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Lions technically undefeated after 3 games is nice to see. And more importantly they are healthy so far. Most seasons their hopes are largely crushed by this point with close but stupid losses, and multiple let injuries
IMO, the Lions have been outplayed in all 3 games, they could easily be 0-3. I will take bets that they finish under .500 and last place in the North.
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Why did they hire Kitchens to be head coach? Was it an "appease the franchise QB?" move or do they actually think he's ready for the job after a whopping 8 games as an OC?
I honestly don't know. I read an article at the time, but I can't remember if this was sourced or speculation, but the article said that the NFL is so desperate to find the next Sean McVay, an up and coming offensive mind, that they're hiring guys who are way outside the norm for head coach hires that would fit the bill (Kingsbury's hire would support this idea), and that either someone else would hire Kitchens if they didn't. Or if not this year, then if they hire a different HC, in a year or two if Kitchens continues to be successful, another team would make him an offer and the Browns would have to decide between a coach they hired a year or two ago or Kitchens, and that'd be a pretty awkward position.

I don't know - all indications is that Dorsey is behind the pick and he seems pretty reasonable so I suspect Kitchens must've had a crazy convincing interview or something.

I don't even hate the idea of trying to find the next McVay or any of that - but what's so strange to me is that it seems obvious that if you're hiring an offensive guru head coach, he should be very hands on and designing the offense. But that doesn't seem to be the case here - the 2019 Browns offense is way different than the ones Kitchens was so successful with in the last half of last year. It's a lot closer to the Tampa Bay offense that Monken ran in Tampa Bay. So to hire an offensive guru but not have him run his own offense seems like the worst of all worlds.
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Old 09-23-2019, 04:57 PM
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I honestly don't know. I read an article at the time, but I can't remember if this was sourced or speculation, but the article said that the NFL is so desperate to find the next Sean McVay, an up and coming offensive mind, that they're hiring guys who are way outside the norm for head coach hires that would fit the bill (Kingsbury's hire would support this idea), and that either someone else would hire Kitchens if they didn't. Or if not this year, then if they hire a different HC, in a year or two if Kitchens continues to be successful, another team would make him an offer and the Browns would have to decide between a coach they hired a year or two ago or Kitchens, and that'd be a pretty awkward position.

I don't know - all indications is that Dorsey is behind the pick and he seems pretty reasonable so I suspect Kitchens must've had a crazy convincing interview or something.

I don't even hate the idea of trying to find the next McVay or any of that - but what's so strange to me is that it seems obvious that if you're hiring an offensive guru head coach, he should be very hands on and designing the offense. But that doesn't seem to be the case here - the 2019 Browns offense is way different than the ones Kitchens was so successful with in the last half of last year. It's a lot closer to the Tampa Bay offense that Monken ran in Tampa Bay. So to hire an offensive guru but not have him run his own offense seems like the worst of all worlds.
The Zac Taylor hiring also fits the bolded. He jumped straight to HC without a coordinator gig first.
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I don't think that Bears receiver had control before that first foot came up off the ground, but the Redskins really don't want to be even close to winning this game anyway.
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He had the ball in his hands with the left foot down then that foot kicked the pylon when the right foot hit so it looks a bit questionable, but good (I am a Bears fan).

I never thought Taylor Gabriel would have a 3 TD game (or half...)

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I was wrong about this game. Yes, I was right about Case Keenum getting a wakeup call from a very good defense. Yes, I was right about me checking out early because it was a hideously ugly game. But I was wrong that I would buy Observation and play it tonight. Instead, I watched I'm Sorry with the wife.

Cant be right all the time.

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All four NFC North teams win in the same week, and all of them have a winning record 3 games in. That's gotta be a first.
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All four NFC North teams win in the same week, and all of them have a winning record 3 games in. That's gotta be a first.
They're the only division with all teams above .500. And all of the losses are from divisional games.
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I'm glad the Bears don't have any more MNF games this year. Booger is the absolute worst announcer. And they spent way too much time cutting to the booth when players were on the field.
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The Zac Taylor hiring also fits the bolded. He jumped straight to HC without a coordinator gig first.
Mostly. He was an interim OC for Miami for 5 games and OC for the University of Cincinnatti, so he had some slight OC experience.
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They're the only division with all teams above .500. And all of the losses are from divisional games.
KC at Detroit next week, yeah that will change. Whereas, CHI vs MIN means one more division only loss, GB vs PHIL will probably keep the win streak going.
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I'm glad the Bears don't have any more MNF games this year. Booger is the absolute worst announcer. And they spent way too much time cutting to the booth when players were on the field.
Say Booger, do you think Mitch is a bad quarterback and Jay Gruden should be fired?
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I'm glad the Bears don't have any more MNF games this year. Booger is the absolute worst announcer. And they spent way too much time cutting to the booth when players were on the field.
Booger needs to learn that less is more. You don't need to fill every second with Gruden-esque praise. He also said that other Gruden may be fired like 15 times in the second half...we get it.

The Bears won easily, but I am somehow coming out of this game feeling pretty apprehensive about the performance.

Trubisky was better, but the Redskins defense was AWFUL. Trubisky was 20 of 23 in the first half and it still felt like he was really inaccurate. Many of those WRs were wide, wide open and while he hit most of them, too many throws forced the WRs to reach/adjust. And those incompletions were not defended or dropped, they were misses. This is scary because Trubisky's issue in the first couple seasons wasn't accuracy, it was reading defenses, getting through progressions and manipulating coverages. Now, he has throws that are nowhere close like that INT in the endzone.

The offensive gameplan was better but still they trotted out a few gimmicks in a easily winnable game. Why don't you save those for high leverage situations? The running game still was largely ineffective until that final 4 minute drive. The offensive line continues to be a big weakness which is frankly surprising. Kyle Long has been flat out bad and both Daniels and Whitehair seem to be struggling after switching back to what was assumed to be their natural positions.

And so many penalties. Both offense and defense are getting flagged left and right while the officials this season seem to have universally agreed that it's OK to mug pass rushers. The penalties in the secondary I can live with, but the neutral zone violations, false starts and too many men calls are just sloppy.

The defense let down in the second half, but they were running with the backups for almost the entire second half. It almost got us into trouble. Hicks got dinged up, which sorta argues in favor of the choice to protect guys a bit, but we almost let them back into this game. I'm not going to overreact to the weak second half, but it's something to monitor and I mostly place that on the coaching staff.

Still, we're 2-1 with another big divisional game coming up on a short week. It's at least progress.
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Trubisky was better, but the Redskins defense was AWFUL. Trubisky was 20 of 23 in the first half and it still felt like he was really inaccurate.
One, just one, of his 24 completions were thrown more than 15 yards.

To me, this speaks volumes about Nagy and his feelings about the Bears and Trubisky. Nagy isn't Mike Martz, who would run his offense no matter what. Nagy is so much smarter, he tailors his gameplan to fit the abilities of his QB. So you get 24 completions, a vast majority of which are within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, and rely on your defense to win games. Its smart, and so far successful, football. Nagy tried to unveil his offense week 1, realized it wasn't working, and adjusted accordingly.

Trubisky doesnt have to be great, he doesnt have to be worth the 2nd pick of the draft, and he doesnt have to be Mahomes or Watson. He just needs to not fuck up.

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They're the only division with all teams above .500. And all of the losses are from divisional games.
That's actually quite impressive, even if it is early in the season.

By contrast, the AFC North, AFC West, NFC East, and NFC South each have one team with a winning record.
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One, just one, of his 24 completions were thrown more than 15 yards.

To me, this speaks volumes about Nagy and his feelings about the Bears and Trubisky. Nagy isn't Mike Martz, who would run his offense no matter what. Nagy is so much smarter, he tailors his gameplan to fit the abilities of his QB. So you get 24 completions, a vast majority of which are within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage, and rely on your defense to win games. Its smart, and so far successful, football. Nagy tried to unveil his offense week 1, realized it wasn't working, and adjusted accordingly.

Trubisky doesnt have to be great, he doesnt have to be worth the 2nd pick of the draft, and he doesnt have to be Mahomes or Watson. He just needs to not fuck up.
They need to work on time of possession. Last year they were top 3, currently they're #21. Put together long drives, even if it is with short passes and runs. Then the defense comes on, forces quick 3 and out or a turnover, and they're defense has to get right back on the field. It wears them down and eventually those opportunities will open up.

Even if Trubisky isn't the QB of the future, he's certainly the QB of the present. I think lots of teams will be scrambling for QBs next year, so it won't be a good time to get someone else.
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An impressive display of Gaudere's Law


Sports Illustrated dot com decided to mock the Washington Redskins for misspelling a player's name during a halftime tribute.

"How hard is it to have somebody proofread your jumbotron graphics? It’s a little thing, but it’s emblematic of how this franchise has been run for quite some time. They haven’t won a playoff game in since 2005."

http://si.com/extra-mustard/2019/09/...oreboard-photo

Lest we forget, Gaudere's Law states that any post made to point out a spelling or grammatical error will inevitably contain a spelling or grammatical error.
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Trubisky doesnt have to be great, he doesnt have to be worth the 2nd pick of the draft, and he doesnt have to be Mahomes or Watson. He just needs to not fuck up.
You know that’s basically the definition of a “game manager” QB.
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You know that’s basically the definition of a “game manager” QB.
The Pats won last year's Super Bowl with a defense that strangled a young genius' offense and a QB who had a 71.4 passer rating. The Broncos won Super Bowl 50 thanks to an outstanding defense facing an overrated QB and a QB who threw for less than 150 yards and had a 56.6 passer rating. With the kind of defense the Bears have had since Mack showed up, they only need an efficient, mistake minimizing QB to win.
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So, the Bears just need a game manager.
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You can win with a game manager and a great defense, but the margin for error is small. It's worth noting that the Patriots were facing Mitc...I mean, Jared Goff running that "genius" offense.

It's also a bit of selection bias. I seem to remember a Super Bowl in 2006-2007 with a other worldly defense and a wannabe game manager at QB that weren't so fortunate in their opposing QB selection.
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It's also a bit of selection bias. I seem to remember a Super Bowl in 2006-2007 with a other worldly defense and a wannabe game manager at QB that weren't so fortunate in their opposing QB selection.
You could be the first person ever to refer to Rex Grossman as a game manager. He's an example of "let's overpay for a shot at an "elite" QB" thinking.

He threw two picks and fumbled twice, losing one, in that Super Bowl. That's about as far from "efficient and mistake avoiding" as you can get. Hell, if he doesnt shoot the Bears in the foot over and over that game, they could have won.
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You could be the first person ever to refer to Rex Grossman as a game manager. He's an example of "let's overpay for a shot at an "elite" QB" thinking.

He threw two picks and fumbled twice, losing one, in that Super Bowl. That's about as far from "efficient and mistake avoiding" as you can get. Hell, if he doesnt shoot the Bears in the foot over and over that game, they could have won.
They even had Devin Hester helping them out by scoring a touchdown about fifteen seconds into the game. The CBS announcers said, "Rex, you've been spotted a seven point lead!"
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Oh crap the ending to the Eagles-Packers game was insane.
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Packers had terrible playcalling there. Two timeouts, why not run the ball up the gut twice?
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Packers had terrible playcalling there. Two timeouts, why not run the ball up the gut twice?
1) No confidence in their run game.

2) Maddox was out and a guy (Craig James) just brought off the practice squad took his place. The secondary was vulnerable. Irony is, that “weak link” was the one who tipped the pass for the takeaway.
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You could be the first person ever to refer to Rex Grossman as a game manager. He's an example of "let's overpay for a shot at an "elite" QB" thinking.

He threw two picks and fumbled twice, losing one, in that Super Bowl. That's about as far from "efficient and mistake avoiding" as you can get. Hell, if he doesnt shoot the Bears in the foot over and over that game, they could have won.
Yeah, that's why I said "wannabe". Lovie was never a swing for the fences guy, but Sexy Rexy would have none of it.
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How do we not have a thread for NFL Week IV: A New Hope?
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How do we not have a thread for NFL Week IV: A New Hope?
Because I'm too lazy to look up the spreads the way Beef always does.
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Curious if Eagles fans are pissed at Sendejo for him injuring Maddox. Guy is a notorious cheap shot artist, so having a friendly fire incident I'm sure is going over well.
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Who committed the uncalled head-to-head hit on the punt return in that game? How was that not called?
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