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Old 06-09-2018, 01:03 PM
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Suarez is not an out an out striker. he plays on the wing or as a SS quite often.
Drogba: tends to play deeper than a traditional striker, but yeah, I'll accept him
Batistuta: Overrated, so yes
Higuian: has shit the bed too many times in big matches.

Torres's was a hitman in front of goal, so no idea why you left him out.

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Old 06-09-2018, 01:06 PM
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Better than Brazilian Ronaldo?

I mean if you're tossing out Suarez because he can leave the box and dribble...

Club Goals Per Game
Klose - 0.39
Batistuta - 0.53

National team Goals Per Game
Klose - 0.52
Batistuta - 0.7

World Cup goals Per Game
Klose - 0.67
Batistuta - 0.83

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And Torres had club goals per game of 0.35 and national team gpg of 0.35. Decidedly not a hitman in comparison to that list. I'm pretty sure the only person on that list that scored less goals than Klose is Robben, but I'd be fine throwing him out as a winger anyway.

Regardless, the whole point is that "All Time Goal Scorer" is misleading regarding Klose's actual talent level.
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Yes, I came back to write Brazilian Ronaldo, missed him inexplicably.
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Anyway, there is a chance of a Spain v Egypt R16 game.
I will be really disappointed if Ramos does not leave that match on a stretcher. After having been hit with a spinning heel kick the referee did not see.
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Anyway, there is a chance of a Spain v Egypt R16 game.
I will be really disappointed if Ramos does not leave that match on a stretcher. After having been hit with a spinning heel kick the referee did not see.
How about Salah jukes him and he tears his achilles. On the ground he watches Salah score the winner?
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The way this France team is playing against an upstart USA team, perhaps they werenít the best pick as my Brazil back up plan. I guess I was betting on the potential for Mbappe to break through as an international superstar at this World Cup.
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The way this France team is playing against an upstart USA team, perhaps they werenít the best pick as my Brazil back up plan. I guess I was betting on the potential for Mbappe to break through as an international superstar at this World Cup.
They did manage to apply a lot of pressure, but yes, their timing was suspect and they missed a fair number of chances. That WC group they're in won't knock them out, but it also doesn't have any pushover teams.
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Admittedly, I don't follow the Mexican team that closely, but they're getting beat 2-0 by Denmark in a friendly right now.
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Admittedly, I don't follow the Mexican team that closely, but they're getting beat 2-0 by Denmark in a friendly right now.
That's bad news for the Mexicans as they open next Sunday against Germany and will have to beat out Sweden and South Korea to advance....for a likely round of 16 match against Brazil.

The USA looked great against France. Its too bad that this wasn't the team we fielded in qualifying.
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This is a ridiculous list. Some of those players are wingers, others AMC. Kloses job required size strength and quickness being a lone striker. Many others played on talented sides and didn't produce. He is a Jack Morris type who gave his best efforts on the biggest stage; a stage that crushes others.
Are you defending Klose by comparing him to Jack Morris? That makes him an above average striker, but not really elite. Yeah, second tier.
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We all acknowledge that Messi is an elite striker yet he has only scored 5 WC goals and none in the knockout stage. Klose delivered consistently on the world's largest footie stage. While Germany have been in the top tier of teams why hasnt any other striker produced like him since OG Ronaldo?
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Well, out and out strikers are a rare bird these days.
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Old 06-10-2018, 11:26 AM
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Among people that have scored at least 5 goals at the world cup, Klose is 41st in scoring rate (9 of which have played in at least one of the same WCs as Klose). The reason he has scored the most goals is, for the third or fourth time, that he's played so many games because Germany has had very poor alternative options. A secondary reason is that the World Cup is a small sample size. Scoring above your long term skill level is definitely possible over the course of 24 games. (People call this clutch, but statistical analysis of several different sports shows this is an after the fact justification i.e. a myth) Klose's 500+ career games tell the real tale of his value.
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Neymar scored a great goal this morning. I think he's ready and raring to go.
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Old 06-10-2018, 11:57 AM
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That's bad news for the Mexicans as they open next Sunday against Germany and will have to beat out Sweden and South Korea to advance....for a likely round of 16 match against Brazil.

The USA looked great against France. Its too bad that this wasn't the team we fielded in qualifying.
They're friendlies so we need to limit our conclusions -- see the US result yesterday for proof -- but this is not great for Mexico because I think Sweden is just as strong as Denmark.
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Neymar scored a great goal this morning. I think he's ready and raring to go.
The whole team looked great, and on the road against Austria, who had been playing very well. I watched just about every Brazil match in CONMEBOL qualification and saw how quickly they evolved under Tite. But I haven’t watched much of the German team lately. How have they looked?
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The whole team looked great, and on the road against Austria, who had been playing very well. I watched just about every Brazil match in CONMEBOL qualification and saw how quickly they evolved under Tite. But I havenít watched much of the German team lately. How have they looked?
This year no so great, they're 1-1-2 including a loss to that Austria team. In 2017 they were undefeated. IMO their squad is stronger than last time around, they're my favorites for the tournament.
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I vote that we stop the Klose discussion.

What are the odds that Suarez bites someone during the world cup?
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I am warming to Group H because it not only has a few Southampton guys in it (and former ones like Sadio Mane) but it seems the one most likely to produce the most chaos. It seems like any of the four could finish first or finish fourth.

(Columbia, Poland, Japan, Senegal)

I'm getting a little pumped.
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So Goldman Sachs just sent me their 50-page paper on "The World Cup and Economics" that was published yesterday. Here is a summary of their conclusion:

"After hours of number crunching, 200,000 probability trees, and 1 million simulations, some of the results are strikingly intuitive: England meets Germany in the quarters, where Germany wins; and Germany meets Brazil in the final, and Brazil prevails."

Cutting to the chase, in the QF, they have France > Spain, Brazil > Belgium, Portugal > Argentina and Germany > England. That 3rd match would probably be the most watched match in history.

In the semis (with the expected scores), Brazil 1.51 - France 1.22 and Germany 1.39 - Portugal 1.25.

In the Final, Brazil 1.70 - Germany 1.41

Team of the tournament: DeGea/Kimmich-Ramos-Hummels-Marcelo/De Bruyne-Coutinho-Kroos/Messi-Ronaldo-Neymar

ETA: I assume that a defensive midfielder would be needed, but I guess Busquets and Casemiro aren't sexy enough for a TOTT.
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That's bad news for the Mexicans as they open next Sunday against Germany and will have to beat out Sweden and South Korea to advance....for a likely round of 16 match against Brazil.

The USA looked great against France. Its too bad that this wasn't the team we fielded in qualifying.
I thought they looked like utter shite. Gave France way too much space.
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So Goldman Sachs just sent me their 50-page paper on "The World Cup and Economics" that was published yesterday. Here is a summary of their conclusion:

"After hours of number crunching, 200,000 probability trees, and 1 million simulations, some of the results are strikingly intuitive: England meets Germany in the quarters, where Germany wins; and Germany meets Brazil in the final, and Brazil prevails."

Cutting to the chase, in the QF, they have France > Spain, Brazil > Belgium, Portugal > Argentina and Germany > England. That 3rd match would probably be the most watched match in history.

In the semis (with the expected scores), Brazil 1.51 - France 1.22 and Germany 1.39 - Portugal 1.25.

In the Final, Brazil 1.70 - Germany 1.41

Team of the tournament: DeGea/Kimmich-Ramos-Hummels-Marcelo/De Bruyne-Coutinho-Kroos/Messi-Ronaldo-Neymar

ETA: I assume that a defensive midfielder would be needed, but I guess Busquets and Casemiro aren't sexy enough for a TOTT.
Looks to me like the massively overrate Portugal. Winning the group, beating Argentina, and being close in skill to Germany are all stretches, IMO.

Kroos can play as a defensive or box to box midfielder. Probably would a true defensive midfielder given that those front 3 aren't going to contribute a huge amount defensively, but team of the tournament isn't about a cohesive unit, is it? If it's just the best 11, then that's a pretty solid lineup.
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I thought they looked like utter shite. Gave France way too much space.
A USA team made up of mostly young players draws against Frances stars....in France. If that is what utter shot looks like ill take it anytime.
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Yes, a little perspective might be in order. I think the starting lineup for the U.S. in France Saturday had a combined 84 caps or thereabouts.
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Kroos can play as a defensive or box to box midfielder. Probably would a true defensive midfielder given that those front 3 aren't going to contribute a huge amount defensively, but team of the tournament isn't about a cohesive unit, is it? If it's just the best 11, then that's a pretty solid lineup.
ESPN's best XI is balanced more like an actual team.

De Gea - Marcela/Ramos/Hummels/Kimmich - Kroos/Kante/de Bruyne - Messi/Lewandowski/Ronaldo.
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In a bold and innovative move Spain have sacked their manager on the eve of the tournament starting!
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For taking the RM job. I guess thatís frowned upon?
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Apparently the negotiations between Madrid and the coach were done without knowledge of the Spanish FA - who clearly feel butthurt.
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If Spain does poorly, the rest of Spain will hate Real Madrid even more (if that's even possible). Perhaps this was Zidane's master plan by exiting Real right after the CL: Eliminate one of France's competitors.
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The North American bid for the 2026 World Cup won the FIFA vote today. Sixty games in the U.S., 10 each in Canada and Mexico.
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As a Canadian I'm not very happy about this. Hosting the World Cup is going to be an enormous waste of money for us and I'd rather we just sit it out entirely.
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As a Canadian I'm not very happy about this. Hosting the World Cup is going to be an enormous waste of money for us and I'd rather we just sit it out entirely.
Please see USA 1994 and rethink this. The stadiums are already built and thousands of tourists descend upon the cities. Its amazing and a big party.
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Wow! Woke up to the good news that North America is hosting the World Cup, so I can finally attend a match.

With the chaos in Spain, that solidifies my prediction: Germany will win this tournament

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As a Canadian I'm not very happy about this. Hosting the World Cup is going to be an enormous waste of money for us and I'd rather we just sit it out entirely.
But Canada already is a fully developed nation and has the infrastructure. The expense is utterly minimal and there is a lot of income brought in by traveling fans. Wouldn't it also be a plus to see Canada's team back in the World Cup after 40+ years of absence?
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But Canada already is a fully developed nation and has the infrastructure. The expense is utterly minimal and there is a lot of income brought in by traveling fans. Wouldn't it also be a plus to see Canada's team back in the World Cup after 40+ years of absence?
Wait. All 3 nations get automatically qualified? I realize the field will be 48 but that doesn't seem right and distorts CONCACAF qualifying.
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Wow! Woke up to the good news that North America is hosting the World Cup, so I can finally attend a match.

With the chaos in Spain, that solidifies my prediction: Germany will win this tournament
I agree but I think the field is wide open. I know this is a minority opinion but I truly believe England are strong contenders and Southgate is the right man and temperament for the job.
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Wait. All 3 nations get automatically qualified? I realize the field will be 48 but that doesn't seem right and distorts CONCACAF qualifying.
I'm not 100% certain but that would likely be how it is - that when multiple nations host, all hosts qualify.

When Japan and South Korea co-hosted in 2002, both nations automatically were in by virtue of being hosts.
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Not sure how much that loophole could be exploited, though - i.e., if 12 nations all decided to co-host together and their bid were approved, that all 12 would automatically qualify? Yeah that would be rigging it.
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Wait. All 3 nations get automatically qualified? I realize the field will be 48 but that doesn't seem right and distorts CONCACAF qualifying.
We're talking 6 teams from CONCACAF though. A three-team autoqualify leaves plenty of room for the rest of the federation without really distorting the makeup.
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We're talking 6 teams from CONCACAF though. A three-team autoqualify leaves plenty of room for the rest of the federation without really distorting the makeup.
so 5 teams from the CONCACAF in the tournament? (3 automatic, 2 from qualifiers)? I think more than one is too much.
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so 5 teams from the CONCACAF in the tournament? (3 automatic, 2 from qualifiers)? I think more than one is too much.
Really? There's a decent chance that both Mexico and the USA would qualify for a Morocco World Cup in 2026, so only Canada might be getting a free pass.
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Mexico and the USA are usually pretty safe bets to qualify, this year notwithstanding, so it would really amount to just giving Canada a bid. Even in a 48-team tournament we'd probably get wiped out, but who knows. Maybe in 8 years Alphonso Davies will be a superstar.
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so 5 teams from the CONCACAF in the tournament? (3 automatic, 2 from qualifiers)? I think more than one is too much.
CONCACAF has 6 slots starting in 2026, right? So essentially it's just removing the last "Hex" round of the current qualification system. For 2018 this was: Mexico, Costa Rica, Panama, Honduras, USA, Trinidad & Tobago. Swapping in Canada for T&T doesn't seem like too much of a change.
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6 Slots for CONCACAF? CONMEBOL should send 2 of every team then, Brasil A, Brasil B, Argentina A, Argentina B, Uruguay A and Uruguay B would all probably end up higher than all 6 CONCACAF teams
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....With the chaos in Spain, that solidifies my prediction: Germany will win this tournament
The Goldman modeling actually has Germany as 3rd favorite to win it all, behind Brazil and France. Itís just that France has a bad draw by having to play Brazil in the semis. I didnít know any of this before I made my bets in Vegas, but now I feel slightly better about them.

Also, in terms of the average player rating of the predicted starting 11ís, they have Spain as the highest.

Any predictions on the first game tomorrow? If Putin has any way to ďhelpĒ Russia, they should win handily. Unless FIFA has changed, it should be a lock that Russia beats Saudi Arabia.
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I’ve got Saudi Arabia but I’m glad I don’t have money on it. It’s funny that there’s no way I’d wake up early to watch a Russia vs Saudi Arabia friendly, but I’m eager to get up to see this start to the World Cup
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