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Old 08-04-2019, 11:22 AM
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I believe you meant "cannot go back to school shopping and be safe".

And you're right. We do know what can be done to minimize this carnage: gun control.
We have gun control now and it doesn't work worth a damn.

What we need is insane people control.
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Old 08-04-2019, 12:05 PM
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We have gun control now and it doesn't work worth a damn.

What we need is insane people control.
Since gun control doesn't work, you should find out how "insane people control" is done in every civilized country in the world, every one of which except the USA has minimal gun violence and virtually no mass shootings. They must totally have figured out how to eliminate crazy people from their midst, and surely if they have instant insanity cures, it would be good to know how it's done, instead of wasting time on this "gun control" silliness!
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I have this hunch that some people don't want to admit that the kinds of things the gun-control advocates want would actually do something to address the issue. That is, they don't want to be schooled by the loony, leftist, liberal weenies about common sense actions. They're like children who go and play in the rock quarry, not because they really like rocks, but because Mom and Dad told them not to.
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Dayton: 9 dead, 16 injured

If there were 3 ISIS-inspired attacks killing 32 and injuring 54 across 3 states in one week CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE the policy options we would be discussing right now.
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But it's white supremacist white guys (at least 2 out of 3, don't know about Dayton yet) so thoughts and prayers.
I think we've now seen what the right-wing plan is:

1. Thoughts and prayers
2. Ignore the fact that right-wing white nationalist killers are murdering people at will
3. When it's brought up, have the right wing media spin a number of egregious lies, blaming others
4. If other media bring up the right-wing white nationalist murders, FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS! and have the president announce more tariffs on China to distract people.

I'm starting to think that Trump and his advisors and media see the path to electoral victory in 2020 in a full blown violent race war. They seem to be stoking one very nicely.

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Old 08-04-2019, 12:27 PM
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I’m a gun owner. I own a single pistol that I keep locked up in a safe, so that my kids won’t get their hands on it, and hopefully if my house is robbed a thief would find it too much of a hassle to steal (it’s bolted to a heavy piece of furniture).

I went through firearms training and I know how to be safe. My gun is registered and I applied for and received a concealed pistol license (which expired, I never renewed it). I went through a background check which confirms no history of mental illness or violent crime.

I don’t carry my pistol around though I could. I have it because in the event that there is an intruder in my home, I have an effective way to defend myself and my family until the cops show up. (Calling 911 is the first thing I’d do.) I have no desire to be a “good guy with a gun” because in the event of an active shooter, I don’t want the authorities to show up knowing there are one or more people shooting folks and see me with a gun. Sounds like a good way to get myself killed.

I don’t want to give up my right to defend my home and my family but I don’t have any problem with limiting the number or type of weapon I have, requiring background checks and training, and not letting me carry it anywhere I want.

I don’t know where that puts me on the political spectrum.
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So we have two problems, one of which is solvable, but we don't want to (gun control); and one of which baffles the hell out of me and I have no idea what the solution is (why do we have so many lunatics).
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I donít want to give up my right to defend my home and my family but I donít have any problem with limiting the number or type of weapon I have, requiring background checks and training, and not letting me carry it anywhere I want.

I donít know where that puts me on the political spectrum.
A radical lefty socialist gun-grabber.
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Old 08-04-2019, 12:37 PM
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Since gun control doesn't work, you should find out how "insane people control" is done in every civilized country in the world, every one of which except the USA has minimal gun violence and virtually no mass shootings. They must totally have figured out how to eliminate crazy people from their midst, and surely if they have instant insanity cures, it would be good to know how it's done, instead of wasting time on this "gun control" silliness!
As an outsider, I can't help thinking that something is fundamentally broken in the U.S. I don't know what it is, but I'm not sure gun control will work.

There have been similar killings in many countries, but the frequency and total randomness in the U.S. is unique, among developed countries. It reminds me more of a suicide bomber in Mogadishu walking into a market and blowing up himself and a bunch of other people.

While, on a personal level, I think that U.S. gun laws are insane, restricting gun ownership will not fix that which is broken. As we've seen in numerous countries, absent guns, the perp will drive a truck, make a bomb, release sarin or whatever else facilitates the mass murder.
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A radical lefty socialist gun-grabber.
Yeah, pretty much. Anyone who doesn't think that every single person has the right to buy weapons that can kill 1000 people in under five minutes is obviously a communist, in the eyes of the NRA and their gun manufacturer masters and the millions who are hoodwinked by their propaganda.

So the lieutenant governor of Texas thinks prayer in school would solve the problem. Fucking asshole. Every time some asshole advocates bringing back prayer in schools I want to ask- Whose prayers exactly? Dumb fucks.
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I’m a gun owner. I own a single pistol that I keep locked up in a safe, so that my kids won’t get their hands on it, and hopefully if my house is robbed a thief would find it too much of a hassle to steal (it’s bolted to a heavy piece of furniture).

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I don’t know where that puts me on the political spectrum.
Sane.

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Could I get a moderator to fix the title of this thread. I was too shaken and upset when I wrote it. Thank you.
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I think itís more effective with the typo, for the reason you just stated.
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If there were 3 ISIS-inspired attacks killing 32 and injuring 54 across 3 states in one week CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE the policy options we would be discussing right now.
But it's white supremacist white guys (at least 2 out of 3, don't know about Dayton yet) so thoughts and prayers.
Brooklyn residents are upset that a mass shooting on the 27th isn't getting much attention outside of NYC.

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Don't know the motivations of the Ohio shooter yet, but the Texas shooter was obviously inspired by the anti-immigrant racist rhetoric coming from the usurper in the White House. Those dead in Texas were murdered because of The Donald. Their blood is on his orange hands.

Yeah, sure things can be fixed. Sensible gun controls. What's going to be done? Republicans saying: "Thoughts and prayers for Texas. Thoughts and prayers for Ohio. There, I've done my part."

The gun control part I am really skeptical and pessimistic about, as I have always been. Not just about whether we could pass something, but whether it would really make a huge difference with all the guns already out there.

The first part, though, is what I see as the real issue here. We have someone worse than George Wallace in the White House, and the blood is definitely on his hands and those of his enablers. And we should not hesitate to point this out again and again.
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I think we've now seen what the right-wing plan is:

1. Thoughts and prayers
2. Ignore the fact that right-wing white nationalist killers are murdering people at will
3. When it's brought up, have the right wing media spin a number of egregious lies, blaming others
4. If other media bring up the right-wing white nationalist murders, FAKE NEWS! FAKE NEWS! and have the president announce more tariffs on China to distract people.

I'm starting to think that Trump and his advisors and media see the path to electoral victory in 2020 in a full blown violent race war. They seem to be stoking one very nicely.
Reading the comments on the Fox new article about this, there are a number of people who argued that if only the Latinos weren't invading, then people wouldn't get so angry they had to shoot them. So it's all the Democrats fault.
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Like how it’s the woman’s fault if the man beats her, because she went and made him so mad.

ETA: I don’t think the China thing is working in Trump’ favor. Today’s news is very bad for Midwestern farmers.

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Old 08-05-2019, 06:40 PM
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The gun control part I am really skeptical and pessimistic about, as I have always been. Not just about whether we could pass something, but whether it would really make a huge difference with all the guns already out there.
Even if you somehow got rid of all privately-owned guns in the US (snapping your fingers like Thanos in Avengers), that cat’s out of the bag. Sten guns are submachine guns that can be made pretty much in a person’s basement and have been used by various insurgency groups since WWII. So it’s practically impossible for you to eliminate all of them forever given modern levels of technology. Your paranoid apocalyptic Freemen types will figure out a way to make them.

That being said, making them illegal will certainly reduce the number of guns dramatically. It won’t prevent the occurrence of mass shootings but they’d become something rare rather than something that happens so often that you can’t even keep track of them anymore.

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You do??

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So, would gang shootings in New York or Chicago be lessened if instead of the media ignoring them like now, the talking heads yammered on for hours about them first, and THEN ignored them, like they do for white mass shootings now?
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I would dearly love to see someone (major news outlet, for instance) do an analysis of all the mass shootings, and identify which ones might have been prevented by background checks; or by "red alert" actions. And which ones involved assault-style weapons.

It's ironic that Trump, and Lindsey Graham, endorsed red alert laws today, the same day that Trump's Florida Panhandle rally video is getting major air play. A Trump supporter standing up and yelling "Shoot 'em!" only triggers laughs and a joke from the Prez...not a red alert.
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Iím a gun owner. I own a single pistol that I keep locked up in a safe, so that my kids wonít get their hands on it, and hopefully if my house is robbed a thief would find it too much of a hassle to steal (itís bolted to a heavy piece of furniture).

I went through firearms training and I know how to be safe. My gun is registered and I applied for and received a concealed pistol license (which expired, I never renewed it). I went through a background check which confirms no history of mental illness or violent crime.

I donít carry my pistol around though I could. I have it because in the event that there is an intruder in my home, I have an effective way to defend myself and my family until the cops show up. (Calling 911 is the first thing Iíd do.) I have no desire to be a ďgood guy with a gunĒ because in the event of an active shooter, I donít want the authorities to show up knowing there are one or more people shooting folks and see me with a gun. Sounds like a good way to get myself killed.

I donít want to give up my right to defend my home and my family but I donít have any problem with limiting the number or type of weapon I have, requiring background checks and training, and not letting me carry it anywhere I want.

I donít know where that puts me on the political spectrum.
I understand where you're coming from, but the fact is that you are far more likely to kill yourself with your gun than to kill some invader of your house. Are you sure that nothing will ever happen to make you depressed enough to consider suicide? Not having a gun makes suicide more difficult - and less likely to succeed - than having a gun. Even a locked one. Even a registered one.
If you are living in a dangerous area I can understand it. But if you are, move.
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Like how itís the womanís fault if the man beats her, because she went and made him so mad.

ETA: I donít think the China thing is working in Trumpí favor. Todayís news is very bad for Midwestern farmers.
Midwestern farmers will simply blame immigrants for the low crop prices and farm bankruptcies. Either that or Obama.
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I donít want to give up my right to defend my home and my family but I donít have any problem with limiting the number or type of weapon I have, requiring background checks and training, and not letting me carry it anywhere I want.

I donít know where that puts me on the political spectrum.
I don't know, but I espouse what I expect is a pretty radical anti-gun position even by the standards of this board, and I'm perfectly OK with where you are. While I agree with Voyager that a gun in one's home is more likely to kill a family member than an intruder, if you want a handgun to defend yourself and your loved ones against a hypothetical intruder, I don't think I should have the right to stand in your way.

Ditto hunting rifles. Venison is yummy.
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Old 08-05-2019, 08:10 PM
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Guns are a lot like water pollution. The reason I can't swim in Baltimore harbor is because there's too much raw sewage in the water. That sewage isn't historic sewage, it's fresh sewage. If we stopped allowing sewage to go into the harbor untreated, we could swim in the harbor in a month.

All the guns currently out there are a problem, sure, but the bigger problem is new guns. These mass shooters are not typically using guns that they've owned for decades, they are using guns that the purchased recently. Stop selling new guns and the problem dries up pretty quickly.

Stop allowing the transfer of guns between individuals, and we would see a dramatic decline in the flow of weapons from US gun stores to insurgencies and criminals around the world.

If the prepper wants to keep his arsenal to fight off zombies or whatever, fine. If he violates any gun law, then he should lose all his guns. Destroy them. Every year there would be fewer guns in private hands.

Sure, some hobbyist might make a gun, and even ammunition. Some people make their own cars too. I never see them, but I've heard it's true.
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In the thread in MPSIMS someone mentioned a voluntary gun buy-back. Maybe that's a start? I am not American but I personally know people who have guns that they don't want and don't know how to legally get rid of them. A buy-back would bring in a lot of guns.
There are "antiques" dealers who handle guns (it does not need to be ancient ones), and the Mounties may either be willing to take them away or able to recommend someone who can. My mother's neighbor sold some of his husband's weapons to the first after a recommendation from the Spanish version of the second (the cops were happy to auction the rest for her).
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I understand where you're coming from, but the fact is that you are far more likely to kill yourself with your gun than to kill some invader of your house. Are you sure that nothing will ever happen to make you depressed enough to consider suicide? Not having a gun makes suicide more difficult - and less likely to succeed - than having a gun. Even a locked one. Even a registered one.
If you are living in a dangerous area I can understand it. But if you are, move.
I have a gun with the hopes I never have to ever shoot anyone with it.

I also find it fun to fire at the range. So thatís another reason to have it. (Though I never seem to have the time to do that anymore.)

Believe it or not, the idea that Iím more likely to shoot myself with it than someone else is a comfort. Because I donít want to shoot another person, and the odds of shooting myself via suicide is pretty much zero.

I donít live in a dangerous area, exactly, but there seems to be an increasing number of transients nearby (itís becoming a chronic thing in this part of the country) and dangerous things happen. A serial arsonist was caught a few houses down from me. My car was broken into once in my garage. I donít live in fear or anything, and in general itís a nice place, I donít know if I could really move anywhere better without being wealthy. But having a way to defend myself and/or my family if the worst thing happened is something I feel is a responsible precaution.
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De Blasio’s reversal demonstrates the very awkward place political correctness puts politicians and media outlets in when it comes to the 75% of mass shootings in which (per the NY Times) the shooters are black. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. I started a GD thread about this a couple weeks back.
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De Blasioís reversal demonstrates the very awkward place political correctness puts politicians and media outlets in when it comes to the 75% of mass shootings in which (per the NY Times) the shooters are black. Damned if they do, damned if they donít. I started a GD thread about this a couple weeks back.
That's an interesting statistic--care to link?

Now, using Mother Jones's methodology, one gets an entirely different percentage--17%.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...nes-full-data/
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And in Emma Fridel's paper "A Multivariate Comparison of Family, Felony, and Public Mass Murders in the United States" in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence, she includes gang related murders and familicides that Mother Jones leaves out of their analysis and comes up with a figure of 37% of mass shootings have black shooters.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29294976

If you don't have access to the pdf of the paper, screenshots of the table in question can be found on this blog post.
https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/wh...aphics-part-2/
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That's an interesting statistic--care to link?

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75% of mass shootings in which (per the NY Times) the shooters are black.
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nearly three-fourths of victims and suspected assailants whose race could be identified were black
In which SlackerInc somehow decides that victims and shooters are the same thing.
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People do not murder because they are black. Saying such is a horrible sick racism.

That would be. Who said that?
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In which Gary demonstrates that he apparently doesnít understand the grammatical function of the word ďandĒ.
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In this example, Gary, the conjunction "and" is used by the writer to rebut his own claim.
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...in which Slacker couldn't defend his misunderstanding and mischaracterization of a NYT article in GD, and thus tries to take it to a Pit thread to throw out there. At least he can feel more free here to make proclamations about his belief in the inferiority of black people.

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I watched/listened to a ton of news yesterday: NPR, CNN, PBS and MSNBC....and 99% of the coverage was about El Paso, domestic terrorism, white nationalism -- virtually nothing about Dayton.

IMHO - the media has latched onto a narrative that's relatively straightforward and lends itself to discussion. Dayton looks more like a Columbine scenario, and they don't know what to say about random lunatics. I can't blame them -- I don't know, either.

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That would be. Who said that?
So what are you arguing?
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So what are you arguing?

Iím observing (not arguing reallyóitís pretty undeniable) that ďDe Blasioís reversal demonstrates the very awkward place political correctness puts politicians and media outlets in when it comes to the 75% of mass shootings in which (per the NY Times) the shooters are black.ď As the Cincinnati anti-violence activist (himself black) they quoted said, ďWhite folks donít want to say it because itís politically incorrectĒ. But black folks like him then put pressure on politicians and the media to not ignore black victims of these alarmingly common mass shootings.

So my ďargumentĒ, I suppose, is for the media and politicians to throw aside political correctness and engage with the facts as they arise. That doesnít require making some kind of hyperbolic proclamation that ďpeople murder because they are blackĒ. Since the vast majority of black people (black women especially) do not and would not ever murder anyone, that is an untenable proposition.

But we should stop conveying the impression that mass shootings are some sort of uniquely white sickness. (An impression I had erroneously believed to be true a month ago.) Although it does seem that the white shooters tend to have better aim! I doubt there is any inherent biological reason for this ó maybe itís just about better access to shooting ranges.

Just to be clear, in case you havenít been reading my posts in other threads, I do believe Trump has blood on his hands for the El Paso shooting, and as I am strongly backing Beto OíRourke for president, Iím glad he is saying so without mincing words.
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But we should stop conveying the impression that mass shootings are some sort of uniquely white sickness. (An impression I had erroneously believed to be true a month ago.)
I don't think "conveying" this impression has ever been widespread. Shooting lots of people is not unique, or particularly common, for any particular race or other group, aside from young-ish men (if I understand the statistics properly). Purposefully shooting lots of strangers in a public place, due to rage at society or a hateful ideology, is mostly (but not uniquely) a phenomenon with young-ish white men, AFAIUI. And that's the kind of shooting that gets the most attention, both because it's relatively new in terms of occurring frequently, and less intuitive to understand than crime/turf/gang-based shootings.

None of this conflicts with the NYT article.
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I'm starting to think that Trump and his advisors and media see the path to electoral victory in 2020 in a full blown violent race war. They seem to be stoking one very nicely.

So, it's:


1) Hold a Rally. (Don't pay for it of course)

2) Make inflammatory 'Fire in a Burning Theater' statements about shooting people.

3) Spread Youtube video clips of those statements repeatedly to the 'faithful'.

4) Wait until one Bubba is stupid enough and well armed enough to commit Mass Murder there.

5) Smirk like a scummy rotten orange and wave from Air Farce One.
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I finally steeled myself* and watched CFSG's address. Honest to Og, I must admit that I was startled at how much he deceeded (is that a word?) my lowest expectations: no emotion, none of his characteristic tinyhand gestures, a delivery that suggested he'd just stoked up on 'ludes, body language that screamed "I don't want to be doing this" ó even his color was off. I'm 90% certain that Disney could have created a better audioanimatronic president in an hour or two.

And then there was the content. Nothing whatsoever about guns, and only one mention of white supremacy (and that in the context of how it must be renounced by "we as a nation," not "I as a [putative] human being"). The rest was a mishmash of the internet, violent video games and mental health.

I wonder who convinced him, obviously against his will, that he had to get up in front of a TelePrompTer and read what it said. And whether they wish they hadn't.

(Also see that he's scheduled to be in El Paso Wednesday. Wonder what he'll throw at the natives.)

*With coffee, not liquor. Unfortunately.
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Andy, the fact remains that some black activists cry foul at the differing level of attention, putting PC pols like De Blasio (and PC voters like you) between a rock and a hard place.

Are you no longer disputing the characterization of shootings with four or more victims (dead or wounded) as “mass shootings” now that De Blasio endorses this definition? Nate Silver also used it on the most recent 538 podcast.

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Andy, the fact remains that some black activists cry foul at the differing level of attention, putting PC pols like De Blasio (and PC voters like you) between a rock and a hard place.
Disagreement from a black person (if there is any actual disagreement, which I'm far from certain of) doesn't put me or anyone "between a rock and a hard place". It's okay to disagree. It's not some tragedy or catastrophe or something. I think you have a highly distorted view of how liberals and progressives actually think and make decisions.

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Are you no longer disputing the characterization of shootings with four or more victims (dead or wounded) as “mass shootings” now that De Blasio endorses this definition? Nate Silver also used it on the most recent 538 podcast.
Boring semantics. The phenomenon discussed in the media most frequently is this mostly-new type of rage/ideology-based shootings, usually targeting strangers in public places.

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I think that trying to make the divide by race is a red herring--what really needs addressed is that, basically, ALL mass shootings are done by men. Women just don't do this. And it's disingenuous to try to blame mental illness because that's not it either--women have, statistically, less access to mental health care and of all women black women have the very least and yet they do NOT commit mass shootings. Men are the problem. Let's start there.
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Agreed. I wonder if the politically correct feminists and social scientists who decry “gender essentialism” would object in this case.
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It's not a matter of gender essentialism, it's an artifact of a patriarchal society that decrees that white men are the ne plus ultra of humankind and therefore above reproach and entitled to whatever they can get away with. Fix that attitude, start training boys to be humans rather than insisting they be MANLY MANLY MEN and a lot of this would go away, along with a lot of rape, incels, intimate partner violence and child abuse.
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Nonsense. But that’s a good illustration of what we are up against with the “nurture only” crowd. You need to read the book The Blank Slate by Steven Pinker.

ETA: Funny how you went right back to “white men” even though black men are doing a helluva lot more shooting. And in your very next post after saying it wasn’t about race! But you just can’t help it, it’s a reflex.

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Do you handwave like that because it wafts the stink of your own ass closer to your nose so you can enjoy it properly?
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This Wedks's awful Mass Murder

I'm assuming you are referring to the 59 people shot in Chicago, 7 of whom died, correct?
https://abc7chicago.com/59-shot-7-fa...tings/5443785/
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This Wedks's awful Mass Murder

I'm assuming you are referring to the 59 people shot in Chicago, 7 of whom died, correct?
https://abc7chicago.com/59-shot-7-fa...tings/5443785/
No, we're talking about the many more people that were killed by a mere two shooters, one of whom was a white supremacist Trump supporter, in El Paso and Dayton.
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