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Old 08-04-2019, 01:35 AM
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Breaking News: reported mass shooting in Dayton OH


Initial reports of seven dead.

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Not much news from the scene yet. I'm seeing reports of 7 dead. The site is a bar, apparently. Some reports say a white male is in custody.
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JFC today will be remebered as nuts in american history ........
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Oh FFS. Seriously? I opened this thread thinking it was an update on a thread that was posted earlier today, only to find yet another fucker has gone ballistic with a gun.

Yeah, thoughts and fucking prayers USA. That's all that's left for you now.

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Old 08-04-2019, 02:25 AM
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It's almost as if these mass killers WANT gun control.
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Old 08-04-2019, 02:27 AM
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WHIO news reports one fatality confirmed and identified by the coroner — https://www.whio.com/news/local/male...Unefm395uNzoK/.

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It's almost as if these mass killers WANT gun control.
What most of them want is to be heroes going out in a blaze of glory.

So when gun control is seriously discussed, let alone implemented, because "Y'all can't behave" that's exactly what they'll do, in order to prove that they can behave... by killing dozens of innocent people, using precisely the kinds of weapons the pro-gun-control crowd wants to ban most, because killing more people will convince everyone that guns are safe and most definitely don't need to be controlled in any fashion.

It makes perfect sense if you yell about killing minorities.
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Correct me if I'm wrong - is this the third mass shooting in 24 hours?

Please tell me that's a new record, because if it's not I just give up.
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Correct me if I'm wrong - is this the third mass shooting in 24 hours?

Please tell me that's a new record, because if it's not I just give up.
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Been there a number of times. And my daughter lives in Dayton Towers Apartments, which is a couple blocks east of there.
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Old 08-04-2019, 05:39 AM
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Now it’s at least ten dead, including the gun man: Fox News, Dayton, Ohio, gunfire results in 10 deaths, including gunman; at least 16 wounded: police — https://www.foxnews.com/us/at-least-...unfire-reports
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JFC today will be remebered as nuts in american history ........
Or maybe it won't; maybe it'll be just another day in America, unfortunately. It seems almost "normal" now, like this is what we've come to expect, and accept.
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What most of them want is to be heroes going out in a blaze of glory.

So when gun control is seriously discussed, let alone implemented, because "Y'all can't behave" that's exactly what they'll do, in order to prove that they can behave... by killing dozens of innocent people, using precisely the kinds of weapons the pro-gun-control crowd wants to ban most, because killing more people will convince everyone that guns are safe and most definitely don't need to be controlled in any fashion.

It makes perfect sense if you yell about killing minorities.
I don't see it this way at all; I think most of these people need a psychiatrist and are probably socially isolated. They're not all the same either: the kid who shot up Wal-Mart in El Paso was homicidal but not particularly suicidal; the killer in Dayton, OTOH, seems to be suicidal. Mass shootings are often a suicidal act, as much as an act of mass homicide.

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All of them law-abiding citizens, you know. Right up until the moment they weren't.

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Old 08-04-2019, 07:23 AM
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Both shootings yesterday occurred in Death Penalty states. Looks like it's not a deterrent after all.
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Old 08-04-2019, 07:24 AM
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El Paso Walmart rampage marks 250th mass shooting in 215 days
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...And the rampage in El Paso, which left 20 dead and 26 injured, notched an even darker statistic: It occurred on the 215th day of the year, meaning there have been more mass shootings than days so far this year. ....
That was a couple of days ago. Make that 251 in 215 days...
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But according to El Paso mayor, we cant talk politics immediately after a shooting, because, you see, memorials come first.

Excep in America theres another mass shooting before the memorials from the last one have even started.

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I drove up to Dayton for family obligations and to see old friends from Columbus. If not for extreme laziness on all our parts, we would have been at ned peppers last night. We talked extensively about going down there....woke up this morning to frantic texts from my mom.
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I don't get it. It seems like each shooting should shift the thinking of some percentage of those on the "pro-gun" side. I know that personally, I always considered guns to be a tool that could be used safely until one of the school shootings made me realize I was insane for thinking that.

Gun grabbers grab away. Take mine, ideally reimbursing me with a gift card or something. I don't want to have to put on a flak jacket every time I run to the store.
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Old 08-04-2019, 08:15 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong - is this the third mass shooting in 24 hours?

Please tell me that's a new record, because if it's not I just give up.
The second in 24 hours. Third in a week.
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I don't get it. It seems like each shooting should shift the thinking of some percentage of those on the "pro-gun" side. I know that personally, I always considered guns to be a tool that could be used safely until one of the school shootings made me realize I was insane for thinking that.

Gun grabbers grab away. Take mine, ideally reimbursing me with a gift card or something. I don't want to have to put on a flak jacket every time I run to the store.
I think Democratic mayors and governors should start up the gun back buy programs - that's one thing they could do, and it's voluntary. One thing the federal government could possibly consider if Democrats are ever successful in regaining control of the government is to fund more buyback programs. Fund "law enforcement" programs, but work with Democratic governors and mayors to pay for gun buy-backs.

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I don't get it. It seems like each shooting should shift the thinking of some percentage of those on the "pro-gun" side. I know that personally, I always considered guns to be a tool that could be used safely until one of the school shootings made me realize I was insane for thinking that.

Gun grabbers grab away. Take mine, ideally reimbursing me with a gift card or something. I don't want to have to put on a flak jacket every time I run to the store.
This is a breaking news thread, not a gun debate thread. Feel free to discuss this issue as it relates to the gun control debate, just not in this thread. If there isn't already a thread on this topic in Great Debates, feel free to start one.

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This is a breaking news thread,
Apologies for my off-topic post, I didn't think mass shootings were breaking news anymore.


ETA: I see it now in the thread title. Sorry.

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Has any information about the Dayton killer been released yet? I haven't seen his name or anything so far.
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I woke up to this news and am gobsmacked.
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Has any information about the Dayton killer been released yet? I haven't seen his name or anything so far.
No name or motive released yet.
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I drove up to Dayton for family obligations and to see old friends from Columbus. If not for extreme laziness on all our parts, we would have been at ned peppers last night. We talked extensively about going down there....woke up this morning to frantic texts from my mom.
I'm so glad you were lazy last night!
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I'm glad you're ok snfaulkner.
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Has any information about the Dayton killer been released yet? I haven't seen his name or anything so far.
Sen. Sherrod Brown said he spoke with Dayton's mayor, who said it was a young white male, maybe in his early 20s. That's all I've seen so far.

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Anyone wanna bet he was just really, really upset about not getting tickets to Coldplay or something?
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NBC, quoting "senior law enforcement officials" say the killer is a 24 year old white male.

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1...832573952?s=19
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Connor Betts of Bellbrook OH.

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It's almost as if these mass killers WANT gun control.
What if they did? Do you think Trump won't sign a gun control bill if one crosses his desk? I do. Trump isn't a 'gun guy', never has been, and hasn't shown any affinity for gun rights at all. He's a New York real estate guy. How many of them think about guns, except that he's glad his bodyguards have them, and he'd prefer there were fewer of them in the world.

These views are not shared by a lot of his base. I think that his signing a gun control bill would be his version of "Read my lips, no new taxes." You'd see another incumbent President fail to win reelection. Trump won by getting the right 90,000 votes in the right three states. Even with the improved economy and unemployment numbers, he can't afford to have too much of base decide to sit 2020 out.

If Trump's gone, a lot of his policies pissing powerful people off around the world: Iran sanctions, China and Latin America tariffs, opposition to establishing a carbon market or regulation---all of that goes away.

Hell of a epidemiological cluster, all of these shootings.
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I'm glad you're ok snfaulkner.
Me too. Things like that really bring it home how precious life is. I had a similar situation wherein I changed a routine, and thereby avoided a Heat-esque armored car robbery and gun battle.

Hug your loved ones. As a local media personality says here, "We're not guaranteed tomorrow."
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This is a historical area that became a bar/restaurant district over a half century ago. It's been the place to go if you want to listen to live music. You can make a night of it listening to different bands within the space of a couple of blocks. Because of the nature of bar density it's heavily patrolled and is the reason the killer was stopped in the space of a minute.

All this comes on the heels of 15 tornadoes hitting the area on Memorial Day.

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Thankfully, we are not running out of Thoughts and Prayers. Lots of those to go around, so everything is peachy keen. It's especially too early to talk about the radicalization of young white men into right-wing white nationalist terrorism. Too early for that. Maybe let's never actually discuss it.
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This is sick. I and many of the people I know have spent so much time hanging out in Dayton's Oregon District. One of my closest friends had his wedding rehearsal dinner there. There's a fantastic record store, and a couple of nice adult stores, and just around the corner one of the best coffee shops anywhere.

This just days after El Paso, and just days after the Gilroy Garlic festival. Right-wing terrorism is the problem in our faces that no one in charge wants to actually talk about. This is Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. We're all fucked.
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Apparently, Betts's sister and her boyfriend were also killed. I saw a rumor that they were an interracial couple.
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I was in the area at the county fair last night. We had talked about going out for drinks but decided not to. So glad we came home instead!
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I was in the area at the county fair last night. We had talked about going out for drinks but decided not to. So glad we came home instead!
Holy crap. My friend that I went to see was visiting from Colorado. He was at his sisters house and I'm so thankful they went home and stayed there. He sat up all night because they could hear the shots from her house.
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This just days after El Paso, and just days after the Gilroy Garlic festival. Right-wing terrorism is the problem in our faces that no one in charge wants to actually talk about. This is Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. We're all fucked.
The same day as El Paso.
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The same day as El Paso.
Of course. Even better.
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I was in the area at the county fair last night. We had talked about going out for drinks but decided not to. So glad we came home instead!
Glad you decided to not go out, too!
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Apparently the shooter's sister and her boyfriend were found shot to death in a car there.
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I hate that every story quotes someone calling this a “tragedy.” It’s not a tragedy. There’s nothing tragic about it. This thing is part of a trend with a known set of causes. It doesn’t come from some source of inevitable misfortune. It’s a fucking crime.
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I hate that every story quotes someone calling this a “tragedy.” It’s not a tragedy. There’s nothing tragic about it. This thing is part of a trend with a known set of causes. It doesn’t come from some source of inevitable misfortune. It’s a fucking crime.
I don't really understand the complaint. Crime can have tragic consequences.
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One of the victims seems to have an Asian Indian name so that could be the boyfriend of the sister in an interracial relationship.
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