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Old 08-09-2019, 07:03 PM
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Antonio Brown is a douchebag


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Brown will only play football if he can keep using his outdated helmet.
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Old 08-09-2019, 07:17 PM
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Hey now, let’s be fair. I think you’re being too hard on Antonio. The purpose of a helmet is to protect the head, and in his case I’m not sure how much that matters.

Case in point:

Gruden also said he "expects a lot more drama from No. 84" after Brown arrived to camp in a hot-air balloon.

Isn’t it a lost cause by now?

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Old 08-09-2019, 07:23 PM
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I liked this line too:

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Brown started training camp on the non-football injury list with a "minor injury," and it was later reported that he got frostbite on his feet from a cryotherapy machine after using it "without the proper footwear."
He gave himself frostbite. I agree it might be too late for the helmet to help.
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Old 08-09-2019, 07:37 PM
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So glad the Steelers got rid of Brown and Bell.
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Old 08-10-2019, 01:04 AM
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So glad the Steelers got rid of Brown and Bell.
Agree with you there. Did you hear about the time he driving down McKnight Road going over 100 mph?


Now if only Ben would retire...
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Agree with you there. Did you hear about the time he driving down McKnight Road going over 100 mph?
Dude gives us potheads a bad name.
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Agree with you there. Did you hear about the time he driving down McKnight Road going over 100 mph?


Now if only Ben would retire...
I agree with USAF: there's something scrambled upstairs with that guy. It's beyond just being a rich a-hole football player; he's showing signs of really erratic behavior.
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It been a while since we a true top-tier jackass diva WR, I guess nature decided it was a role that needed filled.
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Old 08-09-2019, 10:21 PM
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It been a while since we a true top-tier jackass diva WR, I guess nature decided it was a role that needed filled.
Brown makes Terrell Owens look like a team player. Fuck I can't stand this piece of crap, and as much as it hurts to call out someone from my alma mater, fuck O'Dell Beckham as well.
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Turns out the Steelers played Oakland in the off-season much better than during the regular season.
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Old 08-10-2019, 04:32 AM
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And there are still people who think that what happened with Brown and Bell are Pittsburgh’s fault. Every day and every headline proves where the fault lies.

I have a theory that when Burfict tried to kill him in the playoffs two years ago it scrambled his brain and CTE is manifesting itself. Prior to that one hit he was a diva, after that he was very erratic in ways he was not before. And now Burfict is his teammate, which is simultaneously sad and wryly amusing at the same time. At least he doesn’t have to worry about that lunatic making him worse than he already did.
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He gave himself frostbite.
Do we know this for sure? Isn't it quite possible that the facility he went to screwed up by not providing proper footwear/explanation/etc?

As for the helmet thing (which I think is hilarious), at this point I think it's too early to conclude that he's serious and not just posturing. Other players like Brady and Rodgers have complained about wanting to use older helmets and worked to grandfather their old models in as long as possible. Sure, when the new rules hit they're quietly going along with them, but Brown's always been a loudmouth. He's not actually going to retire and leave $30 mil on the table over a helmet.

The whole helmet rule is arbitrary anyways... nothing's been shown to be wrong with his helmet model, it's just that the NFL has a blanket rule that helmets older than 10 years aren't approved.

Basically, while these two stories are amusing for their drama, I wouldn't say that they're signs of erratic CTE behavior or anything. Now, if you want to talk about the furniture off the balcony story (which no one in this thread mentioned), that's another thing...

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Old 08-12-2019, 01:41 PM
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Playing devil's advocate...

Do we know this for sure? Isn't it quite possible that the facility he went to screwed up by not providing proper footwear/explanation/etc?
It's far more likely that he screwed it up than they screwed it up. They do this every day, and know what is and isn't dangerous.

However, playing devil's advocate... I'm not keen on slamming the guy even if it was his fault. He didn't get hurt hang gliding, or getting in a drunken brawl at 3am, he got hurt undergoing a legitimate treatment to improve his football career.

Re: the helmet, the real question is what he does when his grievance is turned down. Everything until then is theater, which I expect from a diva WR.
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Old 08-12-2019, 01:58 PM
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However, playing devil's advocate... I'm not keen on slamming the guy even if it was his fault. He didn't get hurt hang gliding, or getting in a drunken brawl at 3am, he got hurt undergoing a legitimate treatment to improve his football career.
Bolding mine, and I'd like a cite. Here is a cite that says whole body cryotherapy is woo.
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Bolding mine, and I'd like a cite. Here is a cite that says whole body cryotherapy is woo.
Fair 'nuff, I'm not in the pocket of Big Cryo. He was hurt undergoing a ... popular ... treatment to improve his football career.

Point being, he wasn't hurt while being an inherently selfish "screw the team, I'll do what I want" ass, he was hurt while genuinely attempting to better himself for the football season. That's the sort of mistake that is forgivable.
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Love the painting of the helmet in similar, but not quite, Oakland colors. AB as Wile-E-Coyote.
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Love the painting of the helmet in similar, but not quite, Oakland colors. AB as Wile-E-Coyote.
I really hope a picture of this surfaces. Unfortunately sounds like it was at a mini camp before Hard Knocks.
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As someone who has never played football in a helmet, what is such a big deal about it? Does the new helmet restrict Brown's vision in some way? Is it heavier? I assume it's safer than his current (old) helmet. Why do guys like Brady fuss about their old vs. new helmets as well?
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As someone who has never played football in a helmet, what is such a big deal about it?
Did you play high-school, college, or the pros without a helmet?
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Did you play high-school, college, or the pros without a helmet?
No, I've only ever played intramural flag football, which is almost nothing like actual real football. But I'm asking why Brown insists on making such a fuss over a helmet switch, when most of the other 2,000 NFL players don't see a big deal with it.
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Does the new helmet restrict Brown's vision in some way?
This is his claim, precisely.
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/8/...ule-retirement
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But you gotta be some special kinda stupid (or stoned) to take a dip in that thing without adequate protection.
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This amusing article discusses Brown’s odds of winning a lawsuit against the NFL:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/08/11/an...-legal-dispute

Spoiler: Not good.
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AB is, in my estimation, simply an attention whore. The helmet kerfuffle is just the latest "pay attention to me!" moment that he needs to distract from his sheer idiocy of freezing the skin off his own feet. Dogs gonna bark, fish gonna swim, ABs gonna need headlines.
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AB is, in my estimation, simply an attention whore. The helmet kerfuffle is just the latest "pay attention to me!" moment that he needs to distract from his sheer idiocy of freezing the skin off his own feet. Dogs gonna bark, fish gonna swim, ABs gonna need headlines.
If he doesn't back this up with a big season, I predict he's about done. LeVeon Bell too.
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If he doesn't back this up with a big season, I predict he's about done. LeVeon Bell too.
Bell just wanted more money, as is his right. He wasn’t an attention whore, or diva. He believed his skills were worth more than he was offered. Regardless of whether he was right or not, he had every right to not play and seek a better deal. AB on the other hand is the type of diva WR which until now I’d only seen in fiction.
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Bell just wanted more money, as is his right. He wasn’t an attention whore, or diva. He believed his skills were worth more than he was offered. Regardless of whether he was right or not, he had every right to not play and seek a better deal. AB on the other hand is the type of diva WR which until now I’d only seen in fiction.
I largely supported Bell’s decision because, as you said, he just wanted more money. He wasn’t under contract and it was his choice. I can’t say I wasn’t annoyed, though, after his “I want to play my entire career in Pittsburgh” and “I’m about to have my best season” comments while turning down an extension better than the contract he ultimately got from the Jets.

But what really pissed me off was his comments in training camp, about how he was ready to touch the ball 450 times to win the Super Bowl, this after justifying his holdout by saying that Pittsburgh was going to use him up, and his apology to fantasy players but not a peep to those of us who supported him even though his actions hurt Pittsburgh by causing a huge distraction. That’s when I realized that he was as big a jackass as Brown is.
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This CBS story contradicts what SB Nation said somewhat:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/l...ting-out-2018/

But this page backs it up:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-york...on-bell-12329/

$27 million in salary guarantees plus $8 million in a signing bonus does total the $35 million that SB Nation reported.

Sports Illustrated also confirms the $35 million:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/13/le...agreement-jets

Bleacher Report says $35 million:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ee-to-contract

I’m guessing it’s $35 million.
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Double down, Anty Brown.
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Zakalwe, if you think that a thread has gotten hijacked, you have a number of options. You can report the thread. You can politely ask other folks to get back on the topic. You can ignore the hijack and just add more discussion about the original topic (this is probably the most effective option). You seem to be getting way too heated for any of that. You probably ought to take a step back from this thread, and only come back once you've calmed down.
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My WAG regarding Antonio:

I suspect the foot issue is worse than we really know (in terms of how long it will take him to recover), and it's embarrassing and AB can't control it. The complaint about the helmet is something he can control (to a certain extent) so he's going with that. Star players not playing pre-season games is one thing (even common), but he's not even practicing with the team. I mean, why not fight your helmet fight, while practicing with an approved helmet that you hate.... unless maybe your feet are still fucked.
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My WAG regarding Antonio:

I suspect the foot issue is worse than we really know (in terms of how long it will take him to recover), and it's embarrassing and AB can't control it. The complaint about the helmet is something he can control (to a certain extent) so he's going with that. Star players not playing pre-season games is one thing (even common), but he's not even practicing with the team. I mean, why not fight your helmet fight, while practicing with an approved helmet that you hate.... unless maybe your feet are still fucked.
Don't buy it. AB is showing his injured feet on Hard Knocks. He's also shown running and cutting on them in limited time. He's not healed yet, that's for sure, but I don't think there's some big conspiracy to obscure a long term issue.

The helmet thing is just him being a prima donna and rebelling. Breaking in a new helmet is annoying, and if he's one of those superstitious/OCD types who needs his routine it's probably especially distracting. Mayock and Gruden were very tolerant on the foot injury, they are clearly fed up with the helmet thing. I see no way that blowing up the helmet issue is a net gain for him.
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Don't buy it. AB is showing his injured feet on Hard Knocks. He's also shown running and cutting on them in limited time. He's not healed yet, that's for sure, but I don't think there's some big conspiracy to obscure a long term issue.

The helmet thing is just him being a prima donna and rebelling. Breaking in a new helmet is annoying, and if he's one of those superstitious/OCD types who needs his routine it's probably especially distracting. Mayock and Gruden were very tolerant on the foot injury, they are clearly fed up with the helmet thing. I see no way that blowing up the helmet issue is a net gain for him.
While I agree Brown is a prima donna, here's a really good article from Nate Jackson (TE-Broncos) about how big of a deal changing helmets is:

https://deadspin.com/why-antonio-bro...met-1837234576
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While I agree Brown is a prima donna, here's a really good article from Nate Jackson (TE-Broncos) about how big of a deal changing helmets is:

https://deadspin.com/why-antonio-bro...met-1837234576
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on how good that article is.
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While I agree Brown is a prima donna, here's a really good article from Nate Jackson (TE-Broncos) about how big of a deal changing helmets is:

https://deadspin.com/why-antonio-bro...met-1837234576
I’m sure it is. Nevertheless, he has no choice, so suck it up and get on with it. Virtually everybody else manages to adapt and overcome without making it a huge thing of it.
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Question about these helmets he's trying to find:

Years ago i took a 2 week motorcycle safety course where (if we passed) we got our motorcycle drivers licence at the end of the 2 weeks. One thing they preached was never set your helmet on the seat of your bike, because if it fell from that height and hit the ground it was basically useless (to the point where they wouldn't even let us ride in the class if they saw us drop our helmet).

Are modern football helmets the same? Are they rendered unsafe after a certain amount of hits/games?
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Question about these helmets he's trying to find:

Years ago i took a 2 week motorcycle safety course where (if we passed) we got our motorcycle drivers licence at the end of the 2 weeks. One thing they preached was never set your helmet on the seat of your bike, because if it fell from that height and hit the ground it was basically useless (to the point where they wouldn't even let us ride in the class if they saw us drop our helmet).
Yeah, that's a complete line of shit.
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I wonder if AB hasn't had his bell rung one too many times. Maybe it really is time for him to retire.
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Dating advice for the 2019 NFL season: Find someone who loves you like Antonio Brown loves his helmet.
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Even if we grant that the new helmets hinder visibility and make it harder to catch the ball, isn't that a handicap that's being applied uniformly to all receivers? It's not like changing the helmet rules creates an uneven playing field.
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Even if we grant that the new helmets hinder visibility and make it harder to catch the ball, isn't that a handicap that's being applied uniformly to all receivers? It's not like changing the helmet rules creates an uneven playing field.
Yes. It’s analogous to a cornerback complaining that DPI rules are too stringent and he can’t provide coverage like he used to, so he refuses to play until they make an exception for him. Except this is worse, because the impetus for this rule is to protect Brown and other players. (Well, cynically you can say it’s to protect the NFL from lawsuits and improve their public image but potato, poh-tah-toe.)
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You're absolutely right, if Bell suffers a career ending injury in the first year of his contract, he made the right decision to sign with the Jets rather than the Steelers. Other than that, he sacrificed money to get guaranteed money. It is, of course, his decision, and I support his ability to get as much money as he can. But I think you really have to ignore history and common sense to conclude a guy who will make less during the time it is highly unlikely he'll be cut, will make less in yearly salary, and skipped out on $14.5 million is better off.
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God forbid I defend the Steelers (good owners, horrible fans)...
I'm no expert on pro football contracts or the workings of the collective bargaining agreement, but it seems pretty clear from reading some articles on this that Bell cost himself money with his holdout.

I'm not interested in criticizing him for it. I think players need to look out for their own interests, and I've got no time for fans who blather on about "the good of the team" and other bullshit like that. That's especially true in a league where the owners hold so many of the cards. It's not like baseball, where all your money is guaranteed no matter what. Bell took a gamble based on his perceived self-interest. It cost him a year, and will probably cost him some money, but I don't really blame him for doing it.

The whole conversation about him (and Brown, for that matter) seems to be all or nothing. Either the Steelers shafted Brown and Bell, or Brown and Bell are disloyal assholes and the team was right to stand up to them. Brown, especially, does seem like a bit of a strange personality, but there are primadonnas all over professional sports. And sure, Bell wanted a lot of money. But can anyone seriously argue that Pittsburgh wouldn't be a better team if they still had two players who, between them, have almost 20,000 yards from scrimmage over a combined 14 NFL seasons?

There's a decent chance the Ravens are going to suck this season, but I'm certainly happier knowing that their biggest rival won't have one of the best running backs and one of the best wide receivers of the last decade in their lineup. As for the fans, I sort of like Drew Magary's take:
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They’re a bunch of clammy rubes who just witnessed a historically good offense get disassembled thanks to needless acrimony, and they could not be happier about it. Their team is now an ashen heap of failure and they’re fucking BEAMING with pride. Finally, their boys can get back to Stiller Footbaw!
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Back to AB: he didn’t pay a chef he engaged, because a fish head reminded him of the horse-head in The Godfather, making the chef a mob killer, whom he kicked out un-paid. I’ve had days almost exactly like that. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz...chi-fish-head/
Warning: source is TMZ so odds are non-zero this is al bs, which would be tragic.
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Back to AB: he didn’t pay a chef he engaged, because a fish head reminded him of the horse-head in The Godfather, making the chef a mob killer, whom he kicked out un-paid. I’ve had days almost exactly like that. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz...chi-fish-head/
Warning: source is TMZ so odds are non-zero this is al bs, which would be tragic.
Well, the lawsuit itself is real. I downloaded the complaint from the Osceola County Courts website. It doesn't talk about the salmon head, or make any Godfather references. It's a fairly standard claim for unpaid services.

I've uploaded the complaint to my Google drive.

Brown really is a bit of a train wreck.
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Brown is going to make $30 million guaranteed. If he can't find the NFL helmet that meets his EXACT needs, then he has to join the other 99.9999% of the rest of the players and accept the helmet given to him.

I can't imagine the displeasure of the first players to have to play with the face mask in the 1960s but they got over it. These were players that made 5 figures.

Surely Antonio Brown can find a way to adjust to slight modification to the new NFL helmet, and if he is such a great talent, will overcome its limitations. Either way he gets paid. Just get on the field and play fucking football, Antonio and stop being such a fucking crybaby.

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Almost killing a kid with furniture thrown from a balcony during a tantrum makes AB a colossal douchebag. The helmet thing makes him a laughingstock. Get over it, princess.
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Almost killing a kid with furniture thrown from a balcony during a tantrum makes AB a colossal douchebag. The helmet thing makes him a laughingstock. Get over it, princess.
That's the kind of thing I'm talking about: his behavior is erratic and self-destructive. Sure, some of it is probably arrogance, but he's impulsively violent and reckless. That makes me wonder if he isn't already suffering from some form of CTE. Maybe for his sake and the sake of others, retirement is his best option.

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If all WRs have to use the same helmet, surely they're at equal disadvantage now? AB wouldn't be any worse off.
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Two funny side notes to this whole debacle:

1. Its funny how Brown finally deciding to PRACTICE basically gets wall-to-wall coverage on ESPN.

2. Kinda funny how this whole thing makes Gruden look like a clown as he bends over backwards while trying to kiss AB's ass at every turn. Though i suppose you could argue Gruden was always a bit of a clown. At least the GM almost tried to be a little stern, or threaten to be stern in the future... or something.
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Its funny how Brown finally deciding to PRACTICE basically gets wall-to-wall coverage on ESPN.
Wasn't that the whole point of his generating this big controversy?
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