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Cut and dried is a common expression that I've used since childhood.
Since you were an 11-year-old teenager?
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Since you were an 11-year-old teenager?
Since he was eleventeen, obviously.
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Strange things in Northern BC: quintuple murder, by one guy, or triple murder by two guys?


Mayor of Port Albernini, where the two teens were from, gives a good interview about the effect it's all been having in the town, the availability of counselling for teenagers who were at school with the two, and so on.

Also expresses her sympathy for the residents of Gillam, two provinces over, who went through lockdowns and searches and were concerned for their personal safety.

Floaty Gimpy, hope you're holding up okay!

https://beta.ctvnews.ca/national/can...1_4540655.html
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Mounties have stated that they've found something near the bodies that may be of interest in explaining what happened in BC; further announcement may follow.

RCMP in Gillam find new item that ‘may be of interest’ in B.C. homicide investigation
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and a war of words between sister of the woman killed in BC and the father of one of the suspects:

Sister of B.C. murder victim accuses Bryer Schmegelsky's dad of failing to take responsibility
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I'm not saying she's wrong, but that's a nasty, self-centered letter she wrote about a guy she feels is being too self-centered.
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That was my reaction as well. She didn't come across as a nice person.
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That was my reaction as well. She didn't come across as a nice person.
I believe that her not being nice is understandable under the circumstances.
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Cause of death will be determined by an autopsy but I'm going to guess suicide was a likely possibility, as they were in deep wilderness with no resources and the whole country on the lookout for them.
"RCMP confirmed Monday the two bodies found in northern Manitoba last week are those of homicide suspects, Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky, and said the two died in what appears to be suicides by gunfire."
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and a war of words between sister of the woman killed in BC and the father of one of the suspects:

Sister of B.C. murder victim accuses Bryer Schmegelsky's dad of failing to take responsibility
I try not to judge by appearances but he is one weird-looking dude, looks like the archetypal "bad parent" from central casting.
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The news this evening revealed that police are saying both their deaths were suicide by gunshot.
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They're also going to be comparing the guns to those that killed the other three, I suspect that's will just confirm what most people already suspect, that they were murdered by the pair.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...arby-says-rcmp
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I wish they'd been captured alive. At least then we could ask ... why?

I did some reading and saw suggestions that they were obsessed with the Azov Battalion. That's a neo-Nazi Russian militia based in occupied Ukraine. (And while they deny these political leanings, they frequently wear Nazi armbands.) This battalion doesn't make sense. The Nazis literally hated Russians. (Bryer Schmegelsky is of Ukrainian descent.)
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I'm thinking - under the circumstances, how are the police going to tell the difference between a double-suicide and a murder-suicide?
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I wish they'd been captured alive. At least then we could ask ... why?

I did some reading and saw suggestions that they were obsessed with the Azov Battalion. That's a neo-Nazi Russian militia based in occupied Ukraine. (And while they deny these political leanings, they frequently wear Nazi armbands.) This battalion doesn't make sense. The Nazis literally hated Russians. (Bryer Schmegelsky is of Ukrainian descent.)
The only good thing about Nazis is that they killed a lot of Russians.
The only good thing about Russians is that they killed a lot of Nazis.
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I wish they'd been captured alive. At least then we could ask ... why?

I did some reading and saw suggestions that they were obsessed with the Azov Battalion. That's a neo-Nazi Russian militia based in occupied Ukraine. (And while they deny these political leanings, they frequently wear Nazi armbands.) This battalion doesn't make sense. The Nazis literally hated Russians. (Bryer Schmegelsky is of Ukrainian descent.)
Why would you believe them? They were criminally crazy; there's no sense to what they did.
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Why would you believe them? They were criminally crazy; there's no sense to what they did.
Yes, they were insane.
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I'm thinking - under the circumstances, how are the police going to tell the difference between a double-suicide and a murder-suicide?
Both of them had gunpowder traces on one hand, perhaps?
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Both of them had gunpowder traces on one hand, perhaps?
"Hey, could you shoot that stump over there?"
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"Just as a favor."
Blam. "Happy?"
"Sure, now let me try it with your gun."
Blam.
"You, you ... shot me ..."
Different blam.
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I'm thinking - under the circumstances, how are the police going to tell the difference between a double-suicide and a murder-suicide?
Angle of entry is a major one. While possible to match what someone would do for a suicide, it is very difficult. Police and forensic analysts can be ridiculously good at deconstructing the events.

That is, if they really care. All they really want to do is eliminate any possibility of a third person on the scene. Once they are confident that it was just the two of them, what meaningful difference would there be between murder/suicide vs double-suicide?
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Angle of entry is a major one. While possible to match what someone would do for a suicide, it is very difficult. Police and forensic analysts can be ridiculously good at deconstructing the events.

That is, if they really care. All they really want to do is eliminate any possibility of a third person on the scene. Once they are confident that it was just the two of them, what meaningful difference would there be between murder/suicide vs double-suicide?
Notifying next of kin. Police and the courts like to know exactly what happened in legal situations.
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