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Old 08-07-2019, 11:13 PM
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I think all those wealthy businessmen, in Texas and elsewhere, just don't want to be the targets of boycotts.
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Old 08-08-2019, 01:21 AM
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I'm going to make a prediction here. Watch how Indiana goes. Trump carried the state by some 500,000 votes, and it has turned increasingly more conservative since Birch Bayh lost his Senate seat to Dan Quayle. But not only are farmers going through a bad year, but agricultural lenders are tightening credit, and Trump's tariffs have hurt - of all things - the RV industry. Another year of this, combined with a heavy vote in NW Indiana, will spell real trouble for Trump.
I agree with Euphonious Polemic. I live in Indiana and it will go for Trump. Too many Hoosiers are fundamentalists who will vote against the baby-killing Democrats and for prayer to be put back in school.

This is also a rural state and too many will vote for Trump because they think he is going to reverse the decline of much of rural America.

Others in southwestern Indiana will vote for him because they think he is going to restore the coal industry.

The only way I see the Hoosier State going blue is if the economy is as bad as it was 2008. While I am confident the GOP is going to take the economy, that may take a couple of years.
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Lol, wut? You don't know the shitstorm that Castro set off last night when he tweeted this?

https://twitter.com/Castro4Congress/...182718464?s=19

It's a list of people here in San Antonio who have donated the maximum to Trump, all accessible via the FEC website, and the Fascists just lost their shit:

https://twitter.com/JohnCornyn/statu...016651776?s=19

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1...298295296?s=19

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status...706381824?s=19
You know those you are labeling fascists aren’t. If they were there wouldn’t be an election in 2020 that was meaningful.
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I don't think the Democrats have a chance to win Indiana, and although that would be nice, I don't think they must. I think they have to win Wisconsin. If Wisconsin goes Trump again, I think the results could be just like last time. IE The majority of voters going against Trump, but Trump eeking out electoral votes.

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...If Wisconsin goes Trump again, I think the results could be just like last time. IE The majority of voters going against Trump, but Trump eeking out electoral votes.
I'll certainly be eeking if he does.
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You know those you are labeling fascists aren’t. If they were there wouldn’t be an election in 2020 that was meaningful.
Your side knows that labeling my side "Socialists" is also false. Deal.
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Pennsylvania Poll just released:

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Contrasting with their feelings about the state, only one in three (34%) registered voters believes that the United States is “headed in the right direction.” About one in three (37%) registered voters in Pennsylvania believes President Trump is doing an “excellent” or “good” job as president, which is consistent with recent Franklin & Marshall College Polls. President Trump’s current rating is similar to President Obama’s rating in Pennsylvania at the same point in his Presidency. Two in five (38%) registered voters believes President Trump has done a good enough job to deserve reelection, while three in five (61%) voters say it is time for a change.

Former Vice President Joe Biden (28%) is the top choice for President among Pennsylvania’s registered Democrats, followed by Senator Elizabeth Warren (21%), although the preferences of liberal and moderate Democrats differ: liberal Democrats prefer Warren (31%), Sanders (16%), Biden (13%) and Harris (11%), while moderate Democrats overwhelmingly prefer Biden (47%).
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Two in five (38%) registered voters believe President Trump has done a good enough job to deserve re-election and most (78%) of these respondents say they will vote for him no matter who runs against him. On the other hand, three in five (61%) voters say it is time for a change and four in five (85%) of these voters say they will vote against the President no matter who runs against him. Taken together, half (51%) of registered voters are firmly supporting a change and a quarter (29%) are firmly supporting no change, leaving another quarter who are still deciding.

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Your side knows that labeling my side "Socialists" is also false. Deal.
Hey, when major politicians on the left call themselves socialists we shouldn't take them at their word?
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Old 08-08-2019, 10:16 AM
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When Texas Republicans freak out about the public finding out they support the Republican President, perhaps we can just assume that while they don't want to self-identify as fascists, they are well aware that other people will do so for them if their support is highlighted.

Just a theory. Right?

But I'm still trying to figure out why one of the major political parties is having a meltdown when it realizes that anyone can be identified as having financially supported the party leader. Makes ya' wonder.
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Hey, when major politicians on the left call themselves socialists we shouldn't take them at their word?
Democratic Socialist != Communist Russia of Stalin or Venezuela

Your side knows that, and lies willfully about it.
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Is there any moderately to very successful business whose owners do NOT support Republicans? I would guess that most of them either donate to Republicans or to both parties.
Of course there are.

The following dataset isn't a list of political affiliation of businessowners by business type, but Verdant Labs did a study on the relative political affiliations of professions, which may provide context about the political leanings of those who start businesses within those professions.

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_p...ons/index.html
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Of course there are.

The following dataset isn't a list of political affiliation of businessowners by business type, but Verdant Labs did a study on the relative political affiliations of professions, which may provide context about the political leanings of those who start businesses within those professions.

http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_p...ons/index.html
Well, I'm sure there are some, but my point was that if you were to boycott all businesses that supported Republicans, you'd have difficulty functioning in society.

Your chart seems to refer to individuals who are employed in those occupations, not the employers.
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Is there any moderately to very successful business whose owners do NOT support Republicans? I would guess that most of them either donate to Republicans or to both parties.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren...c_policy_views
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Steyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/01/polit...ors/index.html

Actually, about half of big time businessmen support the Dems, altho many businesses give to both.

Of course the issue isnt to boycott the company that writes a modest check, it's to get at the big million $ donors.
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Old 08-08-2019, 11:53 AM
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Well, I'm sure there are some, but my point was that if you were to boycott all businesses that supported Republicans, you'd have difficulty functioning in society.
Could we just agree to boycott all businesses that support Trump?
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Could we just agree to boycott all businesses that support Trump?
You cant and wont. And a lot of businesses write checks to both sides.

But you can boycott the big spenders. Major supporters.
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Because I'm always interested in getting more votes for my poll:

Do you prefer to use businesses whose political views match yours?
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And I would say nominating Bernie would give the election to Trump in a walk.
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Biden’s stumbles and Warren’s rise are making me much less confident in my No vote, which I guess means it’s really a tie.

I feel a duty to try to push people towards more electable options, but if at some point it becomes clear that one of those two is sure to win the nomination, I will probably have to cross my fingers, give a few bucks to the DNC, and quit cold turkey again* on all political news until 11/4/20. I just can’t bear to spend months watching a needlessly weak nominee try ineffectually to fight day in and day out against the worst president in American history.

*Twice, for the better part of a year each time, I cut all political news out of my perception. The first was after Bush’s reelection in 2004, and the second was after Trump’s election. This time I could easily see myself going from spring 2020 to when primary season starts again in 2023, other than that quick check to see if hopefully Trump still lost even against a weak Democratic nominee.
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‘He gets it’: Evangelicals aren’t turned off by Trump’s first term
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... In conversation, evangelical voters paint the portrait of the Trump they see: a president who acts like a bully but is fighting for them. A president who sees America like they do, a menacing place where white Christians feel mocked and threatened for their beliefs. A president who’s against abortion and gay rights and who has the economy humming to boot.

“You’ve just got to accept the bad with the good,” Halbert said.
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Trump looked to many like a protector, a brash culture warrior who would take their side. “He said, ‘I’m gonna fight for you. I’m gonna defend you,’ ” said Ralph Reed, the chair of the Faith and Freedom Coalition in Georgia, which will distribute millions of voter-guide pamphlets at churches to drive evangelical turnout in 2020. “He gets it. He knows they’re hungry for that.”

Reed, and others, don’t necessarily expect Trump to fix the problems they see. On gay rights in particular — by far the most drastic change in American attitudes in this century — evangelicals fought hard to block marriage equality. But now, many believe that ship has sailed.

While they cheer Trump’s many efforts to chip away at LGBT rights, they are much more concerned with protecting their own right to maintain their opposition.

They want to be able to teach their values without interference — some churchgoers fretted about school textbooks that refer to transgender identities without condemnation and about gay couples showing up in TV commercials every time they try to watch a show with their children.

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For many, abortion was the defining issue of the last election. In Appleton, Wis., the Rev. A.J. Dudek sat with several leaders of men’s Bible study groups recently in his megachurch’s huge curving lobby.

“Do I enjoy his tweets? No,” Dudek said about the president. But he believes the agenda far outweighs that concern. “If Donald Trump will help save a couple million babies, that’s a good thing. My vote has to align with my view of God’s word — I should care for the baby in the womb.”
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Not that Donald actually believes any of this stuff. He has no beliefs or principles except self-promotion. It's all for votes. If the biggest, loudest voting block was pro-abortion--not just pro-CHOICE, but actually promoting abortion as the first choice for birth control-- he'd not only be for it, he'd figure out a way to slap the Trump brand on it and put Ivanka in charge, so he could make money.
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‘He gets it’: Evangelicals aren’t turned off by Trump’s first term
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Not that Donald actually believes any of this stuff. He has no beliefs or principles except self-promotion. It's all for votes. If the biggest, loudest voting block was pro-abortion--not just pro-CHOICE, but actually promoting abortion as the first choice for birth control-- he'd not only be for it, he'd figure out a way to slap the Trump brand on it and put Ivanka in charge, so he could make money.
I agree that Evangelicals like Trump's in-your-face warrior style, but analysts are missing the importance of their transactional relationship. They know that Trump is absolutely not a Christian or anything close to a true believer in Jesus, but it doesn't matter. What matters for Evangelicals is similar to what matters to oligarchs who want their tax cuts and similar to what matters to white nationalists who want policies of bigotry: he delivers the goods. And if he can't do it through legislation, he can do it with executive orders, court fights, or by simply tilting administrative power where it favors the cause and refusing to enforce laws when it doesn't. Trump says fuck the process and fuck the system, and they love it because it has immediate impact.

And in addition to that, I think some of these people just enjoy seeing people writhe in pain, as it makes themselves feel more powerful.

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I agree that Evangelicals like Trump's in-your-face warrior style, but analysts are missing the importance of their transactional relationship. They know that Trump is absolutely not a Christian or anything close to a true believer in Jesus, but it doesn't matter. What matters for Evangelicals is similar to what matters to oligarchs who want their tax cuts and similar to what matters to white nationalists who want policies of bigotry: he delivers the goods. And if he can't do it through legislation, he can do it with executive orders, court fights, or by simply tilting administrative power where it favors the cause and refusing to enforce laws when it doesn't. Trump says fuck the process and fuck the system, and they love it because it has immediate impact. ...
There's a story told about Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant during the Civil War. Grant was known as a drunk and at various times people urged Lincoln to replace him. Despite Grant's failings, Lincoln stuck by his choice of commanders with the phrase "I can’t spare this man; he fights." President Trump fights too.
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Lol, no. I fight. He whines.
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On the occasions when he actually "fights" rather than whining or capitulating, Trump fights hardest against brown and black people. That's he came to prominence in politics -- birtherism. That's how he won the Republican primary -- by slandering migrants, Mexicans, and Muslims.

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I recall a saying (paraphrased) that everyone wants someone who says out loud what they are thinking deep down in private. Trump did that for many evangelicals.
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On the occasions when he actually "fights" rather than whining or capitulating, Trump fights hardest against brown and black people. That's he came to prominence in politics -- birtherism. That's how he won the Republican primary -- by slandering migrants, Mexicans, and Muslims.
White conservatives identify with his bullying because many of them are either bullies themselves, already having positions of power - or they want to become bullies and seek opportunities to take their frustrations out on more vulnerable people.
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Not that Donald actually believes any of this stuff. He has no beliefs or principles except self-promotion. It's all for votes. If the biggest, loudest voting block was pro-abortion--not just pro-CHOICE, but actually promoting abortion as the first choice for birth control -- he'd . . . be for it . . .
I can't find a cite right now, but this is very similar to what I once read about Reinhard Heydrich - that he would have been a great champion and protector of the Jews if that's what Himmler and Hitler had wanted. All that mattered to him was winning their admiration and being known as someone who gets things done and being seen as a success. Extermination, protection, whatever it took.
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On the occasions when he actually "fights" rather than whining or capitulating, Trump fights hardest against brown and black people. That's he came to prominence in politics -- birtherism. That's how he won the Republican primary -- by slandering migrants, Mexicans, and Muslims.
Yes, Trump punches down and always has. But American evangelicals see themselves as a minority under attack in a nation growing more secular and more socially tolerant by the day. Donald is their Champion standing up to the unchurched leftists who allow abortions and same sex marriages and who pollute the television airwaves with their messages of equality and tolerance.

It is a constant source of wonderment to me that so many evangelicals can be so kind and generous on a personal level yet so intolerant of people outside what they consider mainstream culture.
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Not that Donald actually believes any of this stuff. He has no beliefs or principles except self-promotion. It's all for votes. If the biggest, loudest voting block was pro-abortion--not just pro-CHOICE, but actually promoting abortion as the first choice for birth control-- he'd not only be for it, he'd figure out a way to slap the Trump brand on it and put Ivanka in charge, so he could make money.
I could see a Republican Congress passing some anti-abortion bill. It goes to Donald's desk and his secretary says "The abortion bill is on your desk", to which he would say "I thought I already paid it".
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Yes, Trump punches down and always has. But American evangelicals see themselves as a minority under attack in a nation growing more secular and more socially tolerant by the day.
I don't buy that they see themselves as under attack; I see it more as frustration that they're losing influence, which is what religion has always been about since the first day the first religion or spiritual group was founded in human history. Religion serves as a social structure. I'm not one of those who says "fuck religion, it all sucks" but there's no denying that the implicit nature of religion is that it seeks to influence people and form a community according to a set of philosophical principles. Some groups are premised on principles of flexibility, individuality, choice, and tolerance, but Evangelical faiths are not like that.

Trump is popular with Evangelicals because he is an authoritarian, just like they are also authoritarians. Moreover, they like him because he is not just telling them they're not wrong for being authoritarian, but he's green-lighting religiously-inspired aggression against competing faiths, against those without faith, and against secular institutions. The Courts, the IRS, academic interpretations of the constitution, and many individual figures in mainstream society have critiqued the Evangelicals and advocated curbing their power. He's unchaining them and letting those dogs run wild.
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I don't buy that they see themselves as under attack; I see it more as frustration that they're losing influence
These two things often go hand in hand. They're not contradictory at all.

Also, plenty do feel attacked, or promote the view that Christians are attacked. Some sources:

Vox article: Mike Pence tells graduates to be prepared to face attacks

CNN article: White evangelicals feel that Christian values are under attack

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I recall a saying (paraphrased) that everyone wants someone who says out loud what they are thinking deep down in private. Trump did that for many evangelicals.
If the deranged blather being ejected from Trump's face hole is what's knocking around in their heads, they're even more profoundly fucked up than I thought.
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MANCHESTER, N.H. — Even as markets show signs of a coming recession, President Donald Trump told New Hampshire voters Thursday that they had to support his re-election campaign or suffer the economic consequences.

“I won the election, the markets went up thousands of points, things started happening,” Trump said at a rally here. “If, for some reason, I were not to have won the election, these markets would have crashed. That will happen even more so in 2020. You have no choice but to vote for me, because your 401(k), everything is going to be down the tubes.”

“Whether you love me or hate me, you have got to vote for me,” he added.

Trump, appearing at his first campaign stop in New Hampshire this year, delivered a wide-ranging speech lasting more than 90 minutes that addressed Hillary Clinton’s emails, eradicating the AIDS epidemic and the prospects of the nearly two dozen Democrats running for president against him.

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What an arrogant SOB. Glad he managed to work Hillary's emails into it.
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Nice economy we got here. Be a shame if something happened to it. I could do a lot of damage on the way out the door, you wouldn't want that, would you?
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What an arrogant SOB. Glad he managed to work Hillary's emails into it.
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MANCHESTER, N.H.—During a rally in the nation’s first primary state last night, President Donald Trump delivered two hours’ worth of musings on his favorite topics, including, in the order mused: the 2016 election, “fake polls,” the “fake news media,” crowd size, “fake witch hunts,” the success of “Make America Great Again” as a slogan, China tariffs, farmers, “Sleepy Joe” Biden, “Pocahontas,” personnel matters at The New York Times, socialism, communism, the Green New Deal, the military, Barack Obama, jobs, the stock market, the unemployment rate, law enforcement, Democrats calling people Nazis, the Border Patrol, faith, the American flag, freedom, “America First,” receiving the nonexistent honor of Michigan’s “Man of the Year,” Mexico, winning Pennsylvania, winning North Carolina, winning South Carolina, winning Florida, Hillary Clinton’s emails, ethanol, Rudy Giuliani, Corey Lewandowski, NAFTA, tax cuts, coal, oil, the effect of windmills on property values, steel and aluminum, Representative Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, China’s currency manipulation, the Wall Street Journal editorial board, globalism, violent crime, how guns are shot, the Second Amendment, the opioid epidemic, the progress of a border wall, drug smuggling, sanctuary cities, illegal immigrants, voter-ID laws, “the Democrat Party,” Obamacare, late-term abortion, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, astronauts, Mars, Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, rockets, the Iran nuclear deal, moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, the American dream, eradicating AIDS, curing childhood cancer, and, again, winning.
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Yep, trump will win. All the dems are busy doing the GOPs job for them and tearing down each other, especially the frontrunner.

"Bidens too old!" (Except Sanders is older and trump is almost as old)

etc, etc.
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Yep, trump will win. All the dems are busy doing the GOPs job for them and tearing down each other, especially the frontrunner.

"Bidens too old!" (Except Sanders is older and trump is almost as old)

etc, etc.
Dude, chill. I'm not a fan of Sanders, but at least Sanders isn't withdrawing himself from public view because his handlers are afraid of how he'll look in front of the camera. Joe Biden doesn't look like he's a candidate for president right now; he looks like he's a candidate for a retirement home. I came into the race leaning toward Biden, and I don't think he would be a particularly disastrous president, but he looks weak on camera and there's no getting around that.
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"huge danger sign for Trump in new NBC/WSJ poll:

among white women without college degrees, Trump trails generic 2020 Democrat by 6 percentage points

in 2016, exit polls showed him beating Hillary among those voters by 27 percentage points."

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/sta...986667012?s=19

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Before he boarded Air Force One to fly back to Washington on Sunday afternoon, President Donald Trump was asked about a recent Fox News poll that showed him in serious trouble vis a vis the 2020 election. Trump, as he is wont to do, went off at length on his once-favorite network.
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Unsurprisingly, Trump didn't like that. Here's the key bit:

"Well, Fox has always given me -- I'll tell you, Fox is a lot different than it used to be, I can tell you that. ... Fox has changed. And my worst polls have always been from Fox. There's something going on at Fox, I'll tell you right now. And I'm not happy with it."

"There's something going on at Fox."
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"My worst polls have always been from Fox", lol.
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Fox abandoning Trump? Reminds me of the headline:

"Rats Desert Stinking Shit"
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For the purposes of this thread I would like to point out that Anthony Scaramucci predicts that Trump will resign by March.

My birthday is in March. Oh, PLEASE, let this happen!

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/antho...b0f667ed676432
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Scaramucci is, at best, slightly less a colossal fool now than before. More likely he's still just a lying opportunist trying to figure out which way the wind is blowing. Just like he (probably) was before.
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Oh, no doubt. But! It's still a data point for this thread.
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The idea that Democrats should not impeach Trump, because it may rile up his voters and be a detriment to their chances in the presidential election, has been brought up here and elsewhere. In an article at Salon.com Rachel Bitecofer addresses this, not directly, but suggestively, in an interview:

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I'm also able to show that even in these districts [in the Virginia 2017 election] where Democrats ran Blue Dog candidates who were as unobtrusive as possible — with, exactly as you stated, the goal of not riling up Trump voters — the turnout for Republican voters in those districts was huge.

In fact, not only did Democrats not get the benefit of not stirring up the Trump base — the Trump base was stirred up and showed up in huge numbers — but by not tapping into anti-Trump sentiment in their own campaign strategy, by not intentionally activating that Trump angst, they paid a price in terms of their own base turnout. It was depressed, compared to other districts.
She will be releasing her full data after Labor Day, but this suggestive of sort of what I and others have said elsewhere, in a nutshell: the best course for Democrats is to go after Trump with impeachment without fear of riling up anyone. They are already riled up.

In other news from that article, she is predicting a Democrat victory at this point, with 278 electoral votes, and has other interesting things to say, especially about the midwest, if anyone is interested.

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My model for 2020 starts off with Democrats at 278 Electoral College votes, and that's a problem for Trump, because of course you need 270 to win. It does that because of my model's prediction, based on turnout and predicted vote share, that Pennsylvania and Michigan will slip back to the Democrats. I'm uncertain about Ohio, but even if Trump wins Ohio, he can't win the other three Midwestern states.
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If there are clear high crimes and misdemeanors and the House fails to impeach due to political considerations then agreed, the political Realpolitik would likely backfire.

And we can leave what are clear high crimes and misdemeanors for another thread.

Politically the investigation of such crimes needs to not be the major focus and order of business though. The House has to first and foremost be seen as trying to do the business of governance (with the Senate and the president continuing to be the operatives of No.) both can be done at the same time and one must be in the spotlight.
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It's not "riling up". Its the fact that trump will be proven "Not Guilty". Thus to all the fence sitters, it will be evidence that the Dems were just on a witch hunt and that trump is innocent.

The Senate will not vote to remove/convict.
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For the purposes of this thread I would like to point out that Anthony Scaramucci predicts that Trump will resign by March.

My birthday is in March. Oh, PLEASE, let this happen!

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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/antho...b0f667ed676432
So whats the deal in March? Whats looming around that would want him to bounce specifically then?

If its in the article, sorry to ask. I can't get it to load for some reason. It has a pop up ad on it that seems to hose it from loading.
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It's not "riling up". Its the fact that trump will be proven "Not Guilty". Thus to all the fence sitters, it will be evidence that the Dems were just on a witch hunt and that trump is innocent.

The Senate will not vote to remove/convict.
I highly doubt anyone here is so deluded as to believe theSenate would convict (barring something happening that causes Trump’s very base to abandon ship).

Who do you mean by the fence sitters?

The potentially swingable are Romney Trump voters, who get that Senate failure to convict is political only, and Obama Trump voters, who likely think both impeachment and conviction are purely acts of political theater. I don’t see many who would be convinced of his innocence by this would did not already believe it. If the evidence is overwhelming maybe a couple the other way.

Do what history demands as the right thing depending on what the case is. Abdicate that demand at a turnout deficit cost.
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What the article JohnT linked to says is that Trump will drop his re-election bid by March.
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He also predicted that Trump would drop out of the 2020 presidential race by March as he realized the tide of discontent had grown against him.
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So whats the deal in March? Whats looming around that would want him to bounce specifically then?

If its in the article, sorry to ask. I can't get it to load for some reason. It has a pop up ad on it that seems to hose it from loading.
Oh, nothing. Scaramooch is promoting his book and is merely making waves. I don't think he could make the case for March, either.
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