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New Zealand stumbling now as they chase Bangladeshs modest total.
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My three year old thought it would be a good idea to get out his doctor's kit during the last three overs, so I had my heart rate and blood pressure monitored to the end.
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:01 PM
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*checks score*

Huh, what were you worried about?

*rechecks score*,

Oh, 8 down huh? Fair enough!
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"Ok; time to panic!"
I'm sure all Saffer cricket supporters appreciate their teams consideration of the national heart condition.
Rather than building unsustainable expectations only to pop their balloon in the last game, in 2019 they are getting the same result with a much more gentle deflation.

Humane, even.

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I'm sure all Saffer cricket supporters appreciate their teams consideration of the national heart condition.
Rather than building unsustainable expectations only to pop their balloon in the last game, in 2019 they are getting the same result with a much more gentle deflation.

Humane, even.
Seems so. I made an investment on NZ, at over 3 times the odds, and wasn’t worried at any point. Was an easy cover.
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Australia making hard work of batting first against the west Indies, 70-odd for 5, but they still have Steve Smith.
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At 206-7 the Aussies are 2 wickets worse than their Plan B but 270 is still feasible.
If the Windies keep bowling wides at the current rate they might get 300.

Not convinced 270 is enough.
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At 206-7 the Aussies are 2 wickets worse than their Plan B but 270 is still feasible.
If the Windies keep bowling wides at the current rate they might get 300.

Not convinced 270 is enough.
Blimey! This was not expected when they were 38-4. Sloppy Windies bowling and absolutely shit-or-bust batting from Australia is going to get them near to 300.

Cracking game, as was the NZ - Bangladesh match last night.
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Screaming good catch by Cotterell to dismiss Smith but nudging and noodling singles will give them 290.
Unlikely Coulter-Nile will be nudging and Starc doesn't noodle.
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All out 288 at end of 49th over.
Would be ungracious to say they left a dozen runs short.

I would have taken the 270.
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Old 06-06-2019, 08:38 AM
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All out 288 at end of 49th over.
Would be ungracious to say they left a dozen runs short.
It would, but you heavily implied it anyway

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I suspect that at 38-4 you would have been sorely tempted by 200 were it offered to you.

Strange thing momentum though isn't it? Windies will be kicking themselves and Australia will be quietly pleased with a total that gives them some attacking space. Against every fibre of my English cricketing core I find myself hoping for an Aussie win. Not least because it makes things very interesting and probably ensures less dead rubbers towards the end of the group stage.
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24 wides in 50 overs must be some sort of record bowling benevolence.
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I've noticed that captains don't replace bowlers within overs, even if they have 6-7 legitimate options to go to. Is that more to save embarrassment or something? If a bowler is getting crushed after 3 balls, why not replace him? I know that in ODI's, a bowler can only bowl in 10 overs, but doesn't having a few all-rounders mitigate this risk?
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A bowler has to complete an over he starts unless injured.
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Wow! an explosive start to the Windies reply.

2-31 after 5 overs and Gayle is out at the third time of asking......game very much on.

And.....hang on, didn't we think this was going to just be a tournament of boom-boom-batting? hasn't turned out that way at all so far. Full marks to the groundsmen who are providing pretty good surfaces for a fair contest.
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Got it, somehow missed that in all these past couple of years of learning the game.
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OK, I'm calling it - Windies/Oz will end in a tie. Currently 160/4 after 30 overs, Holder just having narrowly survived an lbw shout.
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Incidentally, there's a fair amount of rain around tomorrow, and maybe into saturday and sunday as well, so we could get some rained off games over the next few days. Hopefully not too many.

WI really should win this, although there's a question mark over whether Andre Russell is actually fit and that will put a dent in their chase. If these two can get WI to 220 ish, DreRus could get the rest himself.

RR creeping up though.
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24 wides in 50 overs must be some sort of record bowling benevolence.
Wasim Akram used to bowl that many on a good day.
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Got to say this is a bit of a choke by Windies. My prediction really was looking on, until Holder got out. A finely balanced game swung Australia's way by Mitchell Starc.
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Yet again Australia claw their way back from a bad position. Good to see another close one though.
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Wasim Akram used to bowl that many on a good day.
Fair to say though that he was good value for it.

Anyway, good game all round. When you get multiple phases with different sides on top and all results possible right to the end, you are being entertained.
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In Bristol it looks like it's going to stop raining just long enough for them to dry out the outfield, toss, and bowl enough balls to avoid a full refund for the poor saps who have been sitting in the drizzle since 10am, but probably not long enough to obtain an actual result.
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It is supposed to brighten up for the two games tomorrow though, though, so there's that at least.

Who will be most pleased to get a point out of this game? Sri Lanka?
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It is supposed to brighten up for the two games tomorrow though, though, so there's that at least.

Who will be most pleased to get a point out of this game? Sri Lanka?
Certainly Sri Lanka. They’ve looked pretty hopeless.
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So, when we review the games so far, where does that leave us? Australia unbeaten, but they tend to rely on just a few players- too many second raters for mine. England a big hope and I think the Windies will do well, and I think Afghanistan will win one game. In other words, I have no idea.
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England have set an unlikely 387 for Bangladesh to reach having been inserted at Cardiff. It's a small ground though, so whilst I expect England to win, it might be closer than expected.

And it's a double header today, with AFG and NZ playing at Taunton, and AFG at 71/4.

At the moment, my prediction for hte final 4 is: England, India, Australia, New Zealand. Pakistan and especially WI will have something to say about that, and I wouldn't really expect from here that anyone else will contend to qualify. SA looking poor.
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That score sounds far to much for Bangladesh.

I have moaned about Australia's second tier bowlers- I cannot see why Zampa gets in above Lyons.
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It seems to me that most all-rounders are clearly better at either batting or bowling? Of the all-rounders in this tournament, who has the best combination of batting and bowling skills? From a novice POV, the ones that come to mind for me are Ben Stokes, Moeen Ali, and Hardik Pandya.
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It’s the fundamental asymmetry of the sport. Bowling is much harder work. Batsmen have much longer careers. Many allrounders start as bowlers and progressively become batsmen who bowl par-time. Steve Smith made his Test debut as a leg spinner who could bat a bit.
The “best” allrounders hold their place as a first choice bowler who can periodically win (more rarely save) games.
None on show are Gary Sobers but Jason Holder is my nominee.
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It seems to me that most all-rounders are clearly better at either batting or bowling? Of the all-rounders in this tournament, who has the best combination of batting and bowling skills? From a novice POV, the ones that come to mind for me are Ben Stokes, Moeen Ali, and Hardik Pandya.
Two to watch from the West Indies are Andre Russell and Jason Holder. Shakib Al Hasan of Bangladesh is the #1 ranked in ODIs, though his bowling isn't really suited to English conditions. (Mind you, the ICC ranking system for all-rounders would appear to be somewhat strange - #2 on the list is Rashid Khan, who bats at 9 for Afghanistan).
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I'd say Jacques Kallis was the last of the true great all rounders. Good enough to make any team as a batsman or a bowler.

New Zealand quietly chalked up another two points. Given we'll probably lose a few games to rain 13 or 14 points will probably be enough to make the semis so they're nearly half way there on six.
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It seems to me that most all-rounders are clearly better at either batting or bowling? Of the all-rounders in this tournament, who has the best combination of batting and bowling skills? From a novice POV, the ones that come to mind for me are Ben Stokes, Moeen Ali, and Hardik Pandya.
The term all rounder is misused frequently. A true all rounder is a player who can hold his place in the side for either batting or bowling (or other attribute such as wicket keeping). and there have been very few of those. What we see in most teams is a batsman who can bowl a few overs or a bowler who may get late order runs.

As has been mentioned, Jaques Kallis was an all rounder as was Garfield Sobers (batting, pace bowling, spin bowling). Others would probably be Ian Botham, Keith Miller and Adam Gilchrist.
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A much better performance from England and never really in doubt. that was the best ODI international score at the ground by over 40 runs, the 7th highest in the history of the competition and by far England's best world cup score.

Australia - India today, always an interesting match-up
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Jason Holder is probably the best all rounder in this competition,able to do both, but I don't think even he would be picked just for his batting.
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A much better performance from England and never really in doubt. that was the best ODI international score at the ground by over 40 runs, the 7th highest in the history of the competition and by far England's best world cup score.

Australia - India today, always an interesting match-up
I'll tell you how interesting I think it was after the result. <wink>
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Jason Holder is probably the best all rounder in this competition,able to do both, but I don't think even he would be picked just for his batting.
I've probably skipped a few- Tony Grieg for instance- but they are indeed rare items. I believe Gary Gilmour could have been a very good all rounder if had laid off the grog and trained.
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I'm pretty sure that, allowed to play Test cricket, Mike Procter would have been at least the second best all-rounder ever. His first class bowling average over 23 years was under 20, he averaged 36 with the bat. His highest score was 254 which was his 6th consecutive hundred. He was the second man to hit 6 sixes in an over. And on and on.
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I'm pretty sure that, allowed to play Test cricket, Mike Procter would have been at least the second best all-rounder ever. His first class bowling average over 23 years was under 20, he averaged 36 with the bat. His highest score was 254 which was his 6th consecutive hundred. He was the second man to hit 6 sixes in an over. And on and on.
Oh yes, I missed him - he was fantastic. I tend to remember the Pollocks and Barry Richards and I overlooked him from that series when Australia was thrashed.
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India post 352, a big score, but I can't help thinking it might not be enough - I think Aus will challenge the total. Should be a good finish!
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India post 352, a big score, but I can't help thinking it might not be enough - I think Aus will challenge the total. Should be a good finish!
I watched the first innings and it would be a hell of a chase. Unprecedented by a good amount in the CWC and at this ground. But at least Australia know what needs to be done. Would be devastating for India, because they chose to bat and played it exactly the way they wanted to.
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One of these two would need to score a really big hundred. I don't think it's on the cards.
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I don't think Aus are going fast enough here, they have it all to do.

Bigger over there.
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And Australia can't catch them. All out on the last ball. Great match by the Indian bowlers.
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It's always hard to tell whether it's great bowling or score pressure in a game like this, but certainly India's batsmen handled Australia's bowlers much better than the other way round. At one point I thought India might end up about 320-3, but they had great acceleration at the end and the bowlers never let Australia get away. Warner was never at the races, which didn't help his side at all.

Oh, and will someone please do something about the zing bails? It's hard enough for the bowlers in modern ODI cricket without randomly giving batsmen lives because the stumps are set up wrong.
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Oh, and will someone please do something about the zing bails? It's hard enough for the bowlers in modern ODI cricket without randomly giving batsmen lives because the stumps are set up wrong.
I've no problem with a visual aid but I've assumed that both stumps and bails must be of a standard weight and behave in the same way as non-flashy ones. If the bails are heavier than usual then that does change the nature of "out" decisions but apparently they are not heavier than "windy" bails. Go figure. Of course pure weight is not always the sole issue as the composition of the stumps may also change the nature of energy transfer but I don't know anything about that.

There have always been cases of bails not dislodging. Anyone who has played the game will have seen such incidents. So the question is, are these bails really harder to dislodge or is it just that we have a visual key that emphasises the times when they are hit and don't fall when previously we just didn't see it?

Thing is, they can't really change it right now, seeing as everyone is playing with the same kit the most they can do is change it for the semis.
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South Africa vs WIndies game today. South Africa will be looking to spark their campaign into life, and a loss here would probably see the end of any chance of sneaking into the semis. The semi final spots are still wide open though, and a win for WI puts them in a decent position.

I reckon WI will take the game!
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Of course pure weight is not always the sole issue as the composition of the stumps may also change the nature of energy transfer but I don't know anything about that.
I was listening to The Cricketer Podcast* the other day, and Simon Hughes was saying that he's in a truck where all the stumps are "charged" to ensure that the lights come on throughout the game, so he's got his hands on some of them. Apparently, it's not the bails so much - he suggested that the weight of the bails was somewhere between normal and bails for windy conditions - but the groove in the top of the stumps is a little deeper than would normally be the case and, more pertinently, the stumps are made out of some sort of composite material which - to his mind - is heavier and more rigid than a normal wooden stump. He is hypothesising that the stumps are the actual problem - that they're capable of absorbing more energy from a ball without dislodging the bails than would otherwise be the case.

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Raining in Southampton with SA on 29/2 after 7.3 overs. Would they be the happier side to see it rained off from here, or do they need to go all out for the win to have any chance?

Great quote on Cricinfo: "It's the sort of weather that leaves sheep waterlogged.".
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I don't think either side will be happy with losing the point, to be honest. SA now need to win all their games and still might not qualify.

Weather forecast for Bristol tomorrow isn't looking promising either.
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