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Old 10-01-2018, 02:31 PM
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Cristiano Ronaldo rape allegations


Not seen a thread in this, but CR7 has been accused of raping an American woman in Las Vegas in summer 2009. And reaching a settlement..

All I can say is,
If true, his career and his freedom need to end, and soon.

ETA: This is the same woman he was photographed with in 2009, whom many have often thought of as Cristiano Jnr mother. Over the years, except for denying surrogacy, CR7 has maintained a silence on the issue, this might explain why.

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Der Spiegel's a pretty reliable source no? And the allegations are very specific. Seems legit to me.

And while we're at it can we disbar all the lawyers who assist in covering up crimes?
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On this drive the Broncos seem to be doing anything they want.
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On this drive the Broncos seem to be doing anything they want.
I'm gonna take a wild guess that you meant that to be in a different thread.
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I'm gonna take a wild guess that you meant that to be in a different thread.
I did but it might work here as well.

Letís give this story time to develop.
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Der Spiegel's a pretty reliable source no? And the allegations are very specific. Seems legit to me.

And while we're at it can we disbar all the lawyers who assist in covering up crimes?
Yeah. And there are documents, and contemporaneous accounts which at least place them together at the time and location in question.
She certainly could be his first childís mother, he has been notoriously mysterious with respect to her identity, this would explain it.

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I'm gonna take a wild guess that you meant that to be in a different thread.
Though the post is strangely accurate accudently.
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Yeah. And there are documents, and contemporaneous accounts which at least place them together at the time and location in question.
She certainly could be his first childís mother, he has been notoriously mysterious with respect to her identity, this would explain it...(
Let's say you're right, and the kid's his, from a sexual encounter he had with Ms. Mayorga. And let's assume he paid her a sum of money back then, to prevent her from coming forward with allegations he committed a crime. Short of a confession from him of a crime in documents to her---as opposed to him admitting they had sex and she was unhappy about the encounter---how do you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a rape occurred? Are there contemporaneous witnesses who can corroborate her account? Is there other evidence that she did not consent? For example, texts between Ronaldo and Mayorga detailing the encounter, or where she alleges an assault, etc...?

If he paid her at the time to prevent her from going public with her story---and that hasn't been proven yet, despite the evidence Der Spiegel holds---it still does not necessarily mean that a crime was committed by him.
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This is a lot more credible than the accusation against Kavanaugh. That there was a settlement is pretty telling. I wonder if she has some hidden proof?
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Yeah. And there are documents, and contemporaneous accounts which at least place them together at the time and location in question.
She certainly could be his first childís mother, he has been notoriously mysterious with respect to her identity, this would explain it.


Am I missing something? She claims he raped her anally.
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Since it looks like you, unlike me, actually read the article, Blank Slate, is there evidence for her claim? What supporting material does she have?

It's hard to believe any lawyer'd be stupid enough to have her client admit to any wrongdoing in a NDA, and with enough specific details that it could constitute a confession in criminal court, but stranger things have happened. Does she have electronic evidence where he admits to the conduct, but is attempting to apologize?
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Am I missing something? She claims he raped her anally.
Yes I know. CR7 does something impossible again!
But as far as I could tell they did have regular sex before the violation.
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Espn article with important info: http://www.espn.com/soccer/juventus/...sexual-assault

FTA: "Police said Monday they responded to a sexual assault call on the date Mayorga is alleging in her civil suit but said the victim "did not provide detectives with the location of the incident or suspect description" at the time, though a medical exam was conducted."

That's quite a bit of contemporaneous corroboration if true.
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Yes I know. CR7 does something impossible again!
But as far as I could tell they did have regular sex before the violation.
No, I don't think so. It's a long article and I admit skimming parts of it, but it all took place over the course of one night in Las Vegas.

Her account is credible and there is a lot of corroborating evidence. This is particularly damning:

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A list containing hundreds of questions was submitted to Ronaldo, his brother-in-law and his cousin. In the document, Ronaldo is referred to as "X" while Kathryn Mayorga is referred to as "Ms. C."

There are several versions of the questionnaire. The questions remain more or less consistent on all of them, but the answers do not.

In one version from December 2009, Ronaldo speaks of consensual sex and that there had been no indication that she wasn't OK with it during sex nor did it seem that she wasn't doing well afterward.

But there is another, much earlier version. It is the document that could have serious consequences for Ronaldo. It was sent via email in September 2009. The sender was a lawyer from Osůrio de Castro's firm. The recipients were Osůrio de Castro himself and an additional colleague.

In response to the question as to whether Ms. C. ever raised her voice, screamed or called out, X responded, according to the document: "She said no and stop several times."

In the document, X says that she was lying on her side. "I entered her from behind. It was rude. We didn't change position. 5/7 minutes. She said that she didn't want to, but she made herself available." And further: "But she kept saying 'No.' 'Don't do it.' 'I'm not like the others.' I apologized afterwards."

He is quoted in the document as saying that she never screamed and never called out for someone.

Question: Did Ms. C. say anything afterwards about the sex being too brutal?

X: "She didn't complain about it being brutal. She complained that I forced her. She didn't say anything about wanting to go to the police."

In the answers to the list of questions, Ronaldo confirms Mayorga's version on the following points: She said no several times. And he apologized afterwards.
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Thinking about it some more, if a person can casually sodomize an unwilling participant, someone who is saying "no" and "I don't want to," then I would bet that person has done it before, and probably since too. This may be a tip of the iceberg moment for Cristiano Ronaldo.

I wonder what happens next. There isn't a statute of limitations worry because the victim documented the attack with police and a rape kit examination was performed. Will the Vegas cops seek an arrest? Will the jurisdiction where Ronaldo resides be willing to extradite? Does the settlement make it difficult to prosecute? A lot of open questions.
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Will this result in Jorge Mendes being exposed?
Seriously, he has represented half the major footballers on the planet. No way CR7 was the only young footballer who "went too far".

One of the few times the olden days might have had a better idea...........they used to keep coaches watching players at all times even when sociailizing, until the married, the idea was that they were not mature enough.
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Thinking about it some more, if a person can casually sodomize an unwilling participant, someone who is saying "no" and "I don't want to," then I would bet that person has done it before, and probably since too. This may be a tip of the iceberg moment for Cristiano Ronaldo.

I wonder what happens next. There isn't a statute of limitations worry because the victim documented the attack with police and a rape kit examination was performed. Will the Vegas cops seek an arrest? Will the jurisdiction where Ronaldo resides be willing to extradite? Does the settlement make it difficult to prosecute? A lot of open questions.
Was the evidence kit kept by the relevant authorities for all of this time? I mean, there was a police report made near the time of the alleged assault, but was there an official criminal complaint filed that would be sufficient for the police to keep the evidence kit? If they didn't keep it, does it still exist?

I'm still trying to figure out how a document sent by, IIRC, Ronaldo's lawyer, to a colleague of said lawyer, and containing communications from the client in the course of seeking legal advice, ever got discovered.
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It looks to me like he thought at the time that what he did was no big deal, and so was willing to admit to doing it, but that as time went on and "no means no" started to gain traction, he realized that it could get him in trouble, and so he started denying that it happened at all. He must be having a real panic, now that his older answers are coming to light.
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I wonder what happens next. There isn't a statute of limitations worry because the victim documented the attack with police and a rape kit examination was performed. Will the Vegas cops seek an arrest? Will the jurisdiction where Ronaldo resides be willing to extradite? Does the settlement make it difficult to prosecute? A lot of open questions.
Itís not clear by that article if there is enough for a charge. I very well could have missed some of these points in the two long articles. It seems like there was a rape kit made but we donít know if they found any DNA. The confession document seems like it was an email questionnaire thatís been through translation and not a recorded interview. That might not even be admissible if it canít be proven he wrote it. Itís hard to tell which direction publicity might push it. Prosecutors are reluctant to go to a jury if the only admissible evidence is victim testimony but they could be pushed to do so by bad publicity.
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Itís not clear by that article if there is enough for a charge. I very well could have missed some of these points in the two long articles. It seems like there was a rape kit made but we donít know if they found any DNA. The confession document seems like it was an email questionnaire thatís been through translation and not a recorded interview. That might not even be admissible if it canít be proven he wrote it. Itís hard to tell which direction publicity might push it. Prosecutors are reluctant to go to a jury if the only admissible evidence is victim testimony but they could be pushed to do so by bad publicity.
Loach, what triggers your jurisdiction hanging onto evidence like a sexual assault evidence kit? Does it retain all evidence for all people contacting a police officer and wishing to file a criminal complaint, even if they don't follow through with assisting the district attorney in filing charges? Do you guys need an indictment/information to be issued before you start storing evidence?

Or would your jurisdiction still be storing evidence in a case like this one? Because that would seem to require a lot of space and cash.

Off topic, but how does it work for cases like murder? Is the complaint filed in the name of the deceased?
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Loach, what triggers your jurisdiction hanging onto evidence like a sexual assault evidence kit? Does it retain all evidence for all people contacting a police officer and wishing to file a criminal complaint, even if they don't follow through with assisting the district attorney in filing charges? Do you guys need an indictment/information to be issued before you start storing evidence?

Or would your jurisdiction still be storing evidence in a case like this one? Because that would seem to require a lot of space and cash.

Off topic, but how does it work for cases like murder? Is the complaint filed in the name of the deceased?
Itís a state by state thing so I can only speak for my state specifically and in generalities. It goes by what the statute of limitations is. For what is commonly referred to as rape there has been no statute of limitations for several decades. So any evidence will be kept forever. Same with murder. We keep some of it, our county keeps some of it. The law doesnít care about expense or storage room. It has nothing to do with indictment the evidence will be kept for as long as the guidance says and that is by SoL. Minor crimes will be disposed of relatively quick. Murders and rapes will never be disposed of.

As for who the complainant is, in the case of what is usually called a felony the police officer or detective is the complainant. The victim is listed as the victim. Thatís if the victim is alive or dead.
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Itís a state by state thing so I can only speak for my state specifically and in generalities. It goes by what the statute of limitations is. For what is commonly referred to as rape there has been no statute of limitations for several decades. So any evidence will be kept forever. Same with murder. We keep some of it, our county keeps some of it. The law doesnít care about expense or storage room. It has nothing to do with indictment the evidence will be kept for as long as the guidance says and that is by SoL. Minor crimes will be disposed of relatively quick. Murders and rapes will never be disposed of.

As for who the complainant is, in the case of what is usually called a felony the police officer or detective is the complainant. The victim is listed as the victim. Thatís if the victim is alive or dead.
Thanks, ignorance fought.

So, if Vegas runs things similarly to your jurisdiction, they'd still have the evidence kit from Ms. Mayorga's alleged assault. And be able to test it to see if Ronaldo's DNA was present in accordance with her allegations. Doesn't get past the "without her consent" part yet, but it might corroborate her allegation that there was whatever sexual contact she claimed occurred. I wonder if the questionnaire in the electronic document that was mentioned in Blank Slate's quote was something like an attached .pdf to the email? (With Ronaldo's notarized signature, as long as we're dreaming. Still can't understand how an email like that made it out into public.)

I'd think the SoL for any tort claims filed by Ms. Mayorga would have already lasped, if this chart about Nevada tort law from lawyers.com is correct. https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/r...mitations.html Looks like most of the applicable causes of action would be two to three years.

I'd think Ronaldo's lawyers would be able to file against her on her breach of contract (the NDA), if they felt like making this more of a circus than it already is. And if they felt like subjecting their client to being deposed.

I wonder if anyone else is going to come forward?
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Legal question: Does the victim generally have to repay the financial settlement (in this case, $375,000) if they decide later on that they'd rather take their attacker to court or to the press after all?
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That would depend on the terms of the contract... but as I understand it, contracts for illegal activity are automatically void. If you have someone sign an NDA for something that's embarrassing but legal, that's fine, but if they sign an NDA for rape or another crime, and then violate the agreement, you have no recourse.

IANAL, in case anyone didn't know that.
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probably depends on what is in the agreement she signed.
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That would depend on the terms of the contract... but as I understand it, contracts for illegal activity are automatically void. If you have someone sign an NDA for something that's embarrassing but legal, that's fine, but if they sign an NDA for rape or another crime, and then violate the agreement, you have no recourse.

IANAL, in case anyone didn't know that.
But letís say in this case that Ronaldo wanted the parentage of the child to be a secret to avoid hurting his public image, and wanted his romantic involvement with her to be kept quiet and that was in the NDA. I find such a thing reprehensible (personally) but thereís nothing illegal in that request.

She then accuses him of rape, but in order to make that charge she has to reveal that she did have sex with him (whether or not the act or method was always willing). That breaks the NDA. That gets a bit murky... I can see on the one hand it would be insane to force a victim of sexual violence to keep her trap shut because of whatís in a contract. That would be horrible.

But can a false (or unprovable) accusation become a license to break an NDA without consequences? If so, what value does such an NDA have? If there are potential consequences, what are they?
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Thanks, ignorance fought.

So, if Vegas runs things similarly to your jurisdiction, they'd still have the evidence kit from Ms. Mayorga's alleged assault. And be able to test it to see if Ronaldo's DNA was present in accordance with her allegations. Doesn't get past the "without her consent" part yet, but it might corroborate her allegation that there was whatever sexual contact she claimed occurred. I wonder if the questionnaire in the electronic document that was mentioned in Blank Slate's quote was something like an attached .pdf to the email? (With Ronaldo's notarized signature, as long as we're dreaming. Still can't understand how an email like that made it out into public.)

I'd think the SoL for any tort claims filed by Ms. Mayorga would have already lasped, if this chart about Nevada tort law from lawyers.com is correct. https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/r...mitations.html Looks like most of the applicable causes of action would be two to three years.

I'd think Ronaldo's lawyers would be able to file against her on her breach of contract (the NDA), if they felt like making this more of a circus than it already is. And if they felt like subjecting their client to being deposed.

I wonder if anyone else is going to come forward?
I donít know Nevada rules but I would guess they would have it. Itís just hard to tell what kind of real evidence there is when all of the information is coming from her lawyers. There could be a lot, there could be too little beyond her statements.
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I'm guessing here, but: If there really was a rape, then she's allowed to make that accusation without breaking the NDA, because in that case, legally speaking, there is no NDA. If she makes the accusation, there's a trial, and he's found guilty of rape, then that's the end of the story.

If there's not such a trial, or there is but he's found non-guilty, then he could sue her for breach of contract. But that's risky, because her defense would be that it really was rape and that the contract was thus void. And this would be a civil trial, which would mean that the burden of proof would merely be the preponderance of the evidence. So if there were that level of evidence, then he could very easily end up with a court determining that he did rape her: He wouldn't go to jail for it, but that'd still be a definite career-ender and reputation-killer. And there probably is that level of evidence, because her side of the he-said-she-said is backed up by the fact that she filed a police report: Can he provide any evidence at all to back up his side?
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It would be judged according to ordinary rules of contract law. So if there is a breach of enforcable terms; then yes.

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Can he provide any evidence at all to back up his side?
At this point if she really is the mother of his child, then you'd think he'd want to reveal that ASAP, a that would be a good defence to the claim as it would give them a line of attack ("she is pissed I took the kid")

ETA: It might be a reputation ender, but he is already in the twolight of his career. He has bascially done it all.

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Can we stop with this "mother of his child" stuff? This woman had no previous relationship with Ronaldo. She met him for the first time the night of the alleged attack.

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It would be judged according to ordinary rules of contract law. So if there is a breach of enforcable terms; then yes.
According to her lawyer, the NDA can be ruled invalid if it's found that the agreement was only made by taking advantage of her diminished psychological state. He believes he has the documents to prove it.
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Can we stop with this "mother of his child" stuff? This woman had no previous relationship with Ronaldo. She met him for the first time the night of the alleged attack.
Yeah that was confusing me too. There is no mention of a previous or post incident relationship. Did speculation about the child come from a different source? I suppose itís possible that her lawyers left that out but it certainly doesnít read that way. Granted my only exposure to this story are the articles in the OP.
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I read today that both EA Sports (who has Ronaldo as the face of their FIFA games) and Nike are “concerned” which I think is code for “those sponsorship deals are in jeopardy”.
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Apparently there is another woman.
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