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Old 10-06-2019, 05:45 PM
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Oddly, it's the whole state, although they also specify cities. It's weird and seems random although I bet employer friendly state laws may drive it.

Here's the complete list, by the way:

Alabama
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Ohio
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Texas
Las Vegas
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Portland,OR
Utah

See? Mostly other crappy, hot, muggy places. I'm trying to get away from that.
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Old 10-06-2019, 06:06 PM
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If you work in Oregon and live in Washington you still pay Oregon income taxes--Vancouver WA is a bedroom community of Portland and I think the income tax is in lieu of a traffic congestion tax because dayum, the commute to and from Clark County WA sucks aaaaallll the ass. I used to live in Portland and work in Vancouver so I had a backwards commute and looking over at the opposing lanes on the bridge was enough to give me heebie jeebies. Now I work from home and the worst traffic I face on my commute is the dogs bunching up by my feet when I'm trying to get them out the door for their morning potty break.

Portland has some spendy rent, not gonna lie, but if you work from home you have the option of living in an outlying community that's not quite so expensive. The rents are coming down though so there's that. Might mean we're heading for a recession again but Portland weathered the last one pretty well.

Weed we got. Read an article recently that says that in the Portland metro area nobody's more than 750 meters from a dispensary. I believe it, too, the little diner down the street where I've been having the occasional breakfast for the last 20 years is now a weed shop and a strip club a few blocks up went out of business and is now also a weed shop. It's getting a little out of hand, I'm thinking. People also need breakfast and nekkid wimmens, y'know. Harumph.

I just helped a friend do househunting who moved from Colorado to The Dalles for a job. That was fun, snooping apartments and rooms to rent without having to actually move myself. Lot cheaper out that way too. Probably a little too far out from the city for your job to okay.

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Hey SmartAleq, it's been a while since I've been to Portland, in fact last time was mumble decades ago when we moved Gma from LaGrande to Deer Island. Can you give any insight to living costs etc for that area?

Hey Purplehorseshoe, what sort of emviroment do you want to move to? Coastal/near the Columbia River lush and green and wetter? A little drier, a little hotter in the summer sorta in sorta not the Columbia River Gorge (The Dalles). I know you said you have a friend already in Portland, other than that, is there anything that limits you to that place? Oregon covers a lot of different areas from flat central, hilly bordering on mountains eastern to the coastal areas (Eugene has a reputation for being a snotty and arrogant college town btw)
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Old 10-06-2019, 08:28 PM
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Good question. I'll ask H.R. to clarify. See, their list specified Portland, so I dunno. Do suburbs nearby count? Lemme see if I can get details this week.
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Head straight west on 40, you'll cross the divide and not even know it, go thru Vegas and up to Portland. Easy drive. Not a lot of hairy mountains.
And hey, feel free to stop in Las Vegas. Don't gamble tho; we don't build these big casinos because people win.
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You could put stuff in a self storage unit and leave it behind. That way you aren't stuck with all your stuff while you look for a new apartment. After you get settled in the new location you can drive back to sort it out (decide what to ship and what to throw away), or take a flight or Greyhound back and carry stuff in a u-haul.

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You could put stuff in a self storage unit and leave it behind. That way you aren't stuck with all your stuff while you look for a new apartment. After you get settled in the new location you can drive back to sort it out (decide what to ship and what to throw away), or take a flight or Greyhound back and carry stuff in a u-haul.
Or, if needed, just abandon it. At least for a while, there was Storage Wars: Texas on TV. Just don't leave your molotovs and your goat porn in the unit.
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Prices and things are different here, but I wouldn't go for self storage. Unless it's fancy, high end stuff this will very quickly (on the order of a month or two) end up being more expensive than simply replacing with new / used.

If you do go the u-haul and car-trailer option, remember that the car needs to be tied down. If you've never done it, you'll need help with this.

We moved from Asia back to New Zealand, ended up getting a full 20' container + delivery to our house for only marginally more (about 15%) than it would have cost to replace a piano we had. So do think about this if you have large items that are similarly important / difficult to replace.
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I have a list of all my medium-large items written out to help me think. Anything bigger than, say, a lamp.

I have a bunch of side tables, a large and a small chest of drawers, a bookcase and nightstand, medium sized flat screen TV and a desktop computer, a kitchen hutch (that easily comes apart into thirds) a wooden armoire and some miscellaneous shelf thingies. I'm ditching the couch and loveseat, and frankly my mattress isn't worth moving.

I'm considering one of those "try free for 90 days!" for the mattress, esp. since I'm kinda interested in trying the Purple Mattress anyway. Buys me a couple months.

Haven't decided about the bed frame yet, and I don't mind a mattress on the floor for a while.

Finally, there are two glass tanks (my ball python and corn snake) and around a dozen of those 65-quart plastic storage tubs, except these house my African soft-furred rats, which I breed to feed said snakes and also just as a general hobby and side hustle.

Plus clothes and kitchenware. Not terribly much of either.

There's always more stuff than you think (I've packed and moved a LOT) but I think it would fit into a medium U-haul, especially with neither a couch nor a mattress to consider.
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Will your car flat tow so you don't have to try to haul it on a trailer? Or do you have a PDX friend you could fly out to be your second driver?

Portland is definitely not the cheapest city to live in for sure. Housing is very spendy--my daughter just lucked out and scored the house next door to rent on a sweetheart neighbor deal and for a small 2 bedroom (around 750 SF or so?) with a 10x10 uninsulated storage shed and a goodsized yard shared with an ADU they're paying $1300 per month, and this is out in SE which is considered to be a low class area of town. As you go closer in it gets even spendier so in downtown proper you could spend that same $1300 on a studio loft. Get out of the downtown area and it gets more reasonable--such as the aforementioned SE and also NE on the east side of I-205, Gresham, Hillsboro and Forest Grove you can get a lot more for your money.

If you're looking to buy bring your checkbook and your stellar credit rating because house prices are pretty crazy. There are deals to be had but you'd better be ready to DIY and cope with some adverse site influences. Lotta homeless people in Portland, gets super rasty downtown but there's a lot out here in SE along the bike paths and ODOT rights of way. It's complicated.

We have great food and our cart scene is first rate. I really like living in a city where I can be out in wilderness in a half hour and can have my kayak on the water in the same time frame. Any one of a million places to hike and boat, we're definitely spoiled for choice here. SAD is a thing here on the wet side, but if it's driving you batshit you can drive a hundred miles east and be in sunny, cold high desert or go a hundred miles west and sit next to the ocean to be mopey. People in Portland make a point of going to the coast whenever there's a major storm, just to enjoy the crazy surf and get beat up by rain. We're weird that way.

For all that my city drives me buggy sometimes I really can't think of another state I'd rather live in. I recently drove from Ontario OR to Portland on highway 26 and I spent half the drive with my jaw dropped at the amazing scenery and huge, busy sky. Heals the soul, that does.
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:31 PM
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... just looked around a bit more.

I will cop to having a lot of miscellaneous smaller stuff: boxes of photographs and CDs (yeah, I know, I'm a dinosaur) beading and candlemaking supplies, my Cooks Illustrated and Cooks Country magazines. Cigar boxes. Small mirrors. Maaaybe a hundred or so books.

A lot of this supports various little hobbies and pastimes, so I'm loathe to jettison that and then find myself in a strange city, not knowing a soul .. and no way to occupy my time.

But again, no super large or heavy furniture items.
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Old 10-06-2019, 11:35 PM
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I will definitely be renting. Ideally a small house with a little yard, and I'm o.k. with being out in the boonies or even a semi-shady area if it makes rent affordable.

I'd much prefer a house or duplex, instead of an apartment. Is that gonna be a pipe dream? Coming from Tx I've already got sticker shock at housing costs.

What are the names or zip codes of the cheaper areas? I'm not saying ghetto, but .. where's semi-ghetto?
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Outer southeast and northeast, so east of I-205 is a more low rent part of town, lots of small houses on small lots, not a ton of apartments. Rockwood is the belt that divides Portland from Gresham, SE 181st is the dividing line and east of that is Rockwood out to maybe 202nd or so, then Gresham starts after that. Going further east you have Sandy and Troutdale, go a bit further south of that and you're in Estacada, Boring, Damascus--more rural areas of town but possible to find something you like. On the west side it stays spendy for quite a while but if you go up the Columbia river you can find some less expensive housing in St Helens, Scappoose and Rainier. Go south from there and Hillsboro, Forest Grove, Laurel, Cornelius, Gaston, Newberg, McMinnville, Wilsonville are all areas you can scout out. It really depends on if you prefer to be in a denser population area or like the semi-rural to rural areas.

You can also look over in Vancouver, Camas, Washougal in Washington--tends to be a bit less spendy. Longview is pretty far out there but dirt cheap comparatively speaking.

I would say that if you can swing $1500/month for rent you should be able to score a small house or a duplex no problem. If you're expecting to pay much less than that, you're likely going to have to settle for an apartment.
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Ah, HR requirements, thats a shame Purple. There is a ton of stuff that those of us that live in the region are quite proud of. You say you're not especially outgoing, is that because you're not interested or because the climate in TX is uncomfortable, or some other reason. I ask because in my bit of the Northwest (pacific northwest is a smaller more well known part of Northwest btw coastal/western WA and OR) outdoor recreation is...almost at the level that football is in other places for popularity.

Once up here and settled, if you ever decide you want to spend a few days exploring the state, I live at the other end (basically) and would be willing to offer a place to sleep and eat.


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Will your car flat tow so you don't have to try to haul it on a trailer? Or do you have a PDX friend you could fly out to be your second driver?

Portland is definitely not the cheapest city to live in for sure. Housing is very spendy--my daughter just lucked out and scored the house next door to rent on a sweetheart neighbor deal and for a small 2 bedroom (around 750 SF or so?) with a 10x10 uninsulated storage shed and a goodsized yard shared with an ADU they're paying $1300 per month, and this is out in SE which is considered to be a low class area of town. As you go closer in it gets even spendier so in downtown proper you could spend that same $1300 on a studio loft. Get out of the downtown area and it gets more reasonable--such as the aforementioned SE and also NE on the east side of I-205, Gresham, Hillsboro and Forest Grove you can get a lot more for your money.

If you're looking to buy bring your checkbook and your stellar credit rating because house prices are pretty crazy. There are deals to be had but you'd better be ready to DIY and cope with some adverse site influences. Lotta homeless people in Portland, gets super rasty downtown but there's a lot out here in SE along the bike paths and ODOT rights of way. It's complicated.

We have great food and our cart scene is first rate. I really like living in a city where I can be out in wilderness in a half hour and can have my kayak on the water in the same time frame. Any one of a million places to hike and boat, we're definitely spoiled for choice here. SAD is a thing here on the wet side, but if it's driving you batshit you can drive a hundred miles east and be in sunny, cold high desert or go a hundred miles west and sit next to the ocean to be mopey. People in Portland make a point of going to the coast whenever there's a major storm, just to enjoy the crazy surf and get beat up by rain. We're weird that way.

For all that my city drives me buggy sometimes I really can't think of another state I'd rather live in. I recently drove from Ontario OR to Portland on highway 26 and I spent half the drive with my jaw dropped at the amazing scenery and huge, busy sky. Heals the soul, that does.
26, that's the central route that takes you through John Day and Prairie City? That is lovely, bit scary in the winter driving a 14 foot van before the plows get out, but I will say this for Oregon, they do not fool around with keeping roads plowed sanded and whatnot during the snow season.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:20 AM
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I wanna be outside! It's one of the myriad reasons I want to move out of Dallas. It's too damn hot to do ANYTHING outside, for months straight.

In fact, I forgot one more set of items to pack: I have camping gear including a nice tent, that My Othet Shoe got a couple years before he died. We only got to use it a couple or three times together. But I still have it.

Fuck camping in 95+ sticky heat. I love tent camping, though, so hellz yeah I wanna start doing outdoorsy things!

I've quietly wanted to adopt a retired greyhound for a long time now, and fantasize about taking long, leisurely walks together without sweating like a whore in church.
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Old 10-07-2019, 02:43 AM
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I have a bunch of side tables, a large and a small chest of drawers, a bookcase and nightstand, medium sized flat screen TV and a desktop computer, a kitchen hutch (that easily comes apart into thirds) a wooden armoire and some miscellaneous shelf thingies. I'm ditching the couch and loveseat, and frankly my mattress isn't worth moving.
Ditch them all and buy a laptop. They're as cheap as chips nowadays. You can always buy misc furniture when you find somewhere to live.

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I'm considering one of those "try free for 90 days!" for the mattress, esp. since I'm kinda interested in trying the Purple Mattress anyway. Buys me a couple months.

Haven't decided about the bed frame yet, and I don't mind a mattress on the floor for a while.
Good idea. Bedframes are cheap too.

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Finally, there are two glass tanks (my ball python and corn snake) and around a dozen of those 65-quart plastic storage tubs, except these house my African soft-furred rats, which I breed to feed said snakes and also just as a general hobby and side hustle.
Do you know someone who would care for your snakes or could you donate them to a sanctuary or wildlife centre? I think it's mad to be considering taking pets when you don't yet have somewhere to live. But whatever.

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Take as much clothing as will fit into a small carry-on on an airplane. You'd be surprised at how much stuff you have that you don't need. Kitchenware can be gotten for supercheap at Goodwill stores. Take a thermos and a cup, plate and bowl. And some cutlery and decent knives. Less washing up that way too.

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There's always more stuff than you think (I've packed and moved a LOT) but I think it would fit into a medium U-haul, especially with neither a couch nor a mattress to consider.
Seriously, the cost of moving your stuff across country will be vastly more than the cost of replacing essential stuff. And I swear, not being tied to material possessions that aren't necessary for my wellbeing, has been incredibly liberating.

Just do it fer' gawdsakes.
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I wanna be outside! It's one of the myriad reasons I want to move out of Dallas. It's too damn hot to do ANYTHING outside, for months straight.

In fact, I forgot one more set of items to pack: I have camping gear including a nice tent, that My Othet Shoe got a couple years before he died. We only got to use it a couple or three times together. But I still have it.

Fuck camping in 95+ sticky heat. I love tent camping, though, so hellz yeah I wanna start doing outdoorsy things!

I've quietly wanted to adopt a retired greyhound for a long time now, and fantasize about taking long, leisurely walks together without sweating like a whore in church.
Bring the camping gear, use the moving survival kit list, do what everyone else is saying and ditch the furniture (excepting pet items of course) but definately bring the camp gear. Camping is god up here. As I understand it, WA requires a paid permit to go camping. I understand the reasons why but emotionally its still a WTF thing for me. No idea about OR, last time I was camping there, I was a kid. ID has so much BLM and National Forest land that you can go pretty much anywhere you want, for pretty much how long you want, and you only have to pay for developed campsites (firepits tables outhouse style toilets) and some of the parks and monuments(parks monuments and developed sites often require reservations during peak season)
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Well, shit, in that case, who needs an apartment anyway?
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Old 10-07-2019, 08:55 AM
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I would head to Ohio. I'm from the Midwest and appreciate 4 seasons. Winter can be nasty but only for a few days. I don't know much about specific Ohio cities but college towns are cheaper, quieter, and if weed isn't legal in Ohio, things a bit more lax in a college town. College towns also have furnished apartments for rent which would negate you having to move furniture. Of course, avoid whatever city The Ohio State University is in, and stay away from Lake Erie.
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Head straight west on 40, you'll cross the divide and not even know it, go thru Vegas and up to Portland. Easy drive. Not a lot of hairy mountains.
Check yer map. I-40 does NOT go through Vegas.

Take I-40 to where it ends (technically where it begins) to Barstow. Then take I-15 South to San Bernardino, then take I-10 West to LA. Pick up I-5 North, and keep going to Portland, Oregon.


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A very good friend of mine did exactly what you are contemplating several years ago.

Backstory: said friend--we'll call her "Jane"--and her husband moved East from SCal so her husband could get his PhD from a big name school. After he got the degree, he became a professor there.

Fast forward twent-some years. Her husband became extremely disabled, and because he didn't have tenure, he was discharged. Jane had been a stay at home housewife (no kids) and she re-entered the work force with a retail job.

They were hideously behind with their bills. Her husband had chronic, severe pain, brittle Diabetes, and other disabilities. Jane went to work at her retail job one day. She arrived to a big meeting, where Management told everyone the store was closing, and nobody had a job any more.

She drove home to find the County Coroner parked on her front lawn. Her husband had saved up his pain pills, and took his own life.

She got in touch with me in AZ, barely coherent. I told her she was coming to live with me. I said if everything there was simply too much of a mess for her to handle, she was to just walk out the front door, get to the airport, and I'd have a plane ticket waiting for her.

She put on her Big Girl Shoes and liquidated everything she had, except for the few items she could cram in her car. She brought her sewing machines, sewing projects, shoes, clothes, some books, her professional model Kitchen Aid mixer, and other miscellany. I plotted out a route for her to drive, made all motel reservations for her, and she arrived safely in AZ.

Purple, sometimes Life dumps on you. And it can be easier to just leave the mess than trying to clean it all up into something you can live with. I'm sorry you don't have a VOW at your destination to give you a hand.

Decide where you want to go. Do a list of pros and cons, and also let your heart weigh in.

Decide when you want to go. Don't go in winter. Just. Don't.

Liquidate EVERYTHING. You will have enough to occupy your mind with navigating freeways and ramps and big trucks without trying to handle a U-Haul trailer. Take your clothes, some kitchen stuff, electronics, and ABSOLUTELY your favorite pillow.

Plan your route carefully. Decide how many miles (or how many hours) you want to drive per day. Make reservations at motels adjacent to the freeway (trust me on that one).

Have somewhere to stay at your destination.

All of this will take a LOT of research. Talk to people. Take suggestions.

Good luck on your adventure!


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26, that's the central route that takes you through John Day and Prairie City? That is lovely, bit scary in the winter driving a 14 foot van before the plows get out, but I will say this for Oregon, they do not fool around with keeping roads plowed sanded and whatnot during the snow season.
That's the one, and Prairie City was right where my jaw dropped. We left Ontario just after a good rainy spell and it was mostly dry the whole way back but the mountains above PC were dusted with new snow and the clouds were shredding themselves all over the mountains as huge shafts of sunlight lit up the green fields. Just wow. All the way back I noticed that I was going 15-20 minutes between seeing other cars--that is not a well travelled route this time of year, obviously. I will be exploring that area a lot more in future--my daughter and son in law and I have been thinking of going in together on a piece of land to see how self sufficient we can get and boy howdy does that look like a place where such a thing might be possible. Bet the growing season is a bit short though--gonna need a few greenhouses.

If you're going to travel into Portland in winter, I-84 is the major route in and out and probably the safest choice if it gets snowy. I-5 north is fine until you hit the Siskiyous then the twisty bits coupled with some good sized summits and the truck traffic turn it into a white knuckle adventure--if there's going to be weather I duck off in Northern California and take 97 up through Klamath Falls because it's straight as an arrow, the snow is drier and there's a lot more room to steer off the road safely if things go pear shaped. I usually then come up 58 to Eugene and rejoin I-5 after the scary parts. Or over 22 into Salem, that's a very well plowed and maintained road too.

Good advice here about leaving most of your shit behind--have an epic garage sale, then use that money to go thrift shopping once you're here. IKEA mattresses are cheap and super comfortable and the bed frames likewise. Only bring pets, pet stuff, camping gear (very replaceable, of course, but it's spendy) hobby stuff if it's unusual or small enough not to make a big difference and your kitchen essentials. A lot of your clothes won't be suitable up here--tank top season is about three months long and I bet you don't have anything wool at all, but you'll need it once you're here.

One way to stage things would be to drive the Honda here and go house shopping and once you have a place secured, fly back and bring a smaller truck with just what you really need and want to bring. You'll have driven the route already so it won't be as scary and a smallish box truck isn't really all that hard to handle--but a truck towing a car definitely IS.
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Check yer map. I-40 does NOT go through Vegas.

Take I-40 to where it ends (technically where it begins) to Barstow. Then take I-15 South to San Bernardino, then take I-10 West to LA. Pick up I-5 North, and keep going to Portland, Oregon.


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Just curious ... why go that way instead of 58 to Bakersfield via Tehachapi?
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Just curious ... why go that way instead of 58 to Bakersfield via Tehachapi?

That works too.

58 is a secondary road, plus it cuts through some very rural country, with few services. If Purple decides to go this Winter, there could be a snow flake or three that won't be cleared right away.

Snow is horrible trouble at Gorman on I-5, but there are plows and CHP escorts. Plus if push comes to shove, there will be plenty of company by the wayside until the pass is cleared.


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... just looked around a bit more.

I will cop to having a lot of miscellaneous smaller stuff: boxes of photographs and CDs (yeah, I know, I'm a dinosaur) beading and candlemaking supplies, my Cooks Illustrated and Cooks Country magazines. Cigar boxes. Small mirrors. Maaaybe a hundred or so books.

A lot of this supports various little hobbies and pastimes, so I'm loathe to jettison that and then find myself in a strange city, not knowing a soul .. and no way to occupy my time.

But again, no super large or heavy furniture items.
I've moved a hundred or so books at a time a few different ways and have found the least stressful, cheapest way to do it is Medial Mail via the postal service. Just reinforce the boxes at their corners and seams like mad. They'll take about a week to get to your new place (or friend's house if you don't have an new address yet).
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Check yer map. I-40 does NOT go through Vegas.

Take I-40 to where it ends (technically where it begins) to Barstow. Then take I-15 South to San Bernardino, then take I-10 West to LA. Pick up I-5 North, and keep going to Portland, Oregon.


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Purple, if you take this route you'll be going right by my house in southern Oregon -- near Roseburg. Give me a heads-up and I'll treat you to lunch before you take the last leg up into Portland.

Oregon in general and Portland specifically is wonderful. I'd love to return to Portland (I took my BA from Portland State), there's so much to do and see and the people are wonderful. Lots of Starbucks-sipping, Subaru-driving hipsters, but that's ok. I loved it.
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We have furniture here! You don't need to bring your own! I'm another one in favor of ditching it. It's way too much trouble and so replaceable. I'm sure you could find decent furniture for what you'd pay for the truck, trailer, and gas. If/when I move out of this area, the only furniture I'm taking is a small cabinet my dad made for me when I was a kid.

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Old 10-07-2019, 08:11 PM
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Finally, there are two glass tanks (my ball python and corn snake) and around a dozen of those 65-quart plastic storage tubs, except these house my African soft-furred rats, which I breed to feed said snakes and also just as a general hobby and side hustle.
If those need to be heated/air conditioned/tended to during the trip, then that's a very serious moving issue... you're going to need a good-sized van of some sort. Plus towing your car, which a van might not be able to do, and not a lot of room left over for your furniture...
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Old 10-07-2019, 08:50 PM
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Purple, if you take this route you'll be going right by my house in southern Oregon -- near Roseburg. Give me a heads-up and I'll treat you to lunch before you take the last leg up into Portland.
Hey, I've driven through there once, couple of years ago on my way back to Boise after delivering some household goods in Medford. It was a day trip and no way was I going back the way I came at night(the very dreary boring southern route)

Ethilrist has a good point that I hadn't thought of. Would the reptiles just go into a state of torpor or hibernation? How do you move reptiles?
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Old 10-07-2019, 11:49 PM
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One way to stage things would be to drive the Honda here and go house shopping and once you have a place secured, fly back and bring a smaller truck with just what you really need and want to bring. You'll have driven the route already so it won't be as scary and a smallish box truck isn't really all that hard to handle--but a truck towing a car definitely IS.
I like this idea!
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Nah, the snakes won't be hard. Their tanks will be emptied (well, refilled with sweaters or something) and each snake gets tied inside a well-knotted pillow case. Put 'em inside something hard-sided and sturdy for protection, then onto the floorboards of the passenger side, with the floor heater on. Maybe with one or two of those hand warmers that skiiers tuck into their mittens.

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I would say that if you can swing $1500/month for rent you should be able to score a small house or a duplex no problem. If you're expecting to pay much less than that, you're likely going to have to settle for an apartment.
Ah, well, fuck me, then. Mine is not a glamorous job, but it IS full time, and that is .. close to my monthly take-home pay after taxes.

I knew a cute bungalow with a garden was probably not gonna happen right the fuck away, and I knew my current state has lower costs of living than many others, but that's more than a wrinkle, that presents a serious fucking problem.

Crap, I wonder how shitty of a craphole imma have to settle for?
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:30 AM
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Voice of reason here:

Daydreaming about moving to a beautiful area like the PNW is fun, but if your monthly take-home is $1500, that is one of the last places you should be considering. I've moved from DFW to Seattle, and it isn't a little more expensive -- it's a LOT more. I only went because my pay was (literally) doubled from what I made here, and I only stayed a few years to build up investments/savings and my resume. Once I got a similar salary offer elsewhere, I was gone. IME, everything, from rent to food to gas was noticeably more costly.

Sorry, but unless your company is increasing your pay commensurate with the COL of the new area, you should either stay put (your best option) or consider an area with a lower COL than DFW.

Disclaimer: I'm assuming Portland and Seattle are similarly expensive compared to N Texas.

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It never occurred to me to ask about COL raises. I absolutely doubt it, but since I'm asking HR to clarify the city boundaries question anyway, it wouldn't hurt to ask.

The PNW wouldn't really be a top choice for me, except that it's on the short list for where my job is portable. Since we're ramping up significantly at work as the Holiday Season Approacheth (already getting mandatory O.T. by a few hours a week) I'm about to have very little free time, and no time off, paid or unpaid, until after New Year. Which is surprising unconducive to job hunting.
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Old 10-08-2019, 11:49 AM
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Oddly, it's the whole state, although they also specify cities. It's weird and seems random although I bet employer friendly state laws may drive it.

Here's the complete list, by the way:
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Utah

See? Mostly other crappy, hot, muggy places. I'm trying to get away from that.
You're right on 2 points - those are states w/ little protection for low wage workers and I'll bet the cities specified have a law that bucks the state minimum wage b/c it's higher than the federal one. I worked for Convergys/Concentrix and it's the same way or the same reasons; they pay 10.50/hr full time to work-at-home employees so will only hire where that's legal.
The other right thing is that Utah (I live there) can be hothothot. But muggy it is not. I'm in Northern Utah, just south of Ogden and the winters aren't bad at all. The summers can be miserable for going outside much but I know many people adjust to it.
Cannabis is only medically legal here so far, but w/ Nevada and Colorado flanking us, plenty of people get theirs w/ little trouble and its acceptance is growing.
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COL raises aside, current minimum wage in Portland metro is $12.50/hr, is that going to improve your wage situation any? I know wages in TX tend to be on the low side so it's possible this would actually be a good sized raise for you--of course the higher COL will take a bite outta that.

Share rentals are also a thing, renting a room or basement or ADU is also an option here. I'd get all over Craigslist and do some shopping--just keep in mind there are a lot of rental scams out there so if there's a rental that seems out of line for the area (use Zillow to check) I'd run the address through Google, make sure the scammers aren't pretending to be the owners of the house. My daughter just caught one of those christless fucks with my assistance--sometimes my long years of experience in the appraisal field come in handy.
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From the thread title I was thinking of "King of the Road":
Every time I see the thread title I want to sing "Movin' cross the country, gonna eat a lot of peaches..."

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I spent many years in west Texas (Lubbock & San Angelo) before moving to the Portland area....been here 28 years now, & don't see myself leaving by choice. I second the craigslist recommendation. Depending on where you'd be working in PDX, Clackamas County is a good bet for the most part, especially if you stay in the unincorporated areas. I found several shared living ads from $600 on up. I'm halfway between Sandy and Estacada & it's 30 minutes, plus or minus, to hit I-205, maybe 45 minutes to hit I-5 & I-84 interchange. 30 or 35 minutes up the hill to Mt Hood ski areas, if you're into that sort of thing.
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Advice from my personal move across country, many years ago now. I hope this isn't hopelessly outdated:

1.) I bought a trailer to haul my stuff. It was a very light trailer, a secondhand purchase, that I got because everyone assured me that my car wouldn't be able to pull a U-Haul. So I spent a lot of time fixing it up an getting it street-legal.

2.) I had already rented an apartment beforehand, just so I'd have a place to stay, even if it turnout out to be awful.

3.) I packed up a lot of my belongings and shipped them to myself, care of "General DElivery". That way, the Post Office wouldn't have to try and leave them at my apartment. Also, if my stuff got there ahead of me, the P.O. would hold onto it for x days (I don't recal how many). It was like getting free storage.

4.) Ship your books to yourself , paying "book rate" -- it's the cheapest way to do it, and better than hauling them yourself.

5.) Between Gary, Indiana and Lincoln, Nebraska I had six flat tires on my trailer, and then the trailer spring broke. I had to ditch iot in Lincoln. Fortunately, by making a LOT of phone calls to people advertising in the "sell your stuff" flyers, I found someone willing to buy it, even broken down.

6.) I rented a U-Haul. Fortunately, all those people who told me my car couldn't handle it were wrong. Otherwise, I'd have had to ship ma lot more stuff to "General DElivery", or abandon it.

7.) Turns out they were almost right, though. Crossing the Continental Divide I was inching along in first gear and barely moving. I was afraid I'd have to shift lower, and didn't know how I was going to do it. If I could have gotten out and pushed at the same time I drove, I woulda done it. Fortunately, I squeaked over the divide.

8.) Then it was literally downhill all the way. Which is scary. I learned what "Runaway truck lanes" are for. No accidents, though.

9.) Made it to my goal in Salt Lake City. Unpacked my U-Haul. Got my boxes out of General Delivery. Turned in my U-Haul. And the apartment wasn't bad, after all. I couldn't find anything better for the money, and stayed there the rest of my time in the city.
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A very good friend of mine did exactly what you are contemplating several years ago.
I'm so sorry to hear about what happened to your friend VOW. Can I ask, how did it turn out for her?
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Check yer map. I-40 does NOT go through Vegas.
No foolin', Rand McNally! Jump off the 40 in Kingman, avoid that mess of Southern Kalifornia.
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I'm so sorry to hear about what happened to your friend VOW. Can I ask, how did it turn out for her?
Thank you for your concern.

Mr VOW and I travel back and forth between our place in AZ and SCal where our kids (and grandkids) live.

Jane arrived in September. When December rolled around, we made our plans to return to SCal, Jane was given a choice to stay in AZ, or come with us. My son's wife, who had never met Jane, offered her guest room. (Mr VOW and I have a room at the Daughter's house.

I must interject here that I adore my daughter-in-law.

Mr VOW drove Jane over to my son and daughter-in-law's house. Jane walked in the front door and saw my grandson. He was about 18 months old at the time.

Jane fell in love with that little boy.

Jane now lives with my son and his family. She is Nana.

(Don't worry, I'm still Grandma!)

Jane receives a small check from her dead husband's Social Security, as a survivor's benefit, so she can take care of her own expenses. She contributes to the household, and is considered to be family.

Everyone is blessed by this arrangement.


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No foolin', Rand McNally! Jump off the 40 in Kingman, avoid that mess of Southern Kalifornia.
That part of the US is a whole LOT of nothing. In summer, it's potentially deadly.

A single woman driving alone needs a route with services available, beyond a canteen of water, a pith helmet, and a Bowie knife.


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One big drawback with towing anything behind you is that thieves target vehicles like that. My niece and her boyfriend found that out the hard way, when the cargo trailer they were hauling from Missouri to Alaska was stolen from the motel they were staying in in Kansas City. The trailer was found, but it was empty. If you do tow something, find a tamper-resistant hitch lock, similar to this one.

As for Portland, I agree with all of the above comments. We love living here, although traffic has become an unholy bitch and most long-time residents went to Bob's Pretty Good Driving Skool. Rents are VERY high, so if you can find a roomy, that would be helpful. Otherwise, you'll likely find yourself way out on the eastern part of the city. The good news is that public transit is very good. It does rain a lot in the rainy season, but then you're basically living in a temperate rain forest. There are a lot of days with sun breaks, though, especially in the afternoons. Summers are glorious, with brief spells of 90+ weather.
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As a general observation from all my centuries on Planet Earth, traffic NEVER EVER improves.

Traffic was reason one, two and three why we moved from SCal to NE AZ.


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PS Actually, traffic was reasons six, seven, eight, and nine, too.
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I'm late to the thread, sorry.

If you can work from home and just need to be able to get to Portland if necessary, you can live quite a ways outside of town and I think you won't have trouble finding your dream bungalow. We have a house down in Albany (South of Salem, near Corvallis where OSU is). I worked from there and was able to get to our offices in Eugene (further South) and to fly out of Portland on the regular.

I will also say that Oregon is amazing and if you like the outdoors, you will love it. Easy access to so many things: mountains, beaches, forests, rivers.

Regardless of where you end up going, after doing multiple cross-country moves, I say pack a POD with what you want to keep but don't need on hand. PODS or UBF (or other companies) have a variety of options and sizes. They'll store your stuff until you have a place for it. Then, you drive with your pets and your "must haves" and keep things as light as possible for you on the road. It's actually cheaper to do it this way than renting a truck and towing. It's also much less stressful.

Good luck and go for it! Remember, if you don't like it, you can make another change. You're not signing up in blood for this. If you end up hating it, you can leave. It's a beautiful part of the country, though. I think you'll enjoy it.
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If you can work from home and just need to be able to get to Portland if necessary, you can live quite a ways outside of town and I think you won't have trouble finding your dream bungalow. We have a house down in Albany (South of Salem, near Corvallis where OSU is). I worked from there and was able to get to our offices in Eugene (further South) and to fly out of Portland on the regular.
A cautionary note: I work in a business where I occasionally employ people that work from home. As a hypothetical example, if I said it was permissible for someone to work from Portland, that would not automatically include suburbs or nearby regions. It's about where we have the correct business license, tax setups, corporate structure, stuff like that (I have never cared to dig into all the whys). Our payroll tools have a spot to enter the address where the work takes place, and I have learned from hard experience that if I tell payroll someone is working in Portland (for example) and they end up working in Beaverton, I'm going to get a whole ration of shit.

That may not actually matter in this case, but I am suspicious that they identified some cities by name.
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No foolin', Rand McNally! Jump off the 40 in Kingman, avoid that mess of Southern Kalifornia.
Well, hopefully VOW, if it works out just right, I'll be going there to help if Purple needs and wants me too (it's my vacation, I'll work if I want to)

last time I took a trip around the Rockies, the ex-Mrs and I took that route. What I remember was a veerrrrrry long day of driving and at about 1100 pm looking down to my left at the headlights of the traffic ahead of me. I was tired and needed to pee which made the unexpectedness of it that much more unsettling.
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I re-read the thread.

If you would be working for the same COMPANY doing what you are doing now, talk to a boss or someone from HR.

Your company could very well PAY your moving expenses! I mean the whole enchilada, hiring a moving company to come to your home and PACK everything, load it all into a moving van and haiul it to Portland or wherever. You might also get a per diem for travel and a relocation allowance.

Please please PLEASE go ask!


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Would Colorado work? Being up in the mountains usually keeps the evenings and nights cool, if not the days. Duluth, Minnesota or Superior, Wisconsin are happening towns. In MN, it's medical use only, but small amountsmay be to be overlooked. Wonderful communities.
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AZ is medical use only, according to my BFF getting the card is very easy. She loves it because she has access to much better stuff now. My BFF is also pretty sure that it will be fully legal next year.

While much of AZ is hot (but its a dry heat), northern AZ and above 3600 feet is not. Prescott and Flagstaff are beautiful, but pricey. Before we got married, 4 years ago, I worked in Prescott and was bringing home 840 every 2 weeks. This allowed me to make mortgage payments on a 3 bedroom home with fenced yard and storage sheds. The commute to work was 45 minutes each way, but I wanted to buy and wouldn't have been able to afford a garage in Prescott.

Living in the sticks is way different than living in a city, though. You need to be sure you like living somewhere that you have to drive half an hour just to get groceries. While I was living there, folks were constantly moving in because it was affordable, then moving out because they couldn't take the silence.
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