...4979647&sr=8-1
Apparently discontinued, I picked it up at a local store, I'm really liking it.
Engaging, tells you what you need to know, gets you started using your whole hand right away. I'm going to pick Bob back up after I finish this, for some better traditional learning, but I want some results to show.

B: There is a thing called a String Winder for when you need to restring and not just tune the guitar. I should get one of those.
http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Waves-S...4979780&sr=8-1
This one has a cutter.

C: there are very small amps for playing in your apartment and not for your neighbors.
http://www.amazon.com/Danelectro-Hon...ZP6JRP9P9ACXSM
Dunno how good they are. There's this one and a mini-Marshall I'm looking at.
Anyone have an opinion?

Annd D: I learned that strings have multiple gauges, some heavier than others. They tend to be measured by the high E, so the normal one is .9, but there is .10, .11, and so on.

This causes confusion when you want a B-string and go armed knowing it was a .11... and the music store employee doesn't know guitars worth a damn either.


How you guys doin?
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Old 01-31-2010, 06:56 PM
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How you guys doin?
Are you coming on to me? I'm not hearing a 'no'.[/Zoidberg]

I think I've got that same Hal Leonard book, and I really like it. (It presents things very succinctly, which might be tough for someone starting completely from scratch. I played another instrument in the past, so all the musical notations were already familiar.) I'm almost 1/3 of the way through it. I've been focusing on the melody and neglecting the chords, so I'm pushing myself to remedy that.

I've got that string winder, too, but the first attempt at restringing was still only mostly successful.

I've looked ahead at the barre chords a little bit. Even with all the time in the world, I can barely get my hand to form some of those shapes. I may have to change my playing position a bit, but I don't think I've been at it long enough to have any unbreakable bad habits yet.
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I approve of the idea.
I was unaware of the number of guitar threads there were when I made my thread (http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=550053). My apologies to all who thought my idea (pick one guitarist to represent a decade) was convuluted. I'll post my selections here if I make a new version of my list, but I won't try to turn this thread into a new version of my own.
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Old 01-31-2010, 07:27 PM
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I will contribute a recommendation for my favorite youtube guitar lesson channel: discoverguitaronline (also known as dgorocks). The lessons are completely no-nonsense play a phrase or solo at real speed and then in super slow-mo and are surprisingly effective. Also, the guy who records the videos and started a full site is super good and as humble as possible. I asked a question in the comment section of one video and he replied within a matter of hours.

I've promised myself I will subscribe to his full site when I actually have some time to really dedicate to practice.
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Old 01-31-2010, 07:49 PM
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One thing I'll say, and this is obviously my opinion and different things will work for different people, but there is no substitute for a great guitar teacher. Anyone of any level can benefit from a great teacher, but especially the newbie guitar player.

A great teacher will be all about technique and doing things correctly. I didn't even "play" guitar for my first month of lessons. (The understanding was that I would in the meantime.) My teacher simply analyzed how I played and made sure I was practicing correctly. I had tried learning on my own for two months prior, and one of the first things he did was have me do a couple chords a completely different way. At the time I was pissed because it had taken a long time to learn the chords, but once I re-learned them, and then had a practical example of why he wanted me to form them a certain way, I understood why. Had I continued with my bad habits (and I had a LOT of bad habits), I would not have progressed as fast or as far on guitar.

A DVD can't analyze your technique.

Now, having said that, DVDs and Youtube are AWESOME! Especially Youtube. Wanna know how to play that lick? Someone has a vid on how to do it. But my point is to get the fundamentals and proper playing technique down FIRST. If a DVD can help you do that...excellent.

A great book on how to practice anything is The Talent Code. (I have no connection whatsoever to this book...it's just the way I was taught to practice. There's nothing new in this book...I was taught this stuff a long time before this book came out.)
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Old 01-31-2010, 10:06 PM
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I had to stop playing 12 string when I came down with arthritis. 6 string at times was almost impossible. But new advances in RA medications have enabled me to play again, and SWMBO surprised me with a 12 string for Christmas.

I'm relearning how to play 12, and rediscovering what a challenge it is and how much fun it is.
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Repeating from the other thread:

Eddie Ate Dynamite. Good Bye Eddie.
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So, I'm now somewhat disgusted with the Starcaster's machine heads and how the frets gouge my hand, and thinking of wandering over to Sam Ash to look at their selection. What should I be asking when I look at a used Strat? I do want to stick with strats. Or a new cheapy one. Not looking to dump more than two fifty for this.
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Old 02-01-2010, 10:05 AM
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So, I'm now somewhat disgusted with the Starcaster's machine heads and how the frets gouge my hand, and thinking of wandering over to Sam Ash to look at their selection. What should I be asking when I look at a used Strat? I do want to stick with strats. Or a new cheapy one. Not looking to dump more than two fifty for this.
Machine heads can be replaced quite easily - that's a job you could take on yourself, in fact. Just don't overtighten and strip the hole.

What, about the frets, is gouging your hand? Are the edges not ground down so that there's a pokey bit sticking out beyond the plane of the fingerboard's edge? Or are the frets too high, not rounded enough? A good guitar tech would be able to either modify the existing frets or replace them. I'm thinking in Canadian dollars here, so maybe your $250. would get you a new guitar in the US and that would be more worthwhile for you. Up here, no. If I had a budget limit of $250. I'd be improving what I had, not trying for something different. Your local market may be very different. I wouldn't take on a fret job, myself, at least not on a guitar that I cared about.
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Eddie Ate Dynamite. Good Bye Eddie.
Guitar sage quote! Love his vids. Love guitar (been playing for 10 years or so) and love that there is a guitar thread here.
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For the people who are just starting out and struggling with chord shapes, I am about a year ahead of you. Here's my story. Maybe you'll take some encouragement from it.

I remember first picking up the guitar and having a list of songs in my head "one day, I'll be able to play that" I told myself. I remember coming down with a huge, frustrating bump when making music on a guitar turned out to be MUCH harder than I expected. "How come the only song I can play is Ode to Joy!!??" "How can I ever change from a G to a C while still strumming??" "How come all my chords buzz??". I refused to believe that barre chords were even possible.

I seemed to be stuck in that phase for an interminably long time and I lost hope that I would ever be able to play well. Then one day, I sat down with a pile of song books and found that I could play most of them. Not well...just strumming away....but well enough that my wife would recognise what I was playing.

Just like that - Can't play ...then suddenly...Can play .

Sure, I couldn't play well (still can't), but suddenly my guitar is tremendous fun and I look forward to practicing at every opportunity. It's like being able to play crept up on me without me noticing. My wife would say that I am obsessed. For the first time since I started I can imagine that, one day, I will be good at playing guitar and I'll be able to play all those songs I want to play.
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Old 02-01-2010, 08:51 PM
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For the people who are just starting out and struggling with chord shapes, I am about a year ahead of you. Here's my story. Maybe you'll take some encouragement from it.

I remember first picking up the guitar and having a list of songs in my head "one day, I'll be able to play that" I told myself. I remember coming down with a huge, frustrating bump when making music on a guitar turned out to be MUCH harder than I expected. "How come the only song I can play is Ode to Joy!!??" "How can I ever change from a G to a C while still strumming??" "How come all my chords buzz??". I refused to believe that barre chords were even possible.

I seemed to be stuck in that phase for an interminably long time and I lost hope that I would ever be able to play well. Then one day, I sat down with a pile of song books and found that I could play most of them. Not well...just strumming away....but well enough that my wife would recognise what I was playing.

Just like that - Can't play ...then suddenly...Can play .

Sure, I couldn't play well (still can't), but suddenly my guitar is tremendous fun and I look forward to practicing at every opportunity. It's like being able to play crept up on me without me noticing. My wife would say that I am obsessed. For the first time since I started I can imagine that, one day, I will be good at playing guitar and I'll be able to play all those songs I want to play.
This pretty much sums up where I'm at, a year after getting an electric guitar, and 9 months after starting lessons. About a month or two ago, something clicked, and things are coming to me more easily. I'm still not *good*, but I definitely can see the progress.

I concur with Runs With Scissors -- taking actual lessons with a real person helps tremendously, far more than trying to learn from a book or video. The feedback, for me, is what helps the most.

As to what I'm playing, for the past month or so, I've been working on three songs:
"Ah! Leah!", by Donnie Iris
"Would I Lie To You?", by Eurythmics
"Holy Diver", by Dio
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Well, that was educational. Apparently even the $500 guitars aren't smooth down the necks. I'll save a bit.

So I got a metronome and a 1 watt amp so I can practice electrically. I'm going to keep working on this.
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"Ah! Leah!", by Donnie Iris
Lordie I haven't thought of that song in ages, but I remember the riff. And the tone - interesting tone with a bit of sizzle on it.

[guitar geek moment]

Wasn't he playing a Daphne Blue vintage Strat on the cover of that album? Is that why you got one? That was you, right?

[/guitar geek moment]
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[guitar geek moment]

Wasn't he playing a Daphne Blue vintage Strat on the cover of that album? Is that why you got one? That was you, right?

[/guitar geek moment]
We speculated that my strat might have been Daphne Blue - but it's actually Surf Green. I got it because it's what they had.


"Would I Lie To You?", by Eurythmics sounds interesting. I might give that a shot.
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We speculated that my strat might have been Daphne Blue - but it's actually Surf Green. I got it because it's what they had.


"Would I Lie To You?", by Eurythmics sounds interesting. I might give that a shot.
Got it.

Would I Lie to You is an interesting song from a guitar standpoint simply because of how you have to have a feel for the electric guitar. The initial chord - something like a D7sus4 played in barre form - is just a cool arpeggio; pick each of the middle four strings and life is good - let them ring out. But the main riff is a power chord thing - sure, it's just A G A - D A - G C G (or something like that - I am going off memory here) - but you have both strum assertively to establish that rhythm, while also muting the strings with the fat of your picking hand to get that chunking, hard rock sound going. The trick is to really just focus on the lowest two strings of the chord - i.e., the "power chord" version of the chord, with enough overdrive in the tone to fill out the sound. THEN - when it comes to the verses you have to get into funk mode - I know the chord to hit, but don't know how to describe it - but the point is you have to move to funk-strum mode - a real free hand where you spank the higher strings with a clean tone up the neck.

So it's a variety of techniques - deceptively harder than you might think...
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"Would I Lie To You?", by Eurythmics sounds interesting. I might give that a shot.
It's pretty straightforward, with no crazy chords or anything like that, and it's a lot of fun.
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Lordie I haven't thought of that song in ages, but I remember the riff. And the tone - interesting tone with a bit of sizzle on it.
I asked my guitar teacher to teach me the song about a month ago. As we were working on it, with my iPod playing the song on my teacher's speakers, the door to the classroom opened. It was another of the school's teachers... "I *love* that song...I haven't heard it in years! Who does it??"

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Wasn't he playing a Daphne Blue vintage Strat on the cover of that album? Is that why you got one? That was you, right?

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He is, indeed:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA240_.jpg

And, yeah, that was me. Good memory! No, that's not why I was looking at one...a friend of a friend was looking to sell one. I didn't end up buying it (he didn't return my last e-mail); I still just have the Epi Les Paul.
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Here's a quick tip that has helped me break out of beginner mode and into Intermediate. Record yourself.

I had a handful of songs that I thought I could play well but when I tried recording myself with GarageBand, it turned out that I was pretty sloppy. My timing was way off. Forcing myself to play a song well enough to record it and put it up on the internet for my friends to hear has made a dramatic difference in the quality, rhythm and tone of my playing. I get a real sense of achievement. Plus I can go back to songs from just a couple of months ago and hear how much I have improved since then.

Guitarist, record thyself.
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Last one before I get on my plane...

I started a thread a little while ago ("Watcha playin'") with the idea that people would post their current song and compare notes and maybe even a few people at the same level could learn at the same time. (and hear the results, if you record it!)

Nobody bit that time around but I'd like to give it another try....

I am working on Albatross. It's one of the songs that I thought "Man! If I can play that, I'll die happy!" which turned, in frustration, into "Man! I will never be able to play that. I am going to die unhappy."

It's the most beautiful song that I have ever heard on a guitar and am almost there!

Watcha playin'?
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Last one before I get on my plane...

I started a thread a little while ago ("Watcha playin'") with the idea that people would post their current song and compare notes and maybe even a few people at the same level could learn at the same time.
You know how you were saying 'the only thing I could play was 'Ode To Joy'? Yeah, that. Except the guitar keeps going out of tune halfway through.
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I think I'm using the same book that the OP didn't like. There's a version of Bach's Minuet in G that's just about the limit of my current ability.
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Oh, I like and respect it, it's just not working for me.
So I'm going to try something else for a bit, then come back.
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Yeah, after I pulled together that list of links in MwNNrules's thread (you can bet I am saving that one for reference) I was struck by the fact that there are always a few guitar threads going on...

as for how I am doin' - I am doing well guitar-wise. I have been toying with a couple of changes / upgrades to my set of guitars - if I do, I will chime in and let you know. It would involve selling some First Edition books, so I have to take a deep breath and figure out my options...but the guitars would be really cool.

in terms of whatcha playin" - I am really just noodling with hybrid picking and slide. I seem to be getting to a place with hybrid picking where I have some "flow" - I can lay down a rhythm and then drop in some lead work and pick back up at the rhythm without any loss of groove. I am extending my playing up and down the neck - really just focused on standard blues in E and A, nothing fancy - but using a flatpick + middle and ring fingers for picking really opens up the fretboard for me.
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really just focused on standard blues in E and A, nothing fancy - but using a flatpick + middle and ring fingers for picking really opens up the fretboard for me.
Sometime soon, I will ask for some advice on how to do this. I still have to put down my pick ... finger-pick for a while...then grab it again without losing the rhythm :-)
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I think I'm using the same book that the OP didn't like. There's a version of Bach's Minuet in G that's just about the limit of my current ability.
My teacher taught me a bunch of blues & boogie woogie rhythms that are a lot more pleasing to play (to me at least) than Ode to Joy and Minuet in G. I still use them for warm ups when I practice.

When I get a chance, I'll try to track one down.
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My teacher taught me a bunch of blues & boogie woogie rhythms that are a lot more pleasing to play (to me at least) than Ode to Joy and Minuet in G. I still use them for warm ups when I practice.

When I get a chance, I'll try to track one down.
I picked up a guitar for the first time last summer. I'm still happy to just play anything that I recognize.
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My teacher taught me a bunch of blues & boogie woogie rhythms that are a lot more pleasing to play (to me at least) than Ode to Joy and Minuet in G. I still use them for warm ups when I practice.

When I get a chance, I'll try to track one down.
Sorry for the delay, I was travelling on business.

Here goes... (my first ever tab...be gentle)

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If you are just starting out and playing two strings at a time is hard for you, just skip the lower note. It'll still sound pretty good.

Likewise, if the B7 at the end is tough too (HINT: it _is_ tough) - just play the B on string 5.

Have fun! I did!

Hmmm...It occurs to me that I don't know the policy for posting copyrighted stuff. I'm guessing that this rhythm is so old that it would be out of copyright anyway, but if I am breaking the rules, I hope someone will let me know and I'll post it on my blog and link it here instead.

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Hmmm...It occurs to me that I don't know the policy for posting copyrighted stuff. I'm guessing that this rhythm is so old that it would be out of copyright anyway, but if I am breaking the rules, I hope someone will let me know and I'll post it on my blog and link it here instead.
I'm pretty sure nobody has a copyright on twelve bar blues in A. Its the most generic blues pattern in the universe. Don't even worry about it. The big no-no that I've seen here is posting complete lyrics for a song, not tabs.
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A good low cost strat style guitar is the Yamaha Pacifica series. They have a couple different price points. You can always upgrade the pickups later.
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If you're rhythm-challenged, or are learning how to change between, say, open chords, use a metronome. It'll frustrate the hell out of you at first, but it's absolutely essential.
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If you're rhythm-challenged, or are learning how to change between, say, open chords, use a metronome. It'll frustrate the hell out of you at first, but it's absolutely essential.
That's the essence of my "use GarageBand" advice - I use it as a metronome that can give me feedback on my rhythm.
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kevlaw, I'd love to see/hear some of those if you can find them.

Right now I'm working on teaching myself to play Steve Earle's South Nashville Blues. I'm trying to work up to the hybrid picking that Wordman talks about (and I've got the Susie Q lick he posted a while ago bookmarked), but I'm not quite there yet.
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I'm trying to work up to the hybrid picking that Wordman talks about (and I've got the Susie Q lick he posted a while ago bookmarked), but I'm not quite there yet.
Heh - I hear you. I start with that lick to warm up and muff it regularly. Keeps me honest
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Nothing to add except to say that I recently got back into playing after buying a left-handed Hagstrom Deluxe-F this summer.

After years of not playing much (due to either being too busy with the kids, or having cheap guitars that were un-fun to play) I finally decided that I wanted to get a decent guitar, and make time to play at least a few hours a week,. After a few weeks of playing regularly, I feel like I did when I was 15 and "discovered" the power chord.

And I love my Hagstrom - while it was only around $450, it is by far the most playable guitar I've ever had. The neck is super-fast, the action is great - the only beef I have is the electronics, since it's a bit buzzy. But I can always get it re-wired. And I'm using a Zoom G1n multi-effects pedal for a practice amp - after years of playing through crappy practice amps, I never realized what a bit of reverb and some decent amp modelling could do for my confidence. Plus I can line in to my PC and play along to iTunes.

Damn, I love the guitar. . .
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Nothing to add except to say that I recently got back into playing after buying a left-handed Hagstrom Deluxe-F this summer.

Damn, I love the guitar. . .
Very cool looking!
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Very cool looking!
Yeah, well. . . the lefty only comes in the black sparkle finish, which looks less like a flashy LP goldtop copy and more like a cheesy Formica countertop.

But it sounds frickin' awesome, which is what counts.
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I'm curious to know: has anybody here ever witnessed a guitar duel? If so, was it any good?
My friend and I were wondering about them, and if it is at all a fair comparison to rap battles, which are essentially never worth listening to, we figured that most guitar duels would end badly, but we still wonder, and I've gotta hear it from someone who knows.
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Great idea for a thread; gj.

E, I was gonna suggest you take a look at the Pignose amps. I have 2 and they both sound great: the original, and the 20.

For your guitar, I suggest that you look at something other than a Strat. You already have a Strat, right? Branch out and try something new. I'd point you to Schecter Guitars for reasonably priced guitars with outstanding craftsmanship. I have a C-1 and not only is it a great looking guitar, it's fun as hell to play, and it didn't cost me 3 months pay.

I'd also suggest you take a look at I was going to suggest you look at the Hohner G3T, but I see they've been discontinued. I got mine for about $400 and it came with a gig bag (a soft case). Plays great, sounds terrific, and is small and light enough to take on a plane without any fuss. Check it out: I found one on ebay still being bid on, and the price is currently only $102. So if you're patient and look, you should be able to find one of these for something under the original retail price, maybe.

Songs: I'm working on about 8 songs atm, since I hope to have Logic Pro in a couple of weeks. I'm not really working on any covers; I rarely care to do more than figure out the basic riffs of a song, then play it My Way™.

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If you're getting fret buzz on the low E string, it's probably due to the action being to low, the neck needing adjustment, or a combination of the two. To raise the action, just turn those allen screws on the saddle clockwise and raise the height of the saddle, which effectively will raise the height of the string off the fret board. Now, if you raise the action to a point the the saddle is equal in height or higher than the A string's saddle, then you probably have a neck issue, which can be a little harder to fix.

Neck issues come in four types: up-bow, down-bow, flattened, or twisted. The first three are relatively easy to correct by adjusting the truss rod which is a steel rod that runs through the center of the neck that works against the string tension to keep the neck stable and in balance. However, these three conditions are usually evident by fret buzz on every string at the same point on the neck, which doesn't sound like your issue. Adjusting a truss rod is a fairly easy process that requires a few basic tools. I never read the Hal Leonard book you linked to, but I do have this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Player-...90&sr=1-1#noop

Dan Erlewine is a god in guitar repair/building circles and he definitely knows his stuff. A very informative book. Learning this stuff and being able to do it yourself is very benficial to even the beginning player.

A twisted neck is more of a problem and usually would require a refret, or for more serious cases, a brand new neck, which is a job for a pro. Let's hope it's the action, eh?
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OK I haven't read the thread...but here goes.


I used to play a mean electrctric back in the early 90s. I outit away for years and played acoustic. I came across a great deal on a Fender Showmaster and a Line 6 112 Spider amp.

I just can't get a good tone. Nothing sounds good. Its a solig guitar and a good amp. How do I start learning about tone?

The guitar has Fender humbuckers. Think upgrading them would help?

Which reminds me...humbucker? single coil? WTF are you talking about? I know nothing about pickups.

HELP!!
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OK I haven't read the thread...but here goes.


I used to play a mean electrctric back in the early 90s. I outit away for years and played acoustic. I came across a great deal on a Fender Showmaster and a Line 6 112 Spider amp.

I just can't get a good tone. Nothing sounds good. Its a solig guitar and a good amp. How do I start learning about tone?

The guitar has Fender humbuckers. Think upgrading them would help?

Which reminds me...humbucker? single coil? WTF are you talking about? I know nothing about pickups.

HELP!!
I don't own either piece of gear - but the first things I would do:

- Make sure the guitar is set up correctly - neck straight, action set up correctly, intonation set. If you can get a local guitar tech to look at it - you can get names at guitar stores or they do the service themselves - you should be on your way.

- Make sure you are setting up the Line 6 amp correctly - I have no idea what settings should sound like classic rock vs. metal, vs. just something weird. Trying going on line to their website - amp makers typically have different recipes of settings to "dial up" in order to get certain tones. Also - go to the local store that sells them and ask the guy there to walk you through the amp's controls

- Read this thread - up thread I have a post with a few links in it, some of which may be helpful.

Bottom line is that you need to learn your way around your gear and not be afraid to ask questions, especially with people who can lay their hands on your gear or at least the same model...

best of luck.
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I just can't get a good tone. Nothing sounds good.
How old are the strings, they don't last forever. Do they go Twang or Plunk? They should go Twang!

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Start here.
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A year. It's been a year since I started this thread.

I've learned a lot, gotten two more guitars, an amp, some non-amps, a bunch of instruction books, and really not gotten much better at playing. Except that I have. Slowly.
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You know, re-reading the first few pages is amazingly educational. I now understand what everyone's talking about.
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You know, re-reading the first few pages is amazingly educational. I now understand what everyone's talking about.
It's a slippery slope, my friend. When you find yourself evaluating the degree of brace tapering from the pre-war to the Sitka Martin eras, comparing the round, fingerpicking-ready warmth of the pre-wars, to the tigher, less-middy tones that have a lot more cut with the tapered-brace examples - not to mention the evolution in neck profiles - and realizing that while the acoustic world prizes pre-wars above all others, you are actually a tapered-brace guy....you know your suitcase is a bit too tightly packed.

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Holy crap. IS anything not on the internet?

Three reviews of the

Boss

Dimension C

Chous FX pedal.

That was my always on pedal in my last gigging setup, stereo into two Park combos,

Seems like every piece of kit I ever owned is now a classic/vintage. But most of it I no longer have After lunch I'll see what they go for now.
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A year. It's been a year since I started this thread.

I've learned a lot, gotten two more guitars, an amp, some non-amps, a bunch of instruction books, and really not gotten much better at playing. Except that I have. Slowly.
Ahhhh - is that what you meant, Le Ministre, when you wished "Happy Anniversary"? It hadn't registered, but I forgot to follow up and ask.

Cool - has it only been a year? I've come to depend on this thread as a place to vent my geekiness in a safe environment. The folks at work and home can take only so much guitar
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A year. It's been a year since I started this thread.

I've learned a lot, gotten two more guitars, an amp, some non-amps, a bunch of instruction books, and really not gotten much better at playing. Except that I have. Slowly.
I have found that

1 hour of playing with other musicians =

4 hours of practicing by yourself, or
16 hours of reading a book

and buying equipment does not really improve your playing at all, unless you have a guitar with playability issues.

So find some guys to jam with and the improvements will come faster.
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I have found that
1 hour of playing with other musicians = 4 hours of practicing by yourself, or 16 hours of reading a book
and buying equipment does not really improve your playing at all, unless you have a guitar with playability issues.
So find some guys to jam with and the improvements will come faster.
None of this is wrong, but remember, I started out with one of those $99 guitars. I've since gotten a decent guitar, and then, quite recently, a thousand dollar guitar for two hunnered bucks. I started out with a cheap old practice amp, and replaced it with a modelling amp. More importantly, I've learned about what parts of a guitar and amp chain do what... and I now have what I want to do what I want to do with them. I've bought some useless crap and some useful crap. But it's eventually wound up with me having everything I need.

Now I just need to practice more and more and more. And I'm enjoyin' myself.

Squeegee? Stupid question time. When was the last time you changed that string?

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