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Old 05-25-2018, 04:16 AM
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Old 06-04-2018, 02:00 PM
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1123 is up.

I got to do that twice now!

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Old 06-04-2018, 02:37 PM
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Too bad there's no (obvious) easy way to snap Elan out of it. Would Song of Freedom work on the Dominate effect? I assume so.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:02 PM
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Too bad there's no (obvious) easy way to snap Elan out of it. Would Song of Freedom work on the Dominate effect? I assume so.
Takes a minute to sing though. Only works on one subject and he can't sing to himself.

They need something to at least interrupt the Domination. A Protection from (n-Alignment Axis) would work, like Belkar's clasp. So would a Magic Circle against (Alignment). Then you could do something to actually break the Domination, like Elan's Song, or V casting Break Enchantment, as a simple Dispel won't do it. Break Enchantment's got a 10 minute casting time though.

Looks like we're going to have to be saved by whatever inner dialogue Durkon manages to spin up to get Greg & Friends to leave the area before they TPK the Order.

The railroading smells a bit like the Miko fight, way back when. Still, trust in Burlew.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:20 PM
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Takes a minute to sing though. Only works on one subject and he can't sing to himself.
I knew he couldn't sing it on himself but didn't know about the one minute casting time. OOTS lied to me!
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:24 PM
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Looks like we're going to have to be saved by whatever inner dialogue Durkon manages to spin up to get Greg & Friends to leave the area before they TPK the Order.
Durkon promised to not say anything more during the fight if D* would look at one last memory. So it's going to have to be something in that memory that does it.

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Old 06-04-2018, 03:28 PM
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I knew he couldn't sing it on himself but didn't know about the one minute casting time. OOTS lied to me!
Well, to be true, they didn't say how long the country-music panel lasted.

It'd be kinda' badass for Elan to just strum his banjo and strut through the banquet hall like some demented version of Bela Fleck, reversing the mind control spell as fast as the vamps could dish it out.

I think though the Order instead is going to be saved by Greg picking up and running. Which is going to be tied to all of those memories in Durkon's head and their relationships to the story. Be neat if Kraagor shows up in one of them. I doubt he was a resident of Firmament, but he was a 20-ish level Dwarven Barbarian. You'd think the natives would have at least heard of him.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:38 PM
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Durkon promised to not say anything more during the fight if D* would look at one last memory. So it's going to have to be something in that memory that does it.
I agree. I can't see any other thing sparing Greg from deciding to kill them all, and I don't think Roy + V + Minrah can hold them off before at least V and Minrah get killed.

Which leads to wondering how in the Hel is V still alive after taking that Sonic Lance, three arrows or so from Haley---with one of them being a sneak attack, and whatever falling damage s/he took from hir Overland Flight getting knocked out. I guess the Bear's Endurance didn't get dispelled. EDIT: Though it looks like V's probably into negative HP, with hir just laying there, yet no Xs on the eyes. Still though.

And dammit, where's my dinosaur already? I thought the whole point of sending giraffes in was to clue the reader in that the banquet hall was tall enough for Bloodfeast to properly rage?

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Old 06-04-2018, 03:53 PM
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Bloodfeast is in a Bag of Holding and, as I understand it, the Dispel Magic spells can't get to him there.
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Old 06-04-2018, 03:54 PM
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I notice that Durkoff is setting his chair upright. I'd guess he's going to start monologuing.
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Old 06-05-2018, 03:01 AM
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Oh man, poor Minrah. Stabbed right in the boob.
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:28 AM
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Small, confusing thing: when Belkar stabs the cleric, he says, "Protect V." The cleric was trying to heal V. Why did he say "Protect V"?

In the previous comic, Roy said, "Belkar, protect V."

Is there something complicated going on here, or am I reading too much into it?
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Old 06-05-2018, 07:50 AM
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I think the vampire gave him a mental push along the lines of "This person is approaching V, it must be to hurt hir." Just tweaking his perceptions a little bit.
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Old 06-05-2018, 08:23 AM
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Small, confusing thing: when Belkar stabs the cleric, he says, "Protect V." The cleric was trying to heal V. Why did he say "Protect V"?

In the previous comic, Roy said, "Belkar, protect V."

Is there something complicated going on here, or am I reading too much into it?
The mental command was probably something like "that cleric is trying to kill V, get him!"

Belkar barely needed a push because a) "protect V" was already his order and b) he wanted to go after 'the clerics' anyway.

Ironically, Belkar would probably find it pretty annoying that he cared about Roy's orders enough to make them useful to the vampire.

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Old 06-05-2018, 08:26 AM
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Belkar barely needed a push because a) "protect V" was already his order and b) he wanted to go after 'the clerics' anyway.
I figured "barely needed a push" was more just "Haha, Belkar likes stabbing things"
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Old 06-05-2018, 05:45 PM
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If V *is* into negative hit points, is she going to keep bleeding until she reaches -10 and dies, or until she's healed?
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Old 06-05-2018, 06:02 PM
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They get a check every round to see if they stabilize, or keep bleeding.
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Old 06-05-2018, 08:51 PM
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That said, the odds on that check aren't good. Much better to get some magical healing: Even if it's not enough to get you back into the positives, it'll automatically stabilize you.
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:50 AM
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Old 06-13-2018, 10:57 AM
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Cool link!

And dammit, let's get to a reveal already!
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:00 AM
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Lazy dominated Elan doesn't even make puns. Which means he was using his mediocre Strength stat for bonuses instead of his Charisma stat.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:24 AM
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IIRC The sabre is a finesse weapon so he'll be using Dex.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:31 AM
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That's only to hit, not to damage.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:35 AM
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With a name like Chaos Sabre, you'd think it'd do extra damage to the Lawful. Even so, it doesn't look like Roy's taken anywhere near the punishment he took in the Thog fight, or the fight at the Godsmoot.

So, what's in the back room of the temple?
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:45 AM
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IIRC The sabre is a finesse weapon so he'll be using Dex.
I believe (from a casual reading) that in 3.5 you'd need the Weapon Finesse feat to use Dex with a light weapon. Which, if Elan had from the start, would have made Dashing Swordsman a lot less attractive since he probably has a respectable Dex score already.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:46 AM
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So, what's in the back room of the temple?
When this whole arc began, like thirty or forty years ago, didn't Durkon convince Greg to hole up in the temple? Or am I misremembering?
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:51 AM
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With a name like Chaos Sabre, you'd think it'd do extra damage to the Lawful. Even so, it doesn't look like Roy's taken anywhere near the punishment he took in the Thog fight, or the fight at the Godsmoot.
An extra 2d6 although Elan could have rolled low. And, as noted, he's not fighting at his full potential since he's not using his Dashing Swordsman abilities. Thog, on the other hand, was using the full measure of his impressive strength score when fighting Roy.

Of course, even at full potential, Elan isn't as capable a damage dealer as Haley, Belkar or Roy.

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Old 06-13-2018, 11:55 AM
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I believe (from a casual reading) that in 3.5 you'd need the Weapon Finesse feat to use Dex with a light weapon. Which, if Elan had from the start, would have made Dashing Swordsman a lot less attractive since he probably has a respectable Dex score already.
Yes, I assumed he had it but I've just checked the Class & Level Geekery thread and Elan is not listed as having Weapon Finesse, so you may well be right. Of course, it not being listed just means that there's no evidence for it, so he may well have it.
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. . . So, what's in the back room of the temple?
From the look of things, distraction.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:56 AM
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this fight is more exciting than I expected.
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Old 06-13-2018, 11:58 AM
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As Miller points out, Weapon Finesse is only for attack rolls anyway. Dashing Swordsman allows you to use Charisma in lieu of Strength for damage. So even if Elan is using Finesse for the hits, he's not doing as much damage as he would be.

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Old 06-13-2018, 11:58 AM
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So much for "at the speed of thought."
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Old 06-13-2018, 12:57 PM
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So much for "at the speed of thought."
I think we can assume that's a flashback.
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I think we can assume that's a flashback.
I think more likely that the "infinite speed of thought" thing only happens when convenient.
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Old 06-13-2018, 04:58 PM
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Speed of thought is suspiciously close to speed of plot.
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Speed of thought means Durkon can't overload Durkevil with pointless memories. I'm also guessing that fleshy memories (disgusting to the undead) can only be implemented for laughs. Relevant new information might conceivably slow Durkevil down, but I doubt whether Burlew will want to lean on that method. As for "It's not over yet", I interpret it as either some sort of literary technique involving parallels or I'm inclined to fanwank it away as coincidence.
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Speed of thought means Durkon can't overload Durkevil with pointless memories. I'm also guessing that fleshy memories (disgusting to the undead) can only be implemented for laughs. Relevant new information might conceivably slow Durkevil down, but I doubt whether Burlew will want to lean on that method. As for "It's not over yet", I interpret it as either some sort of literary technique involving parallels or I'm inclined to fanwank it away as coincidence.


I’m expecting much more from this new Durkon memory. Something that leaves Durkevil gobsmacked.

But, although Durkevil has manifested emotions, I’m expecting this to attack on the logical level, like a chess move. Maybe a paradox that throws Durkevil’s whole mission into question. I can’t imagine what that would be.

I admit I’m a bit confused, as timing seems to be an element here. It’s as if the reveal has to be so stunning, it gives Roy an opening that wouldn’t exist if Durkon had revealed this months ago. (“Durkevil, I am your father.”) But that brings us back to the emotional space. And yet there is so much riding on this (and Durkon did say it’s a doozy)- I can’t believe Durkon is depending on Durkevil’s emotional response. So, yes, I’m confused- looking forward to how this plays out.
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When this whole arc began, like thirty or forty years ago, didn't Durkon convince Greg to hole up in the temple? Or am I misremembering?
Specifically, in the banqueting hall. Note that when challenged Durkon answers the second of Greg's two questions.
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I had a crazy though that Durkevil had said something like, "I swear to Hel, if you break our agreement and say anything after this memory is over, I'll kill your son", and thus would be forced by his oath to try and do so if Durkon did (which would at minimum break Hilgya out of the Domination, right?). But Durkevil said no such thing, and in any case, Durkon is probably too lawful to put his infant son at risk like that.
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Old 06-14-2018, 09:35 AM
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Specifically, in the banqueting hall. Note that when challenged Durkon answers the second of Greg's two questions.
Thanks! So the memory is about the back room of the temple, but now they're in the banquet hall?

Huh.
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I suspect he's going to reveal the location of an item that Durkula realizes can totally destroy him, like a remote destruct switch for the room he's now in.
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Crazy thought here:

Durkevil has committed to seeing the whole memory, no skips or breaks.

If it was a memory of glaring sunshine (and if Durkevil’s protective spell is inactive or has been dispelled) could that possibly affect him?
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Old 06-14-2018, 10:39 AM
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He's already seen a memory of a bright sunny day . Didn't affect him then.
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Old 06-14-2018, 01:32 PM
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I suspect it is information that is deceptive. It will look to Durkula like it is incredibly useful or important, but it actually isn't.
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(OTOH, if those are dying words, those are awesome ones.)
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:23 AM
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But we now have the mechanism by which Belkar is going to be freed. Mr. Scruffy is concerned about his fellow Animal Sidekick Superfriend, and so will intervene to protect V. The vampire dominating Belkar will attempt to order him to attack Mr. Scruffy. And that is the one thing that goes against Belkar's fundamental disposition, which will break the Domination on him.
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ACK-tually, sunglasses do not block sight or else they'd be worthless so I don't know WHAT Blackwing was thinking! Worst comic ever.

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Some people in the GitP thread have suggested the purpose of this strip is that we won't be able to see when Belkar gets un-dominated. Makes sense to me.
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Old 06-19-2018, 10:38 AM
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Or....Mr. Scruffy uses the distraction to grab Roy's bag of holding and release Bloodfeast.

I want to see a dinosaur eat vampires, dammit!
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