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Old 07-03-2018, 01:22 PM
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About those missiles: There is evidence that the motors are actually old Soviet RD-250's scavenged from the Ukraine, and not any technology developed by North Korea. How many of those do you think NK has? Kim has a finite supply of a critical technology, so why waste them? He's already got the American President bending over.
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:32 PM
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I just don't necessarily believe that upgrading a nuclear facility is necessarily a game-changer, and it doesn't necessarily portend the end of diplomacy. I see it as North Korea taking precautions in case diplomacy breaks down and they determine that they need to start saber rattling again. It's still possible that there's some sort of tentative framework that, even if it's not quite full denuclearization, could still reduce tensions considerably. If Kim can agree to suspend his nuke program, suspend his missile program, allow inspectors to monitor his facilities, pulls back some of his heavy artillery along the border, and stops harassing Japan and South Korea, then I would consider that a major breakthrough, regardless of whether Trump's boasts of full denuclearization come up short. I actually do believe that there's a way to achieve those goals to some degree. A lot of it will boil down to lifting sanctions - to what degree and when.
We're dealing with an ICBM-armed nuclear state one way or the other so you are right, the upgrades probably aren't a game changer. This is still a bad sign. Upgrading the nuclear facility shows that North Korea intends to invest more in their nuclear arsenal to increase their danger. North Korea is a poor country with limited resources. If they believed that they were going to have to dismantle their nuclear program, they would invest their military resources in other things that would survive the "denuclearization" pledge. They aren't doing that because what dealing with Trump has taught them is that the more nuclear power they have, the more that Trump will give them while getting nothing in return.
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Old 07-03-2018, 02:17 PM
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Hurr, you should probably reserve some ammo. Won't be long before you are down here telling us that our massive economic problems are because of Obama's trade war.
I'm a conservative gun owner. I've probably got enough ammo to build Trump's wall out of ammo cans.
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:34 AM
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There is the little matter that North Korea has desisted with launching missiles over Japan too.
Because that's what you do after you successfully build and test a nuclear deterrent. You are negotiating from a position of strength. After that, you maintain your deterrent while extracting concessions. NK is maintaining (or upgrading) their deterrent. NK have extracted concessions.

Have they given Trump any concessions? None that I can see. Trump is too cowardly to tell the public the terms of his "deal", so there's no way to know what he asked for. All signs point to nothing more than "please don't hurt me".
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Old 07-04-2018, 09:42 AM
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Trump did have his eye on beachfront property, maybe he did get a little something out of it. For himself.
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Old 07-04-2018, 10:02 AM
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Trump did have his eye on beachfront property, maybe he did get a little something out of it. For himself.
Perhaps we should check to see if he is buying land east of the San Andreas faultline. Me, I would like to live in Otisville. Seems like a nice place.
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Old 07-04-2018, 11:25 AM
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Old 07-04-2018, 12:50 PM
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We're dealing with an ICBM-armed nuclear state one way or the other so you are right, the upgrades probably aren't a game changer. This is still a bad sign. Upgrading the nuclear facility shows that North Korea intends to invest more in their nuclear arsenal to increase their danger. North Korea is a poor country with limited resources. If they believed that they were going to have to dismantle their nuclear program, they would invest their military resources in other things that would survive the "denuclearization" pledge. They aren't doing that because what dealing with Trump has taught them is that the more nuclear power they have, the more that Trump will give them while getting nothing in return.
I don't necessarily see upgrades as ominous in and of themselves. My feeling all along has been that we have no choice but to accept North Korea as a nuclear power. My concern all along has been that Trump might insist on his not having that capability. Insisting that Kim give up his nuclear weapons program entirely before giving him something in return will go nowhere, and it could lead to a complete breakdown in the process. There's a lot to criticize about Trump's foreign policy, but having a meeting and talking with Kim isn't giving him something for nothing in return. It's a move toward deescalation, which is the responsible thing to do. It's the opposite of pounding a podium and using epithets like Little Rocket Man, and threatening fire and fury. It's potentially more productive than the policy of insisting on crippling sanctions while refusing to talk until he spreads himself prostrate, which is only asking for trouble. It makes the threat to his regime's survival real and the perceived danger more inevitable.

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Anyone who is dumb enough to think that a cancelled exercise means the US military is, in any significant way "less prepared" or "less credible" now is probably dumb enough that they didn't realize how the exercises showcased our preparedness and credibility in the first place.
The phrasing of this response runs too close to a personal attack.

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Old 07-07-2018, 09:00 AM
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North Korea says talks with Pompeo were "regrettable"
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The North provided a much harsher assessment of the talks, saying that the United States betrayed the spirit of last month's summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim by making "one-sided and robber-like" demands on "CVID," or the complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of North Korea.

It said the outcome of the follow-up talks was "very concerning" because it has led to a "dangerous phase that might rattle our willingness for denuclearization that had been firm."

"We had expected that the U.S. side would offer constructive measures that would help build trust based on the spirit of the leaders' summit ... we were also thinking about providing reciprocal measures," an unnamed spokesman of Pyongyang's Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the North's official Korean Central News Agency.

"However, the attitude and stance the United States showed in the first high-level meeting (between the countries) was no doubt regrettable," the spokesman said.
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Old 07-07-2018, 09:07 AM
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It'll be interesting to see what happens with NK-US relations now that the trade war is fully on. Diplomatically, we are increasingly isolating ourselves, reducing our leverage in the process. I'm not saying we don't have a lot of pull - we do. But it's more complicated now. How do you coordinate a NK response when you've just launched a trade war with the one power that keeps North Korea's regime alive, and threatened trad war with other allies in the region?

Moreover, Iran sanctions are becoming a thing, putting stress on petroleum prices. Iran has also tossed out its most direct threat of retaliation yet, saying that they could block the Hormuz Strait.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ter-u-s-threat

Such a provocative move could by itself start a war, which could conceivably start a global recession within a flash.

Trump's foreign policy is beginning to fight multiple diplomatic wars on multiple diplomatic fronts. Had he approached some of his battles one at a time, perhaps his approach might seem more coherent. But everything he's done so far has lacked strategy, has been premised on mostly his own impulses. The kinds of crises he's tasked with managing - and he's juggling several big ones now - are situations that can go way, way south, and fast.

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Old 07-07-2018, 09:23 AM
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... Iran has also tossed out its most direct threat of retaliation yet, saying that they could block the Hormuz Strait.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ter-u-s-threat

Such a provocative move could by itself start a war ...
That would not go the way they think it will. It would be Praying Mantis 2.0

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Old 07-07-2018, 09:28 AM
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Trump negotiates from strength. Maybe this will work out, perhaps it won't, but at least we are not giving North Korea 400+ Million in cash and freeing up accesses in the billions for them to use.

Donald tends to be bombastic in the early rounds of negotiation. He can tone it down or make concessions, but only if the other side is serious. It's up to one man to take the deal.
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Old 07-07-2018, 09:34 AM
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Donald tends to be bombastic in the early rounds of negotiation. He can tone it down or make concessions, but only if the other side is serious. It's up to one man to take the deal.
Is that how Trump "negotiates"? Take it or leave it?
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Old 07-07-2018, 09:36 AM
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Trump negotiates from strength, all right. He also negotiates into weakness. You look at any negotiation Trump has ever undertaken, and he's always started off in a strong position.
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Trump negotiates from strength. Maybe this will work out, perhaps it won't, but at least we are not giving North Korea 400+ Million in cash and freeing up accesses in the billions for them to use.
I love it. In other words, it literally does not matter to you if Trump succeeds or fails because Obama.

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Old 07-07-2018, 09:51 AM
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Donald tends to be bombastic in the early rounds of negotiation.
Since you're on a first name basis, do you mind passing along a message for me? It's very brief.
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Old 07-07-2018, 10:02 AM
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Trump negotiates from strength. Maybe this will work out, perhaps it won't, but at least we are not giving North Korea 400+ Million in cash and freeing up accesses in the billions for them to use.

Donald tends to be bombastic in the early rounds of negotiation. He can tone it down or make concessions, but only if the other side is serious. It's up to one man to take the deal.
No, Trump just gave them legitimacy, pageantry, a propaganda victory, and an end to joint US SK training exercises in exchange for nothing. Kind of like pulling out of the JCPOA, strengthening the hard liners in Iran and giving them an easier path towards nuclear weapons, in exchange for no benefit to the US.

So far Trump is big on giving authoritarian regimes a bunch of gifts while getting nothing in return.

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Old 07-07-2018, 12:04 PM
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Trump negotiates from strength. Maybe this will work out, perhaps it won't, but at least we are not giving North Korea 400+ Million in cash and freeing up accesses in the billions for them to use.

Donald tends to be bombastic in the early rounds of negotiation. He can tone it down or make concessions, but only if the other side is serious. It's up to one man to take the deal.
What kind of bet would you be willing to make on this? What could possibly convince you that this bargain isn't going to end with Trump looking good?

What Trump is demanding is and remains the thing that North Korea is not willing to give him. What he demands may as well amount to saying, "All right, we'll give you X, Y, and Z if you give us Kim Jong Un's severed head on a silver platter." At least, this is how North Korea sees it - attaining nuclear weapons and maintaining a nuclear arsenal has been the lynchpin of their defense strategy for several decades now, precisely because they know that as long as they have a deterrent like that, nobody is going to be ballsy enough to try to take out the Kim family, whereas rulers like Gaddafi and Hussein had a much rougher time of it after ending their nuclear programs. Trump cannot get what he wants. Not via negotiation. It's like trying to get a person's liver out of a discussion about tariffs.
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Old 07-07-2018, 12:16 PM
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What Trump is demanding is and remains the thing that North Korea is not willing to give him. What he demands may as well amount to saying, "All right, we'll give you X, Y, and Z if you give us Kim Jong Un's severed head on a silver platter."
Except Trump's offer lacked X, Y or Z. Master deal maker indeed.
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Old 07-07-2018, 12:51 PM
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Called it the day he said it would happen. This should be a lesson for Trump fans that they voted for a jackass moron. Dude got played harder than some backwoods piece of crumpet at a Phish shindig.
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Old 07-07-2018, 12:57 PM
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The OP's question, answered!
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Old 07-07-2018, 01:03 PM
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Trump negotiates from strength.
Trump has lost every negotiation he has been involved with as President. There’s no wall. There’s no repeal an replace. He was ignored by congress in all budget deals and the tax bill. His trade policy is senseless and he’s not winning.

Trump negotiates from a position of being a monkey with a machine gun: you can’t talk sense into him and he can only wreck the things that adults are working on.
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Old 07-07-2018, 01:14 PM
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It'll be interesting to see what happens with NK-US relations now that the trade war is fully on.
I know where they can get a good deal on soy beans.
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Old 07-07-2018, 01:14 PM
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How TF could anyone think that these pathetic shenanigans are anything close to "negotiating from strength"?
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Old 07-07-2018, 03:43 PM
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Potato, potahto; tomato, tomahto; negotiating from a position of strength, flailing about tantrum style in a crib. It's all in the pronounciation.
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Old 07-07-2018, 04:03 PM
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Trump negotiates from strength. Maybe this will work out, perhaps it won't, but at least we are not giving North Korea 400+ Million in cash and freeing up accesses in the billions for them to use.
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Old 07-07-2018, 10:09 PM
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Trump negotiates from strength. Maybe this will work out, perhaps it won't, but at least we are not giving North Korea 400+ Million in cash and freeing up accesses in the billions for them to use.

Donald tends to be bombastic in the early rounds of negotiation. He can tone it down or make concessions, but only if the other side is serious. It's up to one man to take the deal.
Very simple question. How do you have any idea any of this is true? North Korea hasn't even declared its capabilities. Trump hasn't even declared the terms of the deal. How would you even know if this has succeeded or failed?

Sure it's fun to be bombastic, but if you're bombastic and the other side does nothing, then you kind of just look like a rodeo clown. Which is exactly what everybody knows Trump is.
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Old 07-08-2018, 09:43 AM
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Trump negotiates from strength. Maybe this will work out, perhaps it won't, but at least we are not giving North Korea 400+ Million in cash and freeing up accesses in the billions for them to use.

Donald tends to be bombastic in the early rounds of negotiation. He can tone it down or make concessions, but only if the other side is serious. It's up to one man to take the deal.
You failed to mention that the $400 million was the Iranians' own fucking money in the first place.

Dumb Donald totally got owned by Kim. Kim got to appear on the world stage as equal to a superpower, Donald got absolutely nothing.

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Old 07-12-2018, 10:33 AM
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North Korean officials did not show up to a planned meeting with US officials at the demilitarized zone Thursday, where they were expected to continue discussions on repatriating the remains of Americans killed during the Korean War, a senior US official tells CNN.

There was no call or explanation from North Korean officials on why they skipped the meeting.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:53 AM
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Trump's trade war is making enemies out of allies (well, 'regional partner in the case of China), which is only going to complicate Trump's efforts with North Korea.

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North Korean officials did not show up to a planned meeting with US officials at the demilitarized zone Thursday, where they were expected to continue discussions on repatriating the remains of Americans killed during the Korean War, a senior US official tells CNN.

There was no call or explanation from North Korean officials on why they skipped the meeting.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/polit...ins/index.html
Let's go to the quarry and throw stuff down there!

Okay, the underlying situation (the unreturned remains of our soldiers) isn't funny at all, but my mental picture was of Mike Pompeo himself standing at the DMZ waiting for his counterpart and the little ceremony and the photos, etc.... and then it just not happening, like he's stood up like a bad date and he doesn't even know if he's stood up because there was no phone call, no text message, nothing.... and then it starts raining.

Cut to a North Korean office where officer types in military uniforms laugh and high five each other watching thru CCTV cameras.

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Two interesting developments:

1) North Korea may be dismantling their missile testing facilities:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ilities-report


2) Fuel prices drop, indicating that someone might be helping North Korea violate sanctions.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-n...-idUSKBN1KE15F
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This is Typo Negative's find; I just wanna make sure it doesn't get missed in this thread: U.S. spy agencies: North Korea is working on new missiles
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Newly obtained evidence, including satellite photos taken in recent weeks, indicates that work is underway on at least one and possibly two liquid-fueled ICBMs at a large research facility in Sanumdong, on the outskirts of Pyongyang, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe classified intelligence.

The findings are the latest to show ongoing activity inside North Korea’s nuclear and missile facilities at a time when the country’s leaders are engaged in arms talks with the United States. The new intelligence does not suggest an expansion of North Korea’s capabilities but shows that work on advanced weapons is continuing weeks after President Trump declared in a Twitter posting that Pyongyang was “no longer a Nuclear Threat.”
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Well, I for one am shocked. Shocked, I tell you.
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On the plus side it looks like the US got some remains back.
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A US military plane made a rare trip into North Korea to retrieve 55 small, flag-draped cases of remains on Friday.
It'll be a while (potentially years) before the contents of the cases can be verified, but if these turn out to be actual US soldiers' remains from the Korean War I will consider this a small win for the Trump administration.

And at last, all those grieving parents of those missing Korean War soldiers can have some closure. All those parents. Yup.
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Old 07-31-2018, 09:58 AM
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Here's an interesting perspective from a website I've found to be pretty non-partisan and credible in their analysis of North Korea (38 North):

https://www.38north.org/2018/07/gporter072618/

Basically, the author confirms a point I made on a different thread, which is that this activity isn't surprising, nor is it a sign that progress cannot be made.

According to the author, North Korea never really agreed to suspend their weapons programs and made comparisons to the era of US-Soviet weapons negotiations: while both sides negotiated, they still continued to arm themselves. The linked article actually refers more to press reaction to activity at Yongbon, but the same arguments surely apply to the production of ICBMs as well. We would expect North Korea to hedge and keep its hard-earned nuke and ICBM technology within arm's reach in case talks break down. This is not a sign that the talks are over, and the danger is that the sensationalist press and Trump's diehard critics might cast doubt over some kind of agreement before they've had a chance to iron out the wrinkles in whatever tentative framework that gets established - all just to see him fail at something.

The author seems to be suggesting that insiders in the Trump administration don't want peace with North Korea, and it was suggested that they might be using the media to sabotage negotiations before they can continue to the next phase. Seems like something the Walrus Bolton would do.
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This is not a sign that the talks are over, and the danger is that the sensationalist press and Trump's diehard critics might cast doubt over some kind of agreement before they've had a chance to iron out the wrinkles in whatever tentative framework that gets established - all just to see him fail at something.
That's a really great take and all, but as a "diehard critic" of Trump, my criticism isn't that I want his initiative to fail. Far from it. My criticism is there's no substance to his initiative whatsoever. Your interpretation of continued activity is that it takes time for weapons development to roll to a stop. That's not unreasonable, but the problem is that this is also how it looks when there's no substantive agreement or intent to stop anything.
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That's a really great take and all, but as a "diehard critic" of Trump, my criticism isn't that I want his initiative to fail. Far from it. My criticism is there's no substance to his initiative whatsoever. Your interpretation of continued activity is that it takes time for weapons development to roll to a stop. That's not unreasonable, but the problem is that this is also how it looks when there's no substantive agreement or intent to stop anything.
I'm not saying that every critic wants him to fail, but clearly some are counting on Trump to fail and react with glee at every single development that might call his diplomatic skills into question. For the record, I think Trump's negotiating skills are crap and he's engaging in mostly dangerous diplomacy on a variety of fronts. I'm on record as being in agreement with most everyone here that Trump's North Korean outreach is likely going to fail. At the same time, it would be a pleasant surprise if it somehow succeeds, and there's the possibility at least that it could, despite what conventional wisdom would say to the contrary.

My interpretation is that both sides have to start somewhere, which is to agree to talk first. Just getting North Korea and the US in the same room was an achievement. Yes, I know Trump has been prematurely over-selling his achievements with NK, but we expected as much. Moreover, despite the obvious fact that the weapons program is still very much alive, there actually have been tangible signs of progress here and there.
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At the same time, it would be a pleasant surprise if it somehow succeeds
It would also be a pleasant surprise if Trump was secretly finalizing his unified field theorem, solving poverty, and ending violence in the Middle East. Maybe being an imbecile is a strategic negotiating advantage that he'll also manage to solve the North Korea problem with a series of tweets. Personally I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Hmm. What do you suppose this means?

"Only one military dog tag allegedly was provided to U.S. officials last week when North Korea handed over 55 boxes of what it said were the remains of American soldiers killed in the Korean War, The Associated Press reported Tuesday.A U.S. defense official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told the AP that it could take months or years to identify the remains. The official could not say what name was on the dog tag or whether it even belonged to an American."

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/39...remains-report
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Hmm. What do you suppose this means?

"Only one military dog tag allegedly was provided to U.S. officials last week when North Korea handed over 55 boxes of what it said were the remains of American soldiers killed in the Korean War, The Associated Press reported Tuesday.A U.S. defense official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told the AP that it could take months or years to identify the remains. The official could not say what name was on the dog tag or whether it even belonged to an American."

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/39...remains-report
It means the first order of business is to verify that the remains are actually human.
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Iran is on record for wanting to destroy our ally, Israel. And with nuclear weapons, they could do it.
Uh ... So why was canceling the deal where they gave up nuclear weapons development so bad? Your stance doesn't seem completely consistent.

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$400 million? Well, that explains it. Whose bright idea was it to pay them in singles?
$400 million? All this right-wing constipation and bitter spittle-speckled splutter, and all we owed them was $400 million? I think the cost of the laxatives and expectorants needed to remedy the hypocrisy-fatigued right-wingers must have exceeded the payment itself.
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Back on topic, North Korea may be finding that their main benefactor, China, is far more willing to help them violate sanctions going forward. This article, along with several others, describes how China is already helping North Korea with power shortages again.

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/kor...018152744.html

It seems that in addition to underestimating the costs of his trade war on US farmers, Trump may have also failed to consider how a trade war ends up sacrificing major leverage on North Korea. China has no reason to help the US in imposing international sanctions now. And if China can help the regime stay alive, then North Korea can continue to defy the US, if it chooses to.

This doesn't mean that China wants North Korea to lash out again, nor does it mean that North Korea has a desire to kill the spirit of detente. But the US has been approaching relations with both China and North Korea with the assumption that it has the ability to apply extreme pain to both countries and force them to capitulate.

And whereas China, assuming that it was not initially a target of Trump's ire, was willing to be an instrument for the US in applying that pressure in hopes that it would lead to a more stable regional political environment, now realizes that they, too, are in Washington's cross hairs. China now realizes that it's being used. It still wants regional stability, but it's not going to be suckered again. Any 'deal' between North Korea and the US is going to have to satisfy China's regional interests, as well as North Korea's.

In short, achieving a long-term peace deal acceptable to all parties involved has become more complicated, in large part due to the fact that Trump has picked multiple fights with multiple countries at the same time. He's fighting multi-front wars. Moreover, it's not clear to anyone what Trump really wants. Thus, it's unclear to other countries what they should do to help resolve some of these conflicts. The assumption from their point of view is that Trump is not really negotiating; he's just trying to intimidate and humiliate, which sows confusion. It's also dangerous as hell.

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Hmm. What do you suppose this means?

"Only one military dog tag allegedly was provided to U.S. officials last week when North Korea handed over 55 boxes of what it said were the remains of American soldiers killed in the Korean War, The Associated Press reported Tuesday.A U.S. defense official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told the AP that it could take months or years to identify the remains. The official could not say what name was on the dog tag or whether it even belonged to an American."

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/39...remains-report
well, that was amazingly fast -

Kentucky Soldier Killed In Korean War Identified


But I can't quite tell if thats from this most recent set of remains or something earlier? the timing seems off.

On re-read - said they were identified July 3rd - and I don't believe these latest remains have even made it to the US yet.

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