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"Fox anchor on Epstein charges: "Why now? 11 years ago that then-secret plea deal was reached, why is the US government taking another run at putting him behind bars."
If one actually watches the tape in context this kind of misrepresents the meaning of this question. It was an introductory question that meant "So, Mister Guest, please explain what is happening," not an editorial question that implied "This should not be happening."
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Democrats can't be bothered to attack Acosta

They've apparently decided "politics ain't beanbag" means that throwing beanbags is more than they should do.

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All the Fox website headlines I saw yesterday were implicating Clinton and the Democrats. I'm guessing some Republicans are about to be exposed.
Maybe in more ways than one.
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As I’ve been following this story, there is one thing that I find a little surprising. Everyone seems awfully incurious about the source and legitimacy of Epstein’s gargantuan wealth. There was some attention given to this old Vanity Fair article because of the revelation that the information the reporter uncovered about his rapes was edited from the story without the author’s consent. But I found what the story said as interesting as what it didn’t say.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003...epstein-200303

I’ll admit that I’ve always had an interest in the mechanics of financial crimes. And I have to say the red flags are waving wildy in breeze and no one seems to notice.

1. Epstein allegedly manages the investments of clients worth 1 billion or more. Because they allegedly demand privacy, no one knows who his clients are or how many he has.

2. As per the linked article, there seems to be a cloud around his dismissal from his early job at Bear Stearns, and malfeasance is implied

3. At some time after he left Bear Stearns, he became a close friend and highly paid consultant to financier Steven Hoffenberg. Hoffenberg was later found to be running a massive Ponzi scheme and spent 15 years in federal prison. Epstein seems to have been a player in some shady Hoffenberg dealings.

4. Epstein’s current financial management business doesn’t have much of a footprint. If he really was legitimately managing large sums of money, one would expect to see him executing large trades and transactions. He would be dealing with brokers and market making firms. But this activity seems to be strangely missing.

5. Their is a wealth of circumstantial evidence that suggests that the dude is a sociopath.

#4, especially, keeps bringing me back to comparisons to Madoff. Because Madoff’s business would’ve failed all but the most casual scrutiny but no one ever looked too hard. Mostly because his clients ( the more knowledgeable ones, at least) had to know or at least strongly suspect that he was cheating, but they thought they were the benefactors, not the marks.

And Epstein’s previous sex conviction incarceration was structured so he never had to miss a day of work. Not sure if that’s relevant, but a lot of financial crimes committed by employees have been revealed when they go on vacation. Which is why certain employees of investment firms have to take a mandated vacation every year and they aren’t allowed to work during that time.

It’s just something to keep my eye on. I wouldn’t be surprised if there aren’t some bankrupted billionaires before this is all said and done.

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Old 07-09-2019, 09:32 AM
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As Iíve been following this story, there is one thing that I find a little surprising. Everyone seems awfully incurious about the source and legitimacy of Epsteinís gargantuan wealth.
Author Tim O'Brien mentioned this last night on Lawrence O'Donnell's show:

Jeffrey Epstein, Called ĎTerrificí By Trump, Charged With Sex Trafficking | The Last Word | MSNBC

Mention at about 14:30 mins into clip. O'Brien notes the similarity with the unknown sources of money that flow into the Trump Organization.
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I'm weirdly fascinated by an aspect of Epstein's history that I just learned about...

When Epstein was 20 years old he was hired to teach mathematics at the very prestigious and private preparatory Dalton School in NYC despite not having a college degree. Who hired an unqualified future pedophile to teach coeducational high school classes? Donald Barr who is attorney general William Barr's father.

What the shit? Really?
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For those who don't want to politicize this case, I will say the actions of AG Barr is making it hard not to do so.

1. First he was going to recuse himself because his old law firm handled the Acosta settlement for Epstein.
2. Whoops! Gotta take that one back!
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Who hired an unqualified future pedophile to teach coeducational high school classes? Donald Barr who is attorney general William Barr's father.
In fairness, "future pedophile" is unlikely to appear in a background check.

High school yearbook, maybe.
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I think Epsteinís probable financial crimes are in a different league than Trumpís. I suspect that the Trump Organization is involved in money-laundering and all sorts of illegal leveraging of their financial assets. But they do have visible assets, even though they are overpriced and shoddily built.

Whereas I suspect Epstein is involved in actual outright theft (Ponzi style), major league blackmail, or a combination of the two.
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Old 07-09-2019, 12:45 PM
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I think Epsteinís probable financial crimes are in a different league than Trumpís. I suspect that the Trump Organization is involved in money-laundering and all sorts of illegal leveraging of their financial assets. But they do have visible assets, even though they are overpriced and shoddily built.

Whereas I suspect Epstein is involved in actual outright theft (Ponzi style), major league blackmail, or a combination of the two.
Knowing that Trumps 'tastes' lean toward younger women, one wonders if he is one that was blackmailed.

And/or if he laundered money that Epstein blackmailed from others.
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And/or if he laundered money that Epstein blackmailed from others.
Or Epstein himself has been laundering money for overseas sex trade contacts.
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His rise to wealth seems rather improbable. He dropped out of two colleges (Cooper Union and NYU). The Wikipedia entry describing his career starts this way:
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Epstein taught calculus and physics at the Dalton School in Manhattan from 1973 to 1975. In 1976, Epstein started work as an options trader at Bear Stearns, where he worked in the special products division, advising high-net-worth clients on tax strategies. Proving successful in his financial career, Epstein became a limited partner at Bear Stearns in 1980.
The source for a lot of that information is this article in New York magazine, published in 2002, before his legal problems in Florida.
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In all honesty, I do not understand why banging children has so often been treated as a quirk in "sophisticated" circles. Roman Polanski, Jeffery Epstein, Kevin Spacey, those British dudes. God only knows how many others.
Conspicuous consumption.

Sleeping with a 14-year-old and getting away with it is a way of showing your peers how rich and powerful you are - "I do what I want and nobody can touch me." It works, too.
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Y'know, if Trump were laundering blackmail payments to Epstein through his various companies, that would explain both how Epstein managed to get so rich and how Trump managed to lose money on a casino.
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All the Fox website headlines I saw yesterday were implicating Clinton and the Democrats. I'm guessing some Republicans are about to be exposed.
I checked out Fox while I was at home for lunch. They are pushing hard the tweet from Christine Pelosi about some "faves" being outed in the case. Of course, she said Democrats and Republicans, but they are conveniently leaving out the Republican part. And, of course, shoehorning "Bill Clinton" into any sentence they can.

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For those who don't want to politicize this case, I will say the actions of AG Barr is making it hard not to do so.

1. First he was going to recuse himself because his old law firm handled the Acosta settlement for Epstein.
2. Whoops! Gotta take that one back!
It says that he consulted with ethics officials; didn't say what their response was and whether he ignored their input.
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Knowing that Trumps 'tastes' lean toward younger women, one wonders if he is one that was blackmailed.

And/or if he laundered money that Epstein blackmailed from others.
From a recent article:

"In 2000, a porter who worked next door to Epsteinís Manhattan home told a British newspaper, admiringly, ďI often see Donald Trump and there are loads of models coming and going, mostly at night. Itís amazing.Ē

Note that this was a quote from 2000. Before it was known about Epstein's proclivities. The porter in question here would have no reason to make this up to tarnish Trump or Epstein, as it amounted to nothing at the time except evidence that Epstein was cavorting with the aristocratic class.
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I checked out Fox while I was at home for lunch. They are pushing hard the tweet from Christine Pelosi about some "faves" being outed in the case. Of course, she said Democrats and Republicans, but they are conveniently leaving out the Republican part. And, of course, shoehorning "Bill Clinton" into any sentence they can.
To be somewhat fair, Clinton issued a statement that he's been on Epstein's plane four times when the flight logs reportedly list him a dozen times (I found three separate entries just in 2002, only a few months apart and then gave up counting since it looked pretty slam-dunky, but if anyone wants to do a thorough double-check, feel free to go for it).

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...manifests.html

He also said that they were going to Africa and other charity locations in Europe and Asia. However, the first entry is Miami to New York. Another is from New York to London, which matches what Clinton said. The one after appears to be between Japan and Hong Kong - which feels more like Clinton was just in the area and bummed a ride to Hong Kong than that they were on any sort of real, planned trip together.

We're just looking at a small slice of time. The odds that you happened to only be bumming flights off Epstein just happens to be the same time that his flight logs were confiscated by the law seems suspect.

I'll also note that while it does seem to be that Epstein literally takes his plane everywhere, doing so in a 727 is a pretty odd choice. Usually you would want a bigger airplane if you're crossing the ocean.

Chris Tucker was on the charity event to Africa. It's curious that he is staying silent on the matter, one way or the other.

At any rate, Clinton does deserve the scrutiny, most likely.

But so does Trump. Trump is on the record of knowing about Epstein's fondness for young girls. That's far more damning than just flying together.

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From Wiki - The Later 727's only had a range of 2700 miles. Transatlantic possible but from a short google, would need many modifications.

American Financier Jeffrey Epstein owned a private 727 nicknamed the "Lolita Express".
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I checked out Fox while I was at home for lunch. They are pushing hard the tweet from Christine Pelosi about some "faves" being outed in the case. Of course, she said Democrats and Republicans, but they are conveniently leaving out the Republican part. And, of course, shoehorning "Bill Clinton" into any sentence they can.
I saw the Pelosi article as well. The one thing that concerned me that I read was that on several of the Clinton trips with Epstein, he would ditch his secret service coverage for those specific trips. Hmmmm.
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What's driving me crazy about this case is that I feel that the more of a political football it becomes - and that's only going to continue to increase - the LESS likely it is that the scumbag is going to be dealt with properly by the court. I'm not a lawyer but I have the intuitive feeling that the more media attention his trial receives, the more likely it is that there will be a mistrial or some other failure of the justice system.
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His rise to wealth seems rather improbable. He dropped out of two colleges (Cooper Union and NYU). The Wikipedia entry describing his career starts this way:

The source for a lot of that information is this article in New York magazine, published in 2002, before his legal problems in Florida.
Good article, thanks.

I know that a lot of these mathematical types have come up with algorithms and/or computer models that have made them very successful traders. And a lot of them are rich and it’s legit. But it’s hard to get Epstein rich doing that. Because you can’t really put massive sums into these intricate trades. It’s like betting at the track— you might bet a couple of hundred on the long shot and make a good return. But if you tried to bet 100K on the longshot, it wouldn’t be the long shot anymore. It’s amazing how blinding money and success can be.

And #QANON is twittering tonight. Because ITS HAPPENING. THE STORM IS HERE. The pizzagate pedophile ring is coming down. Mass imprisonments at Guantanamo are coming soon. They were right! They told us so! The Trump connection is strangely missing from their narrative.

And Acosta is pretending that there’s all this new evidence, and the reason Acosta let him off easy before
Was a lack of evidence. Liar. Spineless wimp.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/09/polit...eal/index.html

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...On March 11, 2019, Epstein got a new shipment from the port in the U.S. Virgin Islands. This time, it was sent to his New York townhouse, and itís listed in maritime records as a tile and carpet extractor that weighed 191 pounds....
When it comes to serious records waste paper disposal and DNA dust cleanup, the light cheap flimsy models simply won't do!
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In fairness, "future pedophile" is unlikely to appear in a background check.
In further fairness, not having completed a college degree does not automatically make someone "unqualified" to teach high school. I myself had an excellent high school English teacher who was a twentyish English major taking a year off from college.
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What's driving me crazy about this case is that I feel that the more of a political football it becomes - and that's only going to continue to increase - the LESS likely it is that the scumbag is going to be dealt with properly by the court. I'm not a lawyer but I have the intuitive feeling that the more media attention his trial receives, the more likely it is that there will be a mistrial or some other failure of the justice system.
Ideally this should be non-political. People tied into Epstein's behavior are republicans, democrats and non-political people both domestic and foreign.

But sadly because high ranking people on both parties are tied into it, that creates an incentive to bury what happened and not investigate. The same way Obama said 'we have to look forward, not backwards' about the torture program under Bush because a true investigation would implicate high ranking people in both parties (some of the torture program started under Clinton & Gore for example). It sucks. I hope the SDNY does the right thing, and I sincerely hope NY state functions as a backup in case the SDNY case is interfered with by Barr & Trump.
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Wow, a Republican this or that. You must be Soooo proud of yourself. Maybe list all of the Democrats doing the same thing so we can decide which group is more corrupt. Or not, your stuck backing Hillary who supported Bill and shafted Bernie. Bonus question, what is the Clinton Global Initiative doing nowadays? Did they fix Haiti with Billions donated to them?
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Starr obtained from Attorney General Janet Reno permission to investigate the matter.
Wait! What the hell? She should have recused herself. What corrupt double-dealing. Anyone here that's a Democrat appalled by this? Hillary was up to her eyeballs in bimbo eruptions. And you want to smear Trump. Sad, little people aren't you. Carry on with your self-righteousness because, that's all you got except for projection.
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Wow, a Republican this or that. You must be Soooo proud of yourself. Maybe list all of the Democrats doing the same thing so we can decide which group is more corrupt. Or not, your stuck backing Hillary who supported Bill and shafted Bernie. Bonus question, what is the Clinton Global Initiative doing nowadays? Did they fix Haiti with Billions donated to them?
Don't you mean "Billary?"
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Thereís about 2 dozen democrats running for President right now and none of them are named Clinton. Do try to keep up.
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This was one of the most most prestigious private schools in NYC. He may have done a great job, but I think most of his colleagues were older than 20 and had college degrees.

Somehow even crazier is that his foot in the door at Bear Stearns is that one of his high school student's parents was an exec at Bear Stearns. That seems crazy to me.

"My math teacher is sooo smart."
"Give me his contact info. I've got a job for him."
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Wait! What the hell? She should have recused herself. What corrupt double-dealing. Anyone here that's a Democrat appalled by this? Hillary was up to her eyeballs in bimbo eruptions. And you want to smear Trump. Sad, little people aren't you. Carry on with your self-righteousness because, that's all you got except for projection.
It is almost certain that the Democrats are hypcritical when it comes to Clinton vs. Trump.

Is the right answer to that to somehow hypocritically blame the Democrats for electing Donald "Stupid Clinton" Trump into the office? Or, is to be out on the front trying to get con artists, creeps, and crooks out of politics, party affiliation be damned? I would submit the first option is not a real option and you don't come out looking none too bright by attempting it.

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This was one of the most most prestigious private schools in NYC. He may have done a great job, but I think most of his colleagues were older than 20 and had college degrees.

Somehow even crazier is that his foot in the door at Bear Stearns is that one of his high school student's parents was an exec at Bear Stearns. That seems crazy to me.

"My math teacher is sooo smart."
"Give me his contact info. I've got a job for him."
Not that crazy. It's actually somewhat common for college kids to get teaching jobs at prestigious private schools, especially if they are alumni. I was taught by a few at my (not that prestigious) prep school.

There are no credential requirements to teach at a private school, so often it's a case of "hey, remember that kid from a couple years ago who aced AP calc? He's looking for a job while he takes a year off school." "OK, sounds good."

Epstein didn't go to Dalton, but he would have easily been associated with plenty of Dalton alums at Cooper Union. I don't find it difficult to believe that one of them would have mentioned to his parents that his math-whiz pal was looking for work and it turned out a teaching position was available.
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Saw this item today. Deja vu with the whataboutism regarding Bill Clinton as a deflection. The article is about the reactions to Trump's Hollywood Access pussy-grabbing comments:

ĎMother Is Not Going to Like Thisí: The 48 Hours That Almost Brought Down Trump
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For his part, Trump had agreed after some cajoling to offer a nonapology apology, issuing a statement to the Post that read, ďThis was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf courseónot even close. I apologize if anyone was offended.Ē

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Just after midnight, on Saturday, October 8, the campaign posted a 90-second video clip to Trumpís Facebook page. Against a dark superimposed horizon of illuminated skyscrapers, Trump looked directly into the camera. ďIíve never said Iím a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that Iím not. Iíve said and done things I regret, and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me know these words donít reflect who I am. I said it, I was wrong, and I apologize,Ē he said.

Trump added, ďIíve said some foolish things, but there is a big difference between the words and actions of other people. Bill Clinton has actually abused women and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed, and intimidated his victims. We will discuss this more in the coming days. See you at the debate on Sunday.Ē
So let's point out how bad Bill Clinton is in written and video statements. The "Bill Clinton has actually abused women and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed, and intimidated his victims" is especially rich coming from Trump. Trump is all about projection of his traits onto others.
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Not that crazy. It's actually somewhat common for college kids to get teaching jobs at prestigious private schools, especially if they are alumni. I was taught by a few at my (not that prestigious) prep school.

There are no credential requirements to teach at a private school, so often it's a case of "hey, remember that kid from a couple years ago who aced AP calc? He's looking for a job while he takes a year off school." "OK, sounds good."

Epstein didn't go to Dalton, but he would have easily been associated with plenty of Dalton alums at Cooper Union. I don't find it difficult to believe that one of them would have mentioned to his parents that his math-whiz pal was looking for work and it turned out a teaching position was available.
I think Lance Turbo is talking about his next job: how does one leverage a teaching job into a position at Bear Sterns?
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I think Lance Turbo is talking about his next job: how does one leverage a teaching job into a position at Bear Sterns?
Well, also not that crazy. Up until the late 90s most investment banks didn't require a college degree to get your foot in the door of the trading desk. If you were "good with numbers" and could make a good impression you could get into a training program and then it's sink or swim. Make money for the firm, get a permanent position; lose money, GTFO and make way for the next batch of hopefuls.
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When it comes to serious records waste paper disposal and DNA dust cleanup, the light cheap flimsy models simply won't do!
But I thought he liked his models light and flimsy.


More seriously, I'm not being hypocritical in how I'm treating Democrats vs. Republicans. Both Trump and Bill Clinton have done bad things. But the things we know Trump has done are much worse than the things we know Clinton has done, so it makes sense to treat Trump worse on that account. As for the things we don't know either has done, well, let's investigate this fully, following all of the leads, and whatever pedophile scumbags we find, let's lock them up. If that includes Trump, lock him up. If it includes Clinton, lock him up too. If it includes anyone else, of either political party (though I'll note that Clinton seems to be the only Democratic name anyone's mentioning so far), lock all of them up.
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But I thought he liked his models light and flimsy.


More seriously, I'm not being hypocritical in how I'm treating Democrats vs. Republicans. Both Trump and Bill Clinton have done bad things. But the things we know Trump has done are much worse than the things we know Clinton has done, so it makes sense to treat Trump worse on that account. As for the things we don't know either has done, well, let's investigate this fully, following all of the leads, and whatever pedophile scumbags we find, let's lock them up. If that includes Trump, lock him up. If it includes Clinton, lock him up too. If it includes anyone else, of either political party (though I'll note that Clinton seems to be the only Democratic name anyone's mentioning so far), lock all of them up.
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The article is mostly about Fox's talking heads and their issues, but it contained a tidbit related to this thread.

One day encapsulated everything thatís wrong with Fox News

From revelations about spreading Russian propaganda to making racist attacks, July 9 had it all.

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And thatís not all. Earlier in the day on Tuesday, Fox News used the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein ó a convicted sex offender with ties to Bill Clinton and Donald Trump ó to launch a misinformed attack on President Barack Obama.

Afternoon host Harris Faulkner and Campus Reform editor Lawrence Jones III blamed Obama for the sweetheart plea deal Epstein received in 2008 from Alexander Acosta, a former US attorney who now serves as Trumpís secretary of labor ó even though Obama wasnít even inaugurated as president until January 2009.
To be fair, the guy in the clip didn't mention Obama but did say the deal occurred in 2008 under a Democratic administration.

Probable response of the average Fox viewer: "I knew it!!! Obama's fault!!!"
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New York magazine ran a great article today. It pretty much says what that I posted yesterday regarding Epstein’s probable financial crimes, except it’s better written and has more detail, including a couple of possible scenarios that I didn’t consider.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...s-fortune.html

And if anyone is interested, here’s a 2009 article speculating that Epstein is running a Ponzi scheme.

https://www.businessinsider.com/is-c...-scheme-2009-7

And I found this deliciously snarky op ed in Bloomberg about some of the fawning Epstein magazine profiles. The author comments “Really I should just walk around with a cell phone to my ear declaring my intention to short everything I don’t like. Maybe then someone will buy me an eight story Upper East Side townhouse.”

There is a article on above it on the page, you have to scroll down or read through to get to the Epstein piece. But it’s pretty funny.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/ar...curities-fraud

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“Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?” Acosta had been asked. Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers in the Trump transition, who evidently thought that was a sufficient answer and went ahead and hired Acosta.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffre...in-plain-sight

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The right has apparently come out strong with a defense of Trump, pointing out that 1) Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago and 2) Trump was the most friendly source of information against Epstein in a 2011 suit against him by Virginia Roberts, 3) Trump only ever flew on Epstein's plane once.

So let me point out:

1) What year? Is that before or after Epstein was arrested?
2) Is this before or after Epstein's arrest for criminal activity?
3) Trump gave his daughter, Ivanka, to John Casablancas to personally develop into a professional model when she was 14 years old. This was in 1995. In 1988, Casablancas was popularly reported to be sleeping with 14 year olds as a regular matter and his business associates were on tape taking about driving and raping 13 year old models. This was widely reported in the New York press and it would be ludicrous to think that Trump would be unaware. Trump also worked with the developer Tevfik Arif for most of his property development and Arif was arrested in Turkey in 2010 for soliciting underaged models from former Soviet States to work as prostitutes.

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Old 07-11-2019, 05:52 AM
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That sentence should be "talking about drugging and raping".
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Old 07-11-2019, 08:38 AM
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A fairly decent article:

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/...clusive-Part-1

So far as I can tell, everything in it checks out.
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Somehow that didn't come up in Acosta's statement yesterday. How strange.
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Old 07-11-2019, 01:10 PM
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Interesting.

I guess that, now that CIA has decided that Saudi Arabia is more of an enemy than an asset, they're fine to start burning the bridges.

Nader was also taken in recently.

Countdown to Tom Barrack being brought in...? Though, to be fair, I don't know that Barrack has actually done all that much slimy compared to the rest of Trump's gang. I'd be willing - so far - to put him into the category of schmoozer extraordinaire rather than a true criminal like Elliott Broidy or Epstein.
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