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Old 08-10-2019, 07:17 AM
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White supremacists are the biggest ideological threat to American lives, by far


https://forward.com/fast-forward/429...arlottesville/

White supremacists have murdered 73 people since the Charlottesville march. I don't believe any other ideology, including extremist versions of Islam, comes close. I've thought that the thread title has been accurate for pretty much all of American history, but it's becoming more urgently dangerous in the last couple of years, as compared to recent decades.

This has always been the worst of America, and the biggest ideological danger to Americans, IMO. If you disagree, what other ideology do you think possess such a clear and deadly threat to Americans?
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How are you measuring Ďdangerousí? Is it overall body count? Frequency of attacks? Deaths per capita? Some combination of the three?

Also, what counts as a ďwhite supremacist?Ē Do Trump voters count? If so, does it matter why they voted Trump?
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How are you measuring ‘dangerous’? Is it overall body count?
The very first sentence of the OP makes this clear.

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So all those people doing the shooting in Chicago, Baltimore, and Detroit are white?
The OP makes it amply clear that he is not discussing common crime, but is discussing ideologically motivated murder, e.g. terrorism. Common crime isn't an "ideology." It is literally in the title of this thread, and you know it, so your attempts to deflect it back into "black people are violent" stuff is obviously disingenuous nonsense.
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How are you measuring ‘dangerous’? Is it overall body count? Frequency of attacks? Deaths per capita? Some combination of the three?



Also, what counts as a “white supremacist?” Do Trump voters count? If so, does it matter why they voted Trump?
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Semantics is the last refuge of the fascist.
Pithy, but stupid. The argument hinges on how iiandyiiii is defining dangerous. For example, if he's going by body count alone, then all the white supremacist murders in the last 20 years combined don't equal 10% of the death toll of 9/11. So the answer is that white supremacists aren't the biggest ideological threat to American lives.

On the other hand, if he's going by frequency of attacks, then white supremacists probably are the biggest threat (at least, I can't think of another). So definitions matter.

Also, it's pointless trying to have a debate about white supremacy without clearly defining exactly what it is. Of course, in past years this wasn't a problem. Ten years ago, you tell me Bob is a white supremacist and I'd know exactly what you meant. Today, you tell me Bob is a white supremacist and I don't know if he's a member of the KKK or just owns a MAGA hat. Again, definitions matter.

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If I posted, "Communist are the biggest ideological threat to American lives, by far", would questioning the definition of communist be fascist? It is a legit question. Is my 85 year old Uncle a "White Supremacist" or just a cranky old man who uses non-PC words?

Don't start an argument from an unassailable position. Next comes, "I know when I see it".

It is really sad the White Supremacist are still organized and in fairly large numbers in this day. It sucks in fact. You would hope we were moving past this and that younger generations would be free of it.
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Pithy, but stupid. The argument hinges on how iiandyiiii is defining dangerous. For example, if he's going by body count alone, then all the white supremacist murders in the last 20 years combined don't equal 10% of the death toll of 9/11. So the answer is that white supremacists aren't the biggest ideological threat to American lives.

On the other hand, if he's going by frequency of attacks, then white supremacists probably are the biggest threat (at least, I can't think of another). So definitions matter.

Also, it's pointless trying to have a debate about white supremacy without clearly defining exactly what it is. Of course, in past years this wasn't a problem. Ten years ago, you tell me Bob is a white supremacist and I'd know exactly what you meant. Today, you tell me Bob is a white supremacist and I don't know if he's a member of the KKK or just owns a MAGA hat. Again, definitions matter.
Feel free to use your own definition - I've talked about mine in many, many threads. It's okay if you disagree - I'm interested in what others think about this statistic and my supposition.
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Feel free to use your own definition - I've talked about mine in many, many threads. It's okay if you disagree - I'm interested in what others think about this statistic and my supposition.
I haven't read around enough to be 100% familiar with your definition but my impression (and do correct me if I'm wrong) is that it's considerably more expansive than mine. My definition of a white supremacist is someone who believes that America should be a white ethnostate. If such a person got into power, they'd deport non-whites, ban interracial marriage, forbid immigration from non-white countries and other things. To me, white supremacy is an ideology in a way that simple common-or-garden racial bigotry isn't.

The ADL report linked to in the article in your OP doesn't say how it's defining white supremacy. They've included the Parkland massacre as a white supremacist incident, so I'm guessing they're using a more expansive definition than me as well. To me, that throws the cited death toll of 73 into question, which makes it difficult to offer an opinion.
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I haven't read around enough to be 100% familiar with your definition but my impression (and do correct me if I'm wrong) is that it's considerably more expansive than mine. My definition of a white supremacist is someone who believes that America should be a white ethnostate. If such a person got into power, they'd deport non-whites, ban interracial marriage, forbid immigration from non-white countries and other things. To me, white supremacy is an ideology in a way that simple common-or-garden racial bigotry isn't.
By that definition George Wallace and the other segregationist Southern governors of the early '60s were not white supremacists. Want to refine your definition?
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Pithy, but stupid. The argument hinges on how iiandyiiii is defining dangerous. For example, if he's going by body count alone, then all the white supremacist murders in the last 20 years combined don't equal 10% of the death toll of 9/11. So the answer is that white supremacists aren't the biggest ideological threat to American lives.
Was Islamic extremism a threat before 9/11 but after the first WTC bombing, when the death toll was small?
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Was Islamic extremism a threat before 9/11 but after the first WTC bombing, when the death toll was small?
And what have they done on US soil or in US airspace in the past 18 years?
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By that definition George Wallace and the other segregationist Southern governors of the early '60s were not white supremacists. Want to refine your definition?
Iím not American, and my knowledge of Wallace is limited, but he seems to fit my definition more than not. He was opposed to interracial marriage and immigration. He may not necessarily have wanted an all white ethnostate but segregationist is only one step removed from that. That said, I certainly think segregationist is a white supremacist policy so Iíd definitely expand my definition to include that.
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Iím not American, and my knowledge of Wallace is limited, but he seems to fit my definition more than not. He was opposed to interracial marriage and immigration. He may not necessarily have wanted an all white ethnostate but segregationist is only one step removed from that. That said, I certainly think segregationist is a white supremacist policy so Iíd definitely expand my definition to include that.
Then you didn't have the dubious pleasure of living through a time when these people did not hide their bigotry, in fact they got elected thanks to it. Back then immigration was restricted, so that was not an issue, but they did not favor deporting anyone.
Segregation was not at all like white ethnostate. Whites in the south needed blacks for the shit jobs. One of the stories in The Martian Chronicles was about blacks fleeing the South for Mars - of course lots fled the South for the North, such as Chicago.
Basically, your definition of white supremacy is way off base.
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White supremacy is the belief that white people are superior and should dominate non-whites. A white supremacist might be just fine having black people close, hell, have them as a big part of their personal life, but they're going to think whites are best left in charge. One of the biggest problems we (whites) have had is that we've turned racist into cartoon characters. It's very easy for whites to say to themselves, "I'm not wearing a white robe or goose stepping down the street so I'm not racist. I'm just being real."

We turned racist into cartoon characters, in part, because overt displays of racism were stigmatized in many public arenas. It was no longer acceptable to express racist ideology in public without couching it in indirect language. The belief that was has to be violent, call for the export of all non-whites, etc,. etc. to be a white supremacist may be one of the reasons expressing such ideology has made a comeback. And it has made a comeback in our public lives.
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I haven't read around enough to be 100% familiar with your definition but my impression (and do correct me if I'm wrong) is that it's considerably more expansive than mine. My definition of a white supremacist is someone who believes that America should be a white ethnostate.
Virtually nobody wants that. Who would do the menial labor?

Your definition of white supremacists excludes slaveowners, the leaders of the Confederacy, and the Apartheid government of South Africa.

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White Supremacy is a big problem in the US, and it's come out into the open more during the Trump Era.

Trump is a demagogue who gives aid and comfort to the racists. He targets and pointing to some version of the "other", whether it's muslims, mexicans, immigrants, blacks, or any group that he thinks can please his fanbase. He talks about invasions and infestations, the way people talk about rats or insects.

But Trump didn't invent this phenomenon, and it won't go away when he leaves the White House. Republicans have been winking at and tolerating race-mongers within the US for decades. Race has been used to get white support from many people who are not helped by Republican economic policies. Think about what Republicans did in 2017 after Trump was elected, and they had majorities in both houses of Congress. They passed a big corporate tax cut, which has not delivered the explosion of growth that was promised, but only an increase in debt.

Also, White Nationalism exists in various forms around the West, not just in the US. It will make it more difficult for countries to work together to address problems, such as climate change. It will make trade policy more confrontational. It will make alliances like NATO lose the ability to function. And it will ultimately result in a more poor and isolated US, which hurts everyone whether white, black, hispanic, asian, or any other group. The irony is that this ideology actually hurts the groups who support it the most.
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Feel free to use your own definition - I've talked about mine in many, many threads. It's okay if you disagree - I'm interested in what others think about this statistic and my supposition.
You started the thread, why don't you give us the summarized version of what White Supremacist means because until 2 weeks ago, I thought it meant KKK & Neo-Nazis.
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It's not just the number killed, it's the number of Americans whose skin is various shades of black or brown or yellow or whatever who are terrorized by the combination of the attacks themselves, the increased level of hostility in meatspace and online, and a government that, at multiple levels from the President down to local racist cops, clearly is on the side of those hostile to these minorities rather than taking the side of the minorities over against those who would make them feel threatened.

White supremacists at all levels feel far more empowered than they did just a few years ago. This is Trump's doing, but given how much things have changed since he took power, getting rid of Trump won't be nearly enough to rewind things to where they were five years ago.
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My only disagreement is that White supremacy isn't just a danger to Americans. It's the greatest danger to everyone living on this planet.
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The emergence of right-wing nationalism and white supremacists around the world is undoubtedly the greatest existential threat of our time. It isn't the body counts or the associated statistics linked to racially motivated crimes du jour - those are merely KPIs. It's the public sentiment and the shockingly large numbers of tacit supporters of this evil ideology that has been revealed that is truly staggering. Despite my own cynicism, it is to my shock and horror that I find democratic societies edging ever closer to the precipice of another worldwide tragedy fueled by fascism.
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The emergence of right-wing nationalism and white supremacists around the world is undoubtedly the greatest existential threat of our time. It isn't the body counts or the associated statistics linked to racially motivated crimes du jour - those are merely KPIs. It's the public sentiment and the shockingly large numbers of tacit supporters of this evil ideology that has been revealed that is truly staggering. Despite my own cynicism, it is to my shock and horror that I find democratic societies edging ever closer to the precipice of another worldwide tragedy fueled by fascism.
You're not wrong, QuickSilver.

The problem with the spread of global nationalism and authoritarianism is that it takes a world that is predicated on cooperation between people, and replaces it with one in which there is an ever-intensifying competition for land and resources. Nationalists live in a zero-sum world, and they live based on assumptions of scarcity. It is the assumptions of scarcity that allow them to justify both to themselves and to others the atrocities that they commit.

The rationalize goes something like this:

"What choice do WE have? THEY are invading and taking OUR resources! WE have to defend OURSELVES against THEM. WE must destroy the invaders and the backstabbers who enable THEM"

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My only disagreement is that White supremacy isn't just a danger to Americans. It's the greatest danger to everyone living on this planet.
This sounds like silly hyperbole.
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This sounds like silly hyperbole.
Fair enough.

It is a much greater danger to those who do not subscribe to White Supremacy than to those who do. For them, things like being anti-vaxx are more likely to kill them and their children.

And of course, if you happen to be of a demographic favored by white supremacists, then you also may not find the threat to be all that great, as the threat is to other people, not to you.

Unfortunately, even if they manage to eradicate or subjugate all the people they feel are inferior, they will still be living on a much worse planet.

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This sounds like silly hyperbole.
You know, even Tucker Carlson takes a break once in a while.
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For the record, I think global climate change is indisputably the greatest threat to not only American lives, but the entire planet. But ethno-nationalism is dangerous in that it complicates how nations and leagues of nations coordinate responses to cataclysmic climatic changes. Civilizations have been extinguished by climate change, and also in part because civilizations were inept when it came to adapting in the face of such events.

A nuclear war or a war involving weapons of mass destruction is absolutely within the realm of the possible, and while not every nationalist movement is fueled by racial divisions, nationalist movements are much more likely to be inspired by ethnic tensions than nationalist movements that occur elsewhere.
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My only disagreement is that White supremacy isn't just a danger to Americans. It's the greatest danger to everyone living on this planet.
Look, there's no need to jump to hyperbole. It's enough to say that X is bad. Pushing it extremes doesn't help the case.

If I want to promote an anti-leukemia campaign, I can just say it's a bad, bad disease. I don't have to claim that it's the deadliest killer on the planet.
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Look, there's no need to jump to hyperbole. It's enough to say that X is bad. Pushing it extremes doesn't help the case.

If I want to promote an anti-leukemia campaign, I can just say it's a bad, bad disease. I don't have to claim that it's the deadliest killer on the planet.
Right, if you just ignore the times that race has been used as a reason to oppress or murder people, then you can sweep it under the rug as not that big a deal.

The entire world was at war over this not all that long ago. Is it because the generation is now dying that had to go across the oceans to die for the notion that racial supremacy has no place among us that people are thinking of this as some ephemeral notion that has never taken hold, and so could never pose a threat?

You may not think that it is that big a deal, but you have not posed any argument as to why, just provided examples of other things that we also need to be concerned about, not explained how they are worse than an ideology that has already been shown to be extremely dangerous.
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You may not think that it is that big a deal, but you have not posed any argument as to why, just provided examples of other things that we also need to be concerned about, not explained how they are worse than an ideology that has already been shown to be extremely dangerous.
What about nuclear war? The Cuban missile crisis was a lot more recent than the end of WW2, and nuclear weapons are growing ever more prevalent.
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A white supremacist could wear a MAGA hat or a white hood. But this thread isn't about counting the number of white supremacists; it's about assessing the damage they do. A guy in either sort of headgear who just stays at home posting rants online about Those People is loathsome, but mostly harmless. A guy in either sort of headgear who grabs his guns and goes out to shoot Those People is a serious problem.
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A white supremacist could wear a MAGA hat or a white hood. But this thread isn't about counting the number of white supremacists; it's about assessing the damage they do. A guy in either sort of headgear who just stays at home posting rants online about Those People is loathsome, but mostly harmless. A guy in either sort of headgear who grabs his guns and goes out to shoot Those People is a serious problem.
I disagree. They guy who stays home and posts rants online helps create the culture where the supremacists feel both more aggrieved and more empowered to do anything about it. He and the large majority who won't do anything more in meatspace than yell derogatory things at brown-skinned people make the iceberg larger that the guys who grab their guns are the tip of. Larger iceberg, larger tip.
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I disagree. They guy who stays home and posts rants online helps create the culture where the supremacists feel both more aggrieved and more empowered to do anything about it. He and the large majority who won't do anything more in meatspace than yell derogatory things at brown-skinned people make the iceberg larger that the guys who grab their guns are the tip of. Larger iceberg, larger tip.
Agree 100%.

It's the people online who reinforce the attitudes of the MAGA hat-wearing goons and the white nationalist terrorists. Moreover, bit by bit, day by day, the online racist holy warriors also help to normalize their racist ideology. Sure, the average person understands that white nationalism is going to be found on sites like Stormfront, and everyone assumes and understands that they're on the fringe - that's not really the point.

The point is that while mainstream society recognizes that Stormfront and 8ch may be fringe spaces of the internet, they are visited by people who operate without notice in mainstream society - and that is the danger. There are seemingly "normal" people who go home on a Friday night, spend the entire weekend deepening their radicalization online, and head to work Monday with more hardened and toxic attitudes than they had when they came home on Friday. And they take toxic ideas and potentially toxic behaviors out into the mainstream world without anyone noticing until they show up at a synagogue or a shopping center with assault rifles and body armor.

The danger is, you don't know who from "normal" world is lurking and engaging in these fringe spaces. It could be your boss, your co-worker, your next door neighbor, or even a friend or relative. You'd have no idea.
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ISTM that if this same thread had been written 10 years ago, but replaced "white supremacists" with "muslims", then the posters who are nit-picking and arguing would have been 1000% "F*ck yeah!"

The argument that young muslims were radicalized by online echo chambers would have been accepted without dispute, and all arab mulims would have been suspect and tarred with the same bruch. Yet now, we observe the identical process occurring, but with white people, and OMG!

Shoe, meet other foot.
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ISTM that if this same thread had been written 10 years ago, but replaced "white supremacists" with "muslims", then the posters who are nit-picking and arguing would have been 1000% "F*ck yeah!"

The argument that young muslims were radicalized by online echo chambers would have been accepted without dispute, and all arab mulims would have been suspect and tarred with the same bruch. Yet now, we observe the identical process occurring, but with white people, and OMG!

Shoe, meet other foot.
Literally no-one in this thread is doing that
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ISTM that if this same thread had been written 10 years ago, but replaced "white supremacists" with "muslims", then the posters who are nit-picking and arguing would have been 1000% "F*ck yeah!"

The argument that young muslims were radicalized by online echo chambers would have been accepted without dispute, and all arab mulims would have been suspect and tarred with the same bruch. Yet now, we observe the identical process occurring, but with white people, and OMG!

Shoe, meet other foot.
Bullshit! But thank you for the broad brush that you used.
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ISTM that if this same thread had been written 10 years ago, but replaced "white supremacists" with "muslims", then the posters who are nit-picking and arguing would have been 1000% "F*ck yeah!"

The argument that young muslims were radicalized by online echo chambers would have been accepted without dispute, and all arab mulims would have been suspect and tarred with the same bruch. Yet now, we observe the identical process occurring, but with white people, and OMG!

Shoe, meet other foot.
Other than one day in September 18 years ago, radical Muslims haven't been much of a problem in the United States.
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ISTM that if this same thread had been written 10 years ago, but replaced "white supremacists" with "muslims", then the posters who are nit-picking and arguing would have been 1000% "F*ck yeah!"

The argument that young muslims were radicalized by online echo chambers would have been accepted without dispute, and all arab mulims would have been suspect and tarred with the same bruch. Yet now, we observe the identical process occurring, but with white people, and OMG!

Shoe, meet other foot.
White people not the same as white supremacists
Muslims not the same as radical islamicists (or whatever you want to call them).

Please.
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I disagree. They guy who stays home and posts rants online helps create the culture where the supremacists feel both more aggrieved and more empowered to do anything about it. He and the large majority who won't do anything more in meatspace than yell derogatory things at brown-skinned people make the iceberg larger that the guys who grab their guns are the tip of. Larger iceberg, larger tip.
Stochastic terrorism.

Most of them are not going to do physical harm themselves, but you get enough of them together, with them all stoking each others fears and hatreds, and the chances that one of them goes out and starts shooting people starts going up quickly.

Individually harmless; collectively a very serious threat.
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That's why I said mostly harmless. And I meant that by comparison with the crazies who go on shooting sprees. Even mostly-harmless folks can be dangerous in sufficient numbers.

Or to put it a different way: If there were only a small number of the stay-at-home trolls, they wouldn't be a problem. But even a small number of shooters is a problem.
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White supremacists have murdered 73 people since the Charlottesville march. I don't believe any other ideology, including extremist versions of Islam, comes close. I've thought that the thread title has been accurate for pretty much all of American history, but it's becoming more urgently dangerous in the last couple of years, as compared to recent decades.

This has always been the worst of America, and the biggest ideological danger to Americans, IMO. If you disagree, what other ideology do you think possess such a clear and deadly threat to Americans?
Depends on how "direct" a death has to be to pose a "threat." As much flack as Neil DeGrasse Tyson caught for his insensitive tweet, he had a point: Society doesn't consider all deaths the same. The 73 deaths that you are talking about are outright killing deaths, but if there is an ideology that "climate change is fake," that ideology could indirectly lead to millions of American deaths.
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Depends on how "direct" a death has to be to pose a "threat." As much flack as Neil DeGrasse Tyson caught for his insensitive tweet, he had a point: Society doesn't consider all deaths the same. The 73 deaths that you are talking about are outright killing deaths, but if there is an ideology that "climate change is fake," that ideology could indirectly lead to millions of American deaths.
I don't know that climate change denial is entirely separated from white supremacism. It is the countries that are full of people who are not white who stand to suffer the most, and who have contributed the least towards the problem.

In fact, a common refrain from those who do not think that we should do anything about climate change is to point at developing countries and demand that they get their act together before we lift a finger in our.

In the future, after climate change has started creating millions more refugees, most of whom will not be white, white supremacy will again rear its head to come up with excuses as to why we cannot take them in.
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I don't know that climate change denial is entirely separated from white supremacism. It is the countries that are full of people who are not white who stand to suffer the most, and who have contributed the least towards the problem.

In fact, a common refrain from those who do not think that we should do anything about climate change is to point at developing countries and demand that they get their act together before we lift a finger in our.

In the future, after climate change has started creating millions more refugees, most of whom will not be white, white supremacy will again rear its head to come up with excuses as to why we cannot take them in.
Then substitute anti-vaxx ideology, or some other ideology that doesn't involve killing with guns, but nonetheless is dangerous. I think the OP is only referring to violent-killing deaths in his ideology, not indirect deaths.


As for the 73 deaths caused by white supremacists, it has never caused me to worry for my own safety. 73 deaths is an absolutely tiny fraction of a percent of the U.S. population; I have never worried about someone gunning me down while I'm at Walmart or McDonald's.
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Then substitute anti-vaxx ideology, or some other ideology that doesn't involve killing with guns, but nonetheless is dangerous. I think the OP is only referring to violent-killing deaths in his ideology, not indirect deaths.
Have there been even 73 deaths due to anti-vaxx in the US? That could become a problem, but at the moment, it's not really having the viral growth as White Supremacism does. I don't see anti-vaxx growing in quite the same fashion either.

It's more than just direct deaths, it is oppression and exploitation as well.
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Well, I'm not too worried about being targeted by a white supremacist either, but then, I'm white, so there's that...

The danger of white supremacy is that it is insidious and infectious. It tells young white men that they are special, that they should have better lives, and that the reason that they don't, the source of all their problems and ills, is the "other". It's easy to fall for, as it is flattering to the listener. The listener feels like they are smarter than, and now less ignorant than the rest of the population that just doesn't get it yet. The more they listen, the more they get flattered, and the more the "other" is denigrated.

If we had never seen any point in history where white supremacism didn't get out of control and cause wars and violence, then maybe this would be an academic discussion, and you could compare a white supremacist to people who do hot yoga. But, as white supremacy des in fact have a history of inciting violence and oppression wherever it has taken hold, this is not such an ephemeral argument.
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Do you ever worry about being asked to see your green card? If not, then perhaps you don't have as much to worry about when it comes to being targeted by white supremacists.
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Do you ever worry about being asked to see your green card? If not, then perhaps you don't have as much to worry about when it comes to being targeted by white supremacists.
White supremacists are among many ideologues who favor restrictions on immigration.
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Do you ever worry about being asked to see your green card? If not, then perhaps you don't have as much to worry about when it comes to being targeted by white supremacists.
People worried about being asked to see their green card.
People targeted by white extremists.

I'd like to post a Venn diagram for this. This is a poor if:then statement.
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You started the thread, why don't you give us the summarized version of what White Supremacist means because until 2 weeks ago, I thought it meant KKK & Neo-Nazis.
In my understanding, the ADL is using it to describe all the folks who target non white people and Jews for violence. Which seems fair to me.
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In my understanding, the ADL is using it to describe all the folks who target non white people and Jews for violence. Which seems fair to me.
OK, just to refine this a hair more. Does target mean active acts or just negative remarks? Creepy jerk attacking any minority group seems pretty easy though I would not have lumped them into White Supremacists myself. But cranky old person both before WWII saying inappropriate things, I'm not going to agree with.
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OK, just to refine this a hair more. Does target mean active acts or just negative remarks? Creepy jerk attacking any minority group seems pretty easy though I would not have lumped them into White Supremacists myself. But cranky old person both before WWII saying inappropriate things, I'm not going to agree with.
Do you consider there to be a significant difference in culpability between one who commits an act of violence and the others who encouraged it?

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