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Old 06-19-2015, 10:45 AM
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So I finally won a game by myself against the AI (by chance, I previously won a game against the AI when I accidentally played with others). Anyway, I clearly have no idea what I'm doing. I played with Malfurion and I've come to realize I need to hang back or else I'll get killed quickly. The problem is, if I hang back, the AI teammate I'm with also hangs back with me doing nothing particularly useful. I must be doing something wrong.
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Old 06-19-2015, 11:05 AM
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A ranged support character like Malfurion should be hanging back. As for the bot you're partnering with, it depends on what they are. If they're also ranged, they'll also be hanging back. They (and you) should still be staying close enough to contribute in some way, of course, whether by direct attacks or spells. On the other hand, if the AI is playing a tough tanky melee character like Stitches or Diablo, they should be right up on the front line. In my limited experience, it doesn't look like the bots take their cues on where to stand from anything you do.
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Old 06-19-2015, 12:01 PM
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You know, it seems like there might be enough people playing the game from here that we could form a sort of a... league-ish? thing?... and maybe play with and against one another. Would there be any interest in that sort of thing? Is that sort of thing even possible within the game's framework?

P.S. Tyrael is my favorite character so far, and I miss him now that he's rotated out of the free collection. I'm buying him first.

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Old 06-19-2015, 12:07 PM
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If you see me on just invite me to a party for qm. I'm just short for being eligible for hero league, but I want to practice a lot more before I go there. Randmcnally#1224.
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When I'm playing with AI teammates, is there something I should be doing to direct the AI teammate actions? I just played the map where you collect tributes and the ai Teammates completely ignored the tributes. The one we collected I collected by myself completely alone, which wasn't a good idea since I was a squishy character.
It seems weird to me that the computer AI prioritized collecting tributes, but the teammate AI ignored them. Is there something I need to do to get them to collect stuff?
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:21 PM
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When I'm playing with AI teammates, is there something I should be doing to direct the AI teammate actions? I just played the map where you collect tributes and the ai Teammates completely ignored the tributes. The one we collected I collected by myself completely alone, which wasn't a good idea since I was a squishy character.
It seems weird to me that the computer AI prioritized collecting tributes, but the teammate AI ignored them. Is there something I need to do to get them to collect stuff?
You can ping them. Click "G" then left click on what you want to do then they'll be directed.

Honestly, you're not going to get any better playing AI. I play two training rounds with a new hero to get a feel then jump into QM.
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Old 06-19-2015, 06:51 PM
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That would have been good to know that time my bot teammates abandoned the undefended core to go play the map's gimmick. Also that one time when, after devoting all their effort to collecting zombie seeds, they let our Garden Terror rot on the vine unused (unfortunately, I was dead at the time).

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Old 06-19-2015, 06:58 PM
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Honestly, you're not going to get any better playing AI. I play two training rounds with a new hero to get a feel then jump into QM.
This is good advice. Once you know the basic rules of the game and the way the characters operate, jump in and play with real people.
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That would have been good to know that time my bot teammates abandoned the undefended core to go play the map's gimmick. Also that one time when, after devoting all their effort to collecting zombie seeds, they let our Garden Terror rot on the vine unused (unfortunately, I was dead at the time).

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Well, there isn't any guarantee that people won't do that...
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Thanks for the advice. I'll try the ping thing.

As for playing with others, you are probably right, but I'd like to get a better handle on what is going on before playing with people. I still get massively confused.
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Thanks for the advice. I'll try the ping thing.

As for playing with others, you are probably right, but I'd like to get a better handle on what is going on before playing with people. I still get massively confused.
From what I've gathered, please keep in mind that I'm still a noob, is that until around level ten you stay in a lane and soak up xp via minions and do the objectives. The first team to level ten has a distinct advantage due to receiving their ults. After that point it's best that the teams stick together and complete objectives together in preparation for team fights. In a team fight 4 v 5 is a big deal, you also don't want to be separated as you'll probably be picked off.

Now, take everything I just said and add "it depends" to it. Mostly do what your team does. One stupid plan is better than five individual brilliant plans. If the entire team is pushing toward a fort then stop soaking xp and join them. And use judgment. If the objective is all the way across the map, the bulk of the team is already there, and there's no way the majority of your team could get there in time then stay in your lane; don't trickle in only to get ganked by the other team.
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Old 06-20-2015, 03:19 AM
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Three of us were playing together tonight and had a game go over a half hour. I thought we were losing about 13 minutes in - and we were, pretty heavily - I told someone else who wanted to get in on our next game that it would be a 4 minute wait until it was finished - and then the other team started getting overconfident and we won some big team fights and gradually pushed them back. It got down to a final standoff when we were both down to just our bases and either side attacking the other left a critical vulnerability on their side. We barely won at the end at a little over 30 minutes.
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Old 06-20-2015, 09:09 AM
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Do you guy have accounts at Hotslogs? It's a site where you upload your replays and it keeps statics on your builds, win rates, etc. What's cool is it gathers others data with other users so you can see what and how others are doing.

Like, my second favorite hero so far has been Brightwing. I love the ult "Emerald Wind," but the vast majority of the community uses "Blink Heal." Nineteen percent versus eight-one percent usage, respectively. But the win rates for people who pick (and upload) Emerald Wind is 55.9% while Heal is 57.1%, so not that different. It lets me know that if I see another BW they'll probably choose Heal, meaning I can go a bit more aggressive and their team may not have crowd control.

Now, you may be asking why I don't use BH. I like to be an aggressive support and EW has the ability to completely turn the tide of a team fight. If a lot of people are wounded it can wipe an entire team. It is also really good if I'm able to get between the group, hit the ult, and I've separated the team from each other and can easily pick off 1,2 enemy heroes.
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Old 06-20-2015, 09:42 AM
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This early in the game's history, a preference for Blink Heal is probably just due to people who haven't yet unlocked Emerald Wind, or haven't yet gotten a chance to get used to it. This is especially true given that Brightwing is currently on free rotation, so even folks who have been playing a lot might be starting fresh with her.
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Old 06-23-2015, 03:19 AM
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Does quick match have any matchmaking at all? It seems like maybe it has a team composition matchmaker, but no skill matchmaker at all. Whether I completely stop, get completely stomped, or have a balanced game seems equally probable and totally random.
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Old 06-23-2015, 10:55 AM
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It does have a skill matchmaker, but any skill matchmaking system is going to be unreliable with a new player in a new community. Some of the people you're playing with are total newbs to everything computer-related for whom this is their first video game, and some of the people you're playing with are total newbs to this particular game but have years of experience with Dota, LoL, and other similar games. And until you've played enough games, the matchmaker has no way of knowing which are which.

My turn for a question: It looks like daily quests just accumulate until they're completed (I didn't have any specialists unlocked, and so couldn't do "play three games as a specialist"). Can you have more than three dailies pending? What happens if you get more? Does everyone get the same new quest each day?
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Old 06-23-2015, 12:03 PM
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I think part of it is that QM is used for experimentation. I'm at a decent rank, in theory, but I'm forcing myself to learn a new hero, so I'm sucking.
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Old 06-27-2015, 06:46 PM
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OK, so, you know how the heroes on a team chat a bit before the match starts? I got a funny one today.

Anub'urak: Nice legs!
Zagara: Creep.
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I'm playing pretty casually and pretty much enjoying it. But the other night played a quick match where the other team had a guy playing Illidan... holy cow, this guy was a one man wrecking crew. It was starting to feel like he could've beat us 1 vs 5.

Anyone playing the league matches? are all the players like this guy when you get there?
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Old 07-02-2015, 05:11 PM
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The only MOBA I've played is a bit of Vainglory on IOS. I'm tempted by LOL and DOTA, but the huge knowledge barrier, and notoriously asshole-laden community, keep me away. I think I'll give this one a shot.
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Old 07-02-2015, 05:29 PM
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I haven't played league yet, but I've ran into some killers. Ilidian and Zeratul are both heroes that have a high skill cap. When I play the latter I'm dependent on my team. By that I mean, if my team isn't working together I'm not doing great. But if we fire on all cylinders I'll completely wreck the other team.
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Old 07-05-2015, 05:41 PM
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I've had a chance to play a few AI matches (haven't had time for a Quick Match yet) with Muradin and the currently free shooty guy...Raynor? So far I've either done very well or terribly, not much middle ground. Not having to worry about money and buying some arcane combination of equipment is VERY VERY nice.
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Old 07-05-2015, 05:50 PM
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I just got into this game thanks to some old college buddies who invited me to join their group. So far I've been playing mostly as Muradin as part of their team, and winning about half the time in Quick Matches. Lots of fun, and I like that each match is pretty short (usually less than 20 minutes).

Like so many multiplayer games, I know that playing a few hours a week will mean I'll never be particularly competitive, but that's okay with me. I don't plan to spend any money, and for now I don't plan to play with any other characters besides Muradin (gonna try and get really good with him). Hopefully I have enough coins from playing to "purchase" him when he stops being free without using real money.
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Old 07-05-2015, 07:38 PM
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Daily quests will pay you enough to get about one cheap hero per week. You can also get an additional 100 gold per day right now from treasure goblins, however long those will last. And there are also gold rewards for leveling up, both overall and with individual characters.

What you probably want to do is use the free heroes of the week to complete quests, and try to get one or two of them to level 5 each week. Whenever you're working on a general quest like "win three games", or your preferred hero meets the quest criteria, play your preferred character.

Ultimately, I'd like to buy enough heroes that I can quest any combination of role and franchise at once (to the extent possible: Starcraft currently has no warriors, and Diablo currently has no support). But meanwhile, there are plenty of characters I haven't even tried yet, so I want to mostly wait before buying anyone. Except for Nazeebo, who I did, because throwing exploding frogs never goes out of style.
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So, is it just me, or are talents to increase mana/mana regen all useless? It seems like all of the classes that get access to them all have more than enough already. I know that when playing Li Li, Nazeebo, and Gazlowe so far, I've spammed all of my abilities as much as I can, and I still only get "Not enough mana" perhaps once per game, even without any of the mana-boosting talents.
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Ok, so I'm getting a bit bored of Hearthstone, so I decided to try out MOBAs. Basically, getting sick of card drawing RNG. MOBAs seem to be more skill based, HOTS is free and seems to be more noob friendly than LoL, so here I am!



I'm not having fun yet though. Is this normal? For reference, I used to play Street Fighter and a W+M1 Pyro in TF2, so I'm not totally opposed to action type games, but I'm just kinda lost here. Does it get better once I "get good" or something?
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Ok, so I'm getting a bit bored of Hearthstone, so I decided to try out MOBAs. Basically, getting sick of card drawing RNG. MOBAs seem to be more skill based, HOTS is free and seems to be more noob friendly than LoL, so here I am!



I'm not having fun yet though. Is this normal? For reference, I used to play Street Fighter and a W+M1 Pyro in TF2, so I'm not totally opposed to action type games, but I'm just kinda lost here. Does it get better once I "get good" or something?
How many games have you played and how many heroes have you tried out?
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2-3 games of Raynor (AI and quick match) and one of muradin.

I lost both my quick matches of course. Had no idea what I was doing, or supposed to be doing
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2-3 games of Raynor (AI and quick match) and one of muradin.

I lost both my quick matches of course. Had no idea what I was doing, or supposed to be doing
Oh, so there are two distinct phases to the game.

The first is the laning phase. Your job is to kill AI minions. That gets your team experience points which help you level up. After about level 10 or so is when more team fights happen. Win those and don't die.

Throughout all of this you'll have an objective: turn in gems, get the tribute, whatever. Do that. And don't die.

One thing to remember is mostly do what your team does. If 4 are attacking a boss, no matter how stupid of an idea it is, help them out.

And don't die.

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Old 07-07-2015, 01:21 PM
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Don't give up on it after only a couple heros. They can have very different playstyles. I don't like either Raynor or Muradin. (Well, Muradin's maybe okay.)

Your initial plays are going to be somewhat crippled because you can't build all abilities. Sometimes, you won't unlock all the good abilities until you're level 4 on a hero (or lvl 25[?] overall).

Reading guides can help understand how a hero is generally played, but don't let that pin you in too much. Maybe you have a knack for Tyr damage builds rather than healing or you have a better healer in Malfurion already, so you can build for damage. But it's still good to know how to generally play her when starting.
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And some games, you're just going to be screwed by luck of the draw. How do you assign lanes when you've got three healer supports, one assassin, and one specialist? One of the lanes is going to end up with nothing but a healer with nobody to heal, and then the other two will fall like dominoes.
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And some games, you're just going to be screwed by luck of the draw. How do you assign lanes when you've got three healer supports, one assassin, and one specialist? One of the lanes is going to end up with nothing but a healer with nobody to heal, and then the other two will fall like dominoes.
There is some luck involved, but for the record the software ensures that the two sides are to a great extent equally matched. If one side has three supports*, the other side will as well, for example.

I don't know all the ins and outs of it but basically there's just a subset of possible combinations that are allowed to be matched against each other in Quick Match.

*I actually don't think 3 supports are allowed on a QM team in any matchup, but I could be wrong.
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Old 07-07-2015, 08:26 PM
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Played some Patches (or was that Stitches?) last night, had a much better time. I can see myself really getting into this if I had the "right" hero.

Any advice on which hero to read up on? I have poor aiming, so I'm not really into skillshots. My thing in TF was playing pyro, taking alternate routes behind people and lighting them up, stickybomb demo, and Engineer. All super low clicking/aiming type classes, that rely more on positioning and awareness.

I don't mind support either, but I tried Malfurion last night, and I was actually having trouble targetting my own teammates for the heals. That was kind of embarrassing.
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Old 07-07-2015, 10:51 PM
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If you hate aiming, and want to support, Li-Li is really easy. Three of her four abilities, including her heroic ability, auto-target, and the fourth can target any hero, including herself, with about the same effect. She's also one of the cheap heroes.

I expect, though, that her usefulness is seriously diminished at higher skill levels.
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I've heard good things about Lili from The Angry Chicken Podcast (Hearthstone podcast that seems to talk more about HOTS than not). The other one I was thinking of was Brightwing.

I'm not looking to go high level in this game, I think. Don't have the twitch or the time to do that any more, I'm just looking to have fun, capture the old W+M1 rush for when the slow methodical play of Hearthstone isn't what I'm looking for.
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I've heard good things about Lili from The Angry Chicken Podcast (Hearthstone podcast that seems to talk more about HOTS than not). The other one I was thinking of was Brightwing.

I'm not looking to go high level in this game, I think. Don't have the twitch or the time to do that any more, I'm just looking to have fun, capture the old W+M1 rush for when the slow methodical play of Hearthstone isn't what I'm looking for.
Both Lili and BW have unaimed heals. Lili heals the ally that needs the most healing in her range, and BW heals all nearby allies every few seconds for less. Both rely heavily on positioning properly. BW isn't good at healing the front line heroes as Lili, but his offensive options are a little better. I'm not a good support player, but they're two of my favorite supports.

Of the two, I prefer Lili, but BW does aim-free healing. One of his ultimates is an aimed heal, so it's not all standing around looking pretty for BW though. BW's other abilities are targeted (AoE damage, ally buff, enemy CC). I feel that BW has a steeper learning curve because of his teleporting heal and the lag in the AoE. That said, I think he's more fun to play.
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Old 07-09-2015, 10:13 PM
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I went and bought Lili last night, she's only 2000 gold so hey!

I have to say, that game was the most fun I'd had in the game. It really felt like TF2 medic, learning how to position yourself, blocking for the squishies, spamming those heals without aiming. Perfect.

That dragon spirit thing seems rather useless though. Does it actually do any damage worth the mana? I just gave up on that thing after a while. It doesn't even slow or anything.
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Old 07-10-2015, 05:10 PM
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Lili is an awesome character. I play her quite a bit.

The dragon spirit is just about worthless UNLESS you focus on it. My go-to Lili build is actually a psuedo-dps setup. I start with the mana regen at level 1, but then focus on the dragon buffs. By level 16, you can cast two dragons that have healing, bouncing attacks. It's actually a respectable amount of damage and, more importantly, an unexpected amount of damage in teamfights. I also go for the dragon ult rather than the healing one.

This build can piss off teammates when they realize that you aren't going full-on healbot, but I enjoy it WAY more and I think it's more effective on the whole.
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Old 07-10-2015, 10:35 PM
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Even if the dragon is nearly worthless, you might as well cast it anyway, because you probably have the mana to spare even with spamming your other abilities. It's not a ton of damage, but every little bit helps.
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Old 07-11-2015, 05:53 PM
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I'm digging Raynor because he's simple enough that even I can play him well. His abilities basically translate to "shoot stuff," "shoot one big thing," "shoot things faster somehow," and "summon aircraft to shoot things for you." I also really like the bribery ability, and have had fun (and some success) playing a warlord type. Grab Hyperion if you want to be a weapon of mass destruction, or the Banshees to make one enemy hero's life miserable.

I'm much, MUCH better with ranged than melee.
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Ok, so I just found out that teaming with friends gets you bonus xp. So add me! TabbyNat#1285. I'm a noob, and I'm on the other side of the world, but hey, maybe it'll work.
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Old 07-12-2015, 05:31 PM
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Grabbed LiLi because she's cheap and I get to be a panda that throws drinks at people to heal them and she's dirt simple to play. My rough flowchart:

1. Grab the Mana Regeneration passive at level 1.
2. If Sylvanas is on your team: stick to her like a vinyl car seat on a humid day, hit "q" often, watch her own face.
3. Otherwise, stay near your allies, hit "q" often, occasionally attack for shits and giggles.
4. If the game runs long enough, grab that talent that doubles your heals.
5. Watch your team win and be totally unappreciated for it.

I'm sure there are subtle elements that I'm missing, but that seems to handle the broad outlines very well.
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The one thing is quibble with you about is the idea that healers shouldn't or don't need to also be attacking. This is to artificially reduce your contribution.
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E is actually a LOT of damage mitigation, blind is awesome. I've saved many people (including myself!) by timing that E.

That, and Shrink Ray. Good for saving your teammates, good for ganking people trying to run.

I tried making a full cloud dragon build, but it's still kinda underwhelming to me.
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The one thing is quibble with you about is the idea that healers shouldn't or don't need to also be attacking. This is to artificially reduce your contribution.
Sorry, I meant most of that post with tongue firmly planted in cheek. Completely agree that supports should be attacking when appropriate, and that the blind ability is a solid addition. After all, damage that doesn't happen is essentially healing that doesn't have to happen.
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Old 07-12-2015, 10:27 PM
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Sorry, I meant most of that post with tongue firmly planted in cheek. Completely agree that supports should be attacking when appropriate, and that the blind ability is a solid addition. After all, damage that doesn't happen is essentially healing that doesn't have to happen.
Heh, I've had experienced in game like asking malfurion why he didn't finish someone off and the reply being "I'm a healer you idiot." Guess your post triggered trauma from that.
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Old 07-12-2015, 10:40 PM
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Well, to be fair, that could be parsed as "Well, I tried to finish him off, but being a healer, I have low DPS, and so he was able to get away".
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Old 07-12-2015, 11:09 PM
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No, in the case I'm taking about her didn't try... The guy just strolled right by him...
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Old 07-13-2015, 08:49 AM
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At least root him if possible.

I've always liked game characters who were really "support", who maybe had some healing but focused on buffs and/or debuffs. Like Radiation Defenders in City of Heroes. Sure, I can heal you, sort of, sometimes. But instead how about if I make sure all our enemies are vomiting up the linings of their digestive tracts? Rehgar looks like a good choice for that, or Brightwing.
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Old 07-13-2015, 09:38 AM
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At least root him if possible.

I've always liked game characters who were really "support", who maybe had some healing but focused on buffs and/or debuffs. Like Radiation Defenders in City of Heroes. Sure, I can heal you, sort of, sometimes. But instead how about if I make sure all our enemies are vomiting up the linings of their digestive tracts? Rehgar looks like a good choice for that, or Brightwing.
If you want non-support support Tassadar is a good pick. He gets the option to take "healing wand," which kinda sucks, but his focus is giving shields and providing vision. He should really be classified as a "specialist."
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