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And tonight Australia versus NZ- according to ESPN Australia hasn't played the Kiwi's in a ODI for two years. Seems a bit odd.
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Pakistan playing Afghanistan first. Two points to Pakistan and England will really start feeling the heat.

NZ really do need to win this one. I don't feel confident at all.
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Old 06-29-2019, 05:13 AM
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I thought Afghanistan would actually win a few games (of course they can still win this one). They have done well but just fallen short in a lot of games.
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And tonight Australia versus NZ- according to ESPN Australia hasn't played the Kiwi's in a ODI for two years. Seems a bit odd.
They played 3 friendlies against them in May - the first games back for Warner and Smith.

It was New Zealand's turn to host the Chappell-Hadlee trophy last year, but they cancelled it in favour of a T20 tri-series which included the England side that had just completed an Ashes tour. Well, not the same players but you know what I mean.
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Old 06-29-2019, 02:57 PM
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Well that was pretty awful from New Zealand.
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That folks, is why the old school ODI thinking of AUS has won 5 WCs to date and the new school ODI thinking of ENG has yet to be proved.

88 off 129 still represents an innings of merit on a “fair” wicket and fielding well is as much about winning as putting a half volley on leg into the car park over the cover boundary.
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Old 06-29-2019, 05:38 PM
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Bat your 50 and get your opponent out on their's remains a good strategy I guess.
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Old 06-29-2019, 08:49 PM
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They played 3 friendlies against them in May - the first games back for Warner and Smith.

It was New Zealand's turn to host the Chappell-Hadlee trophy last year, but they cancelled it in favour of a T20 tri-series which included the England side that had just completed an Ashes tour. Well, not the same players but you know what I mean.
Thanks don't ask. I'm afraid I have no interest in T20 cricket so can't remember it.

And I see I have turned Khawaja into the rock of the Australian side by saying he shouldn't be there. Obviously there have been many good performances and (from an Australian perspective) it is heartening to see the side win when the main batting performers have an off day. Carey certainly deserves mention for his performances throughout the tournament.

As for NZ, they are starting to look like they could be in strife.
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Old 06-30-2019, 05:50 AM
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England certainly riding their luck and have posted an excellent run rate so far. Virat Kohli must be smiling at the prospect of batting on the strip.
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England certainly riding their luck and have posted an excellent run rate so far. Virat Kohli must be smiling at the prospect of batting on the strip.
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ENG 160-1 after a top notch catch to dismiss Roy.
Give ‘em a road and they’ll belt you for 350 plus.

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Old 06-30-2019, 06:37 AM
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Sorry for the double post but I am having lots of difficulties with the board over the last few days.

Both Australia and RSA scored over 430 in a ODI in 2006 so it is possible if you have very good batsmen- and not so good bowlers.
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Sorry for the double post but I am having lots of difficulties with the board over the last few days.

Both Australia and RSA scored over 430 in a ODI in 2006 so it is possible if you have very good batsmen- and not so good bowlers.
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.. and playing on postage stamp sized grounds.
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Old 06-30-2019, 07:42 AM
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That's a bit harsh. Those short boundaries are 5 metres bigger than those in under 16 cricket.
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My mistake, I just saw the graphic, they are in fact shorter than in those in under 16 cricket.
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IND to chase 338.
I’m thinking IND can do it , but I’m going to crash. Don’t mind me.
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Old 06-30-2019, 09:21 AM
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England keeping a lid on it early, especially Woakes, but India have the firepower to get these if things go well. A lot depends on how much control Rashid and perhaps Root can find.
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Win for England!

Massively improves our chances of going through to the semis, and pokes a small hole in India's chances - they do have to win another game to be certain, but they still should do it.
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Another game, another team's wave function collapses. Turns out the Bangladeshi semi-final tiger was dead in it's bo.
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I'm more nervous about tomorrow than I have been for a long time - NZ have virtually no pressure on them, whereas England know that if they lose, they are very likely out. Praying for rain would be hopelessly craven (and, for once, unlikely to be successful), so we just need to hope for a solid couple of partnerships in the batting, whether we get to go first or second. Winning the toss would be extra handy.
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IMHO what is required is for ENG to win without needing the ducks precisely lined up for them.
The old “lose the toss and get sent in on a pitch with a bit in it, cop a couple of dodgy decisions, bit of a collapse in the middle, post a competitive total and defend it” strategy.

AUS lost their top order for crackers vs WI and NZ and still won.
Has there been any other team who have shown any comparable flexibility?
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I'm guessing NZ lose but sneak through on runrate. Other than Williamson and Taylor our batsmen have been woeful all tournament.
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Old 07-03-2019, 04:57 AM
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Goodness me, the difference between this England team with Roy and without is stark - 48/0 off the first six overs. Admittedly most of the scoring has been by Bairstow (as in the last game) but it must be at least partly down to Roy's influence. I don't think I've seen a team more transformed by the presence of a single player since Flintoff (or perhaps Pietersen, though not always in a positive way).

At this rate (literally) NZ are going to have to start worrying about NRR. Not that it's over yet of course, by a long way - still anybody's game. But it's certainly the start I wanted to see.
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At this rate (literally) NZ are going to have to start worrying about NRR. Not that it's over yet of course, by a long way - still anybody's game. But it's certainly the start I wanted to see.
I think this unlikely. I was reading on Cricbuzz this morning that, if England put up 300 exactly, NZ would have to lose by fewer than 212 runs to avoid being knocked out by a narrow Pakistan win.

The permutations on this are obviously endless, but, if England win, you'd think NZ getting within 30-50 of the England score will likely be enough for them.

I agree that they can't let England put up an enormous score as that will pressurise the run chase - but it's a bit early in the game to be too worried. 2 or 3 wickets and the England expected total should drop significantly.
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:48 AM
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Unlikely yes, but if I were a Pakistan fan right now, I think I'd be tempted to switch from supporting NZ to hoping England do indeed trounce them.

Once today's match is over, if England do win then Pakistan will know exactly what winning margin is required, which will make the tactics for their game interesting. The likely scenario is that at some point in the second innings of that game, it will become practically impossible (and then mathematically impossible) for Pakistan to qualify, potentially with a good portion of the game still to go.

Anyway, this is all very pre-emptive on my part - long way to go today yet.
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It's a massacre at present. I believe it is a belter of a pitch and a small ground but even so, can NZ match England for 50 overs?
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It's actually one of the bigger grounds, which makes the number of boundaries even more impressive. But yes, the wicket has been deemed probably the best batting track of the tournament so far, according to my feed. In theory NZ ought to be able to make use of that too, but winning the toss was massive here.
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That's a bit harsh. Those short boundaries are 5 metres bigger than those in under 16 cricket.
I'm a bit lost- are we talking of Wanderers Ground?
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It's a massacre at present.
The old adage of judging your current batting position based on if you lost two wickets applies.

4-214 off 34 opens the possibility of keeping ENG to about 300.
I think they’ll do better than that but not 350.
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I'm a bit lost- are we talking of Wanderers Ground?
The square boundary that day at Edgbaston was 59 metres, less than the 60 metres for under 16 cricket in Sydney. Virat Kohli then mentioned it post-match, perhaps feeling that it was, in fact, no coincidence.

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“It is quite bizarre on a flat pitch. It is crazy things fall in place like that randomly.”

England’s batsmen deliberately targeted the shorter boundaries, sending the majority of their 13 sixes soaring over the rope on that side of the ground.
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The square boundary that day at Edgbaston was 59 metres, less than the 60 metres for under 16 cricket in Sydney. Virat Kohli then mentioned it post-match, perhaps feeling that it was, in fact, no coincidence.
Bowl better Virat. Attack that short boundary yourself Virat. It's not like the dimensions of the ground changed when India were batting. India hit 1 6 in the innings and only did it in the final overs. The boundary was short - fine. But this, if it came out of an Englishman's mouth, would be dismissed as a whinge and rightly so
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The old adage of judging your current batting position based on if you lost two wickets applies.

4-214 off 34 opens the possibility of keeping ENG to about 300.
I think they’ll do better than that but not 350.
This is looking like a decent prediction.
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Indeed, at the rate wickets are going down, 300 not looking that easy.

This run chase is going to be agony. NZ could very easily win this, especially if Williamson and Taylor come to the party, or Guptill finally gets it right and goes off at the top of the order/
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NZ to chase 307. Game in the balance.
Whoever wins this deserves to be a semi finalist.
I can’t pick it, and I’m going to bed.
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The bookmakers have England $1.33 and New Zealand $3.25 - about 79% to 21%.
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The bookmakers have England $1.33 and New Zealand $3.25 - about 79% to 21%.
NZ seem pretty good value to me, if that's the case.
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Indeed, I'd put it maybe 60/40. England still favourites, but it's tighter than I'd like.
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NZ seem pretty good value to me, if that's the case.
Well, they are $5 now.
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Well, they are $5 now.
And presumably further out now. 14/2.

This is the game I reckon - if England can get Taylor and Williamson before they're going, we should breeze this. On the other hand, these are the guys who could knock off the bulk of it themselves.
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Indeed. If we can can get them both cheaply, Pakistan's hopes are looking up again!

From cricinfo: "threads a low nick, quite deliberately between keeper and slip!" - bollocks, unless the only slip in place is at second or third (which I suppose is possible) there's no way that was exactly the intended angle of the shot. More likely it was meant to be wide of first slip.
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Williamson run out backing up, off the merest deflection off Mark Wood's hand in his follow through. 61/3.
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Another run out - kamikaze stuff from NZ and Taylor goes.

69/4. If England can't defend their total from here, they don't deserve to be in the semis.
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Indeed. Useful little partnership for the fifth wicket just broken, too - 123/5. Williamson was rather unlucky but at this stage of the tournament, we'll certainly take it!
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Stokes comes onto bowl, first ball, a loosener, is predictably ropey - but is clubbed by De Grandhomme to deep midwicket. It's 129/6 now.
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Looks like it's going to be very unlikely that Pakistan is going to be able to overturn their NRR deficit, even if NZ were to collapse all out without further scoring (they would have to score something like 400 and bowl Bangladesh out for 90ish, according to the radio, and every run NZ score makes it worse).

EDIT: Does look like NZ are chasing a safe NRR score rather than the winning score now, which doesn't make for exciting cricket.

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I can't say I blame NZ for batting for their NRR. If it were England in that position, i would be imploring them to do the same. This is the nature of the tournament format, unfortunately.

Pakistan getting thrashed by WI in the first game and getting a rain out v Sri Lanka, plus NZ getting a rain out against India - any one of those probably the difference. One their own fault, the other two...well, it was sadly predictable that someone would get screwed by the weather. Looks like it's Pakistan, even if they could have helped themselves against WI rather more than they did.
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Yeah, I feel for them but ultimately no team can say that it was really taken out of their hands. NZ were slightly fortunate to prevail in two close games and that's the real difference.
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All over - England win by 119 runs and go through. Australia and India have matches remaining (SA and SL respectively), the results of which will sort out who comes first and second, and thus set the semi final bracket. NZ should finish 4th - if it is mathematically possible for NZ to get knocked out, practically it is not, I would say.
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You're right, I overestimated the likelihood of the NRR equalising - apparently Pakistan would need to score 400 and then bowl Bangladesh out for 84.

Obviously Pakistan will bat if they win the toss, if they don't I believe they are out immediately, which would probably become the answer to a future trivia question. The most entertaining game would occur if they do make it to 400, but it's all incredibly unlikely.
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