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Also on a small list for, 'Greatest MLB short-heighted player of all time.' This list goes into some detail: https://m.herosports.com/mlb/shortes...se-altuve-aiai

FWIW, from people who've claimed to have met him, Altuve is much shorter than his claimed 5'6".

In other news, and what looks a little strange to my baseball neophyte wagering eye, Game 1 of the Series has Cole and the rest of the Astros as a -200 favorite over the Nats. It opened at -220. http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

What's weird is that a futures bet for the WS as a whole has very similar odds: Astros -220, Nats +180. http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/futures/ I would've expected a greater difference in Game 1, given how much better Cole is than the other, still very good, Astros pitchers.

Anyway, Astros in 6. I think Cole will blow 1 of these games.
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Altuve has 13 career postseason dingers, tied with George Springer for the Astros career record. Of course guys play more postseason games now, but they've both racked them up in just 43 games, which is impressive.
In 2017, Altuve hit seven home runs in the postseason. Only 3 players have hit more home runs in one postseason, and they all hit eight: Barry Bonds in 2002, Carlos Beltran in 2004, and Nelson Cruz in 2011. Beltran's 8 homers came in only 56 plate appearances.
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Also on a small list for, 'Greatest MLB short-heighted player of all time.' This list goes into some detail: https://m.herosports.com/mlb/shortes...se-altuve-aiai

FWIW, from people who've claimed to have met him, Altuve is much shorter than his claimed 5'6".
Short people always seem shorter than they really are. He is probably five-six, but especially next to other pro athletes he looks tiny.

How tall is Peter Dinklage, the guy who plays dwarf Tyrion Lannister on Game of thrones? Most people would guess "I dunno, three feet tall?" You'd think he is half the height of a normal man. Actually he's 4'4", about three quarters the height of a normal man. Similarly, a man who is quite tall - say seven feet tall - will seem to be much taller than a foot more than a six foot tall man. It's odd.
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So in addition to everything else, it will be nice to see Anthony Rendon, who is already the second-best player to ever come out of Rice University and who has a chance to pass Lance Berkman as the best, play some World Series games in Houston. (Third best is either Jose Cruz Jr. or Norm Charlton, depending on how much extra credit you give Charlton for that one World Series.)
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(actually apparently some guy named Pete Runnels is ahead of Cruz and probably Charlton).
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On a sad note, MLB umpire Eric Cooper died at 52. He worked the Yankees-Twins ALDS just 2 weeks ago.
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On a sad note, MLB umpire Eric Cooper died at 52. He worked the Yankees-Twins ALDS just 2 weeks ago.
52 is way too young. 'Blood clot' was stated as the cause of death in the news blurb I read. I'm guessing heart issue from said clot?

Hug your loved ones. We may not get another chance to.
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So in addition to everything else, it will be nice to see Anthony Rendon, who is already the second-best player to ever come out of Rice University and who has a chance to pass Lance Berkman as the best, play some World Series games in Houston.
Rice Owl here. I'd say he's already arguably the best to come out of Rice, despite the shorter (so far) career. Another couple good seasons, and there should be no doubt.

Loved watching him play at Reckling, and I'm taking great pleasure that his World Series debut will be in his hometown where his friends and family and former teammates can watch him

Also, I suppose you can technically count Runnels, but he was only at Rice for the fall semester in '48 (GI bill) and never played baseball for Rice before going out for the majors in the spring of '49. The others all at least played on the school team. He was also coincidentally on the Colt '45s before they became the Astros but only at the tail end of his career and was cut by the team not long after.
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Rice Owl here. I'd say he's already arguably the best to come out of Rice, despite the shorter (so far) career. Another couple good seasons, and there should be no doubt.
(Rendon vs. Berkman)

Purely on the numbers, he isn't quite there yet - it's easy to underestimate how good Berkman was. Rendon this year had a 6.3 WAR, but Berkman had two years of 6.5 and 6.9 - it would take another couple years at his current level and better-than-average longevity for Rendon to win out. (edit: actually looking at the numbers again, Rendon had a 6.6 WAR in 2014, helped by a lot of defensive value - but he's still a bit short on that measure.)

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Short people always seem shorter than they really are. He is probably five-six, but especially next to other pro athletes he looks tiny.
He looks like Andre the Giant compared to Eddie Gaedel.
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And how many walk off homers did Eddie hit, huh?
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But Eddie reached base in every single plate appearance.
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Altuve can't be "much shorter" than his listed 5'6".

For what it's worth, when he first came up back in '11, he was listed at 5'7" (170cm) but a few times admitted his currently listed 5'6" (168cm). The figure was originally fudged by the scouts so the Astros front office wouldn't get scared off a talented player. There's not much reason to doubt the corrected figure that removes the almost de rigeur athlete measurement inflation.
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But Eddie reached base in every single plate appearance.
On the other hand his batting average is ďnot availableĒ or an asterisk...
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Holy shit, this is actually happening! After 86 years, including 33 seasons when DC was without a MLB team of their own, the Nats are about to play a freakin' WORLD SERIES game!!

PLAY BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Stay classy, Astros.

https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/...r-14551952.php

I understand for Game 1, they're bringing in Sean Penn to throw out the first punch.
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https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/...r-14551952.php

I understand for Game 1, they're bringing in Sean Penn to throw out the first punch.
Because everyone knows that accusations are always true and once someone is guilty they can never, ever be forgiven.
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The Astros have ALREADY abandoned their original denial. The accusations - supported by multiple witnesses - were true.
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Scherzer definitely doesn't have his good stuff tonight, and Cole quite definitely does have his. Glad to be down only 2-1 after 2.
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Even gladder to be tied. Man, Soto got all of that one!

No question, I'd still rather have Cole pitching for me than Scherzer right now, but...
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If nothing else, this series really promises some great pitching matchups.
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Even gladder to be tied. Man, Soto got all of that one!

No question, I'd still rather have Cole pitching for me than Scherzer right now, but...
How about now? 😁
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Let that be a lesson to everyone. Nobody loses to Gerrit Cole twenty times in a row.
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Trivia: My GF was Tony LaRussas handler tonight at an event so I got her to ask him about what he and Dusty Baker were screaming at each other in that famous brawl.

I just thought it was fun that she was able to feed him a question from me. No big surprises on the answer. They used to be friends, then they wern't and they were screaming to "Control your players...mind your own business etc..."

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Holy cow. Did not think they were going to pull that off.
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Short people always seem shorter than they really are. He is probably five-six, but especially next to other pro athletes he looks tiny.

How tall is Peter Dinklage, the guy who plays dwarf Tyrion Lannister on Game of thrones? Most people would guess "I dunno, three feet tall?" You'd think he is half the height of a normal man. Actually he's 4'4", about three quarters the height of a normal man. Similarly, a man who is quite tall - say seven feet tall - will seem to be much taller than a foot more than a six foot tall man. It's odd.
Pedroia cant be taller then 5'6"
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538 now give the Nats a 59% chance of winning the WS.
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How about now? 😁
Man, I had to go to bed, the alarm goes off at 5am! Held on through that nerve-wracking bottom of the 4th (Scherzer sure put a lot of men on base last night, but fought his way out of most of the jams he made!), then turned off the TV, went upstairs to bed, checked my phone and...say what?! We just scored another three runs, and I missed it?!?

And then they held on for the win. 1-0 Nats. Amazing.
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538 now give the Nats a 59% chance of winning the WS.
The winner of Game 1 goes on to win a seven game series well more than sixty percent of the time so this actually is kind of pessimistic.

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I've seen Dustin Pedroia up close. I would say he's about 5'9".
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Well, now I have to root for the Nats. After the Astro's took a page from the old Trump crayon drawing (he couldn't read, let alone write a book) and called a Sports Illustrated report fake news, I'm done with them.

Latest story here.

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The Astros seem determined to make everyone hate them. I half expect a player to be caught in an illegal dog fighting operation.

I was rooting for the Astros. I'm all in for the Nats now.
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I've always been a Ryan Zimmerman fan and I was so glad to see him get that dinger in the World Series.
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I thought of something the other day; this is the longest we have ever gone in the expansion era without adding any new teams. The last teams added were in 1998; since then the league structure has not changed at all, though Montreal moved to Washington.

21 years without expansion is the longest since 1901-1960. 15 years without any change at all is just barely the second longest; nothing changed from the 1977 expansion to the 1993 expansion.

I'd think adding a few more teams would be pretty cool, but you have to find a few billionaires in cities willing to build a stadium.
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Off topic, but the Cubs are hiring David Ross as their new manager. I’ve heard he was great in the clubhouse, but being a Cubs manager following Maddon for your first gig in the big leagues won’t be easy.
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I thought of something the other day; this is the longest we have ever gone in the expansion era without adding any new teams. The last teams added were in 1998; since then the league structure has not changed at all, though Montreal moved to Washington.

21 years without expansion is the longest since 1901-1960. 15 years without any change at all is just barely the second longest; nothing changed from the 1977 expansion to the 1993 expansion.

I'd think adding a few more teams would be pretty cool, but you have to find a few billionaires in cities willing to build a stadium.
I assume the stadium situations for Oakland and Tampa need to get figured out first. I assume the Rays will stay somewhere in Florida even though itís just a terrible state for pro sports. Oakland? Who knows where they will end up? Las Vegas would be my bet.
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I assume the stadium situations for Oakland and Tampa need to get figured out first. I assume the Rays will stay somewhere in Florida even though itís just a terrible state for pro sports. Oakland? Who knows where they will end up? Las Vegas would be my bet.
I really don't think baseball will put a team in a city that is the Gambling HQ of the Country. Portland or Virginia seem more likely.
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Why not? The NHL did.

I think the "major" stumbling blocks to the As moving to Las Vegas are the presence of a thriving AAA team with a brand-new stadium and the idiocy of those people who want to build a MLB park on the Strip!
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I really don't think baseball will put a team in a city that is the Gambling HQ of the Country. Portland or Virginia seem more likely.
Where in Virginia? The area already has the Nats and the Orioles and there have been pissing matches over broadcasting rights between the Nats and the Oís

I doubt the gambling thing is a big deal. The NFL, the king of sports gambling, will be there next year. I know the Rose and Black Sox scandals hang over MLB, but thatís from a different era.

Vegas also makes sense as it is still in the Pacific time zone and that helps ratings. The AL west is a bit weird with the teams in both the Central and Pacific time zones, so the Texas teams get late starts (9 PM) for their division night road games.
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You both might be right, but the MLB is somewhat hidebound and I doubt they're quite ready to let a team be in Vegas.

As to the Virginia area, usually see places like Virginia Beach/Norfolk, VA or any of the 3 in NC.
Charlotte, Raleigh or Greensboro/Winston Salem area.
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Off topic, but the Cubs are hiring David Ross as their new manager. Iíve heard he was great in the clubhouse, but being a Cubs manager following Maddon for your first gig in the big leagues wonít be easy.
True, but the last 2 years of his playing career were under Maddon, so I'm sure he picked up a lot.
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Perhaps this should be saved for the hot stove league thread, but MLB is considering a drastic reduction of the minor league system. I think this is alarming, with fewer men playing professional baseball, the talent pool from which MLB is going to draw will be smaller and it's going to degrade the game even more than the past few commissioners have done. Not to mention a lot of towns that support their minor league teams are going to lose out.
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Perhaps this should be saved for the hot stove league thread, but MLB is considering a drastic reduction of the minor league system. I think this is alarming, with fewer men playing professional baseball, the talent pool from which MLB is going to draw will be smaller and it's going to degrade the game even more than the past few commissioners have done. Not to mention a lot of towns that support their minor league teams are going to lose out.
The proposed reduction is only 42 teams, so just one per club for most teams and a few will drop two. It's also not that they will be killed; their affilation will be dropped, and at least some - maybe as many as half - would then move into a special unaffiliated second-chance league for guys trying to work their way back into organized ball.

There's more to it than this, but honestly it kind of sounds like baseball is trying to improve. Part of this program is trying to cut expenses that aren't doing anyone any good in anticipation of paying minor league players more.

I guess the question is, if each team has 25-30 fewer guys in the system, will it make a different on available talent, specially if there is also a second chance league? I don't know that it would. Let's be quite clear; there are a lot of guys in the minors right now who are kept around because the team needs guys to put on the field, and who have next to no chance of being big leaguers. If every team is forced to choose a little harder and cut twenty or thirty men, yes, the odd long shot major leaguer might fall through and be lost, IF they also fail in the second chance league and don't catch on in overseas ball. I don't see how the impact would be that great though. Surely it can't be greater than the impact of not adding another 40 minor league teams from where we are now, right? And nobody seems to think they should do that.
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I'd say more likely than either of those is somewhere in North Carolina (Charlotte is the 800-pound-gorilla, but Durham is more baseball-crazy) and somewhere in Tennessee (more likely Nashville than Memphis, but both have excellent baseball foundations). All three other major sports leagues have teams in those two states.
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Plus I’m not sure how the political situation in Portland would work as there are definitely a lot of fairly hard left and anti gentrification activists in the city that might throw out endless objections and I’d assume the team would want to be in downtown, it’s truly an amazing city in the summer.
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The proposed reduction is only 42 teams, so just one per club for most teams and a few will drop two. It's also not that they will be killed; their affilation will be dropped, and at least some - maybe as many as half - would then move into a special unaffiliated second-chance league for guys trying to work their way back into organized ball.

There's more to it than this, but honestly it kind of sounds like baseball is trying to improve. Part of this program is trying to cut expenses that aren't doing anyone any good in anticipation of paying minor league players more.

I guess the question is, if each team has 25-30 fewer guys in the system, will it make a different on available talent, specially if there is also a second chance league? I don't know that it would. Let's be quite clear; there are a lot of guys in the minors right now who are kept around because the team needs guys to put on the field, and who have next to no chance of being big leaguers. If every team is forced to choose a little harder and cut twenty or thirty men, yes, the odd long shot major leaguer might fall through and be lost, IF they also fail in the second chance league and don't catch on in overseas ball. I don't see how the impact would be that great though. Surely it can't be greater than the impact of not adding another 40 minor league teams from where we are now, right? And nobody seems to think they should do that.
I tend to agree, this isnít the 1940s where scouts had to travel around and some guy could come off a farm somewhere and be a major league prospect. Minor league baseball is fun for what it is, but even me as just as fan can often tell after a few innings the guys that are just out there to fill a spot on the roster because youíve got to have 9 men out there. I imagine the teams that will have their affiliation removed are the ones that struggle drawing and/or havenít upgraded their facilities in a long time.

Also, college baseball is becoming almost like a minor league system as well. There really just isnít a need for a huge traditional minor league system these days
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and somewhere in Tennessee (more likely Nashville than Memphis, but both have excellent baseball foundations)
Memphis, I know, is already home to the Cardinals' Triple-A affiliate.
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I'd say more likely than either of those is somewhere in North Carolina (Charlotte is the 800-pound-gorilla, but Durham is more baseball-crazy) and somewhere in Tennessee (more likely Nashville than Memphis, but both have excellent baseball foundations). All three other major sports leagues have teams in those two states.
Nashville is small for MLB, but, granted, most remaining cities are.

If you assume you have a billionaire and a stadium, the best city is, I am afraid, New York or LA.

OK, you want to limit this to cities without existing teams? Montreal, by a wide margin, is the biggest handy market. Again, we're assuming a waiting owner and a new ballpark. You'd get the fans.
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