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Old 05-19-2020, 02:39 PM
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Things there isn't really a fancy version of


Cars are the kind of thing where there is a big difference in what is owned by an average vs. a rich person. Your average person might have a 7 year old Nissan Altima worth $4,000, and a rich person might have a $90,000 new Lexus SUV.

But I'm thinking of items where there isn't really a luxury version. Toilet paper springs to mind. Once you've upgraded from Walmart brand to Cottonelle, is there anywhere else to go? I mean, I'm sure somebody somewhere is selling mink TP, but it's not what most wealthy people use. Or toothpaste? If I sneak into Bill Gate's bathroom, would I find something other than Colgate?

What else is there not really a fancy version of?
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Straight peanut butter. Nothing added to make it "gourmet".
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Straight peanut butter. Nothing added to make it "gourmet".
They are trying. There's the "all natural/no added sugar/no added salt/no added anything" brands. Also cashew butter, pecan butter, almond butter, pistachio butter, sunflower seed butter, etc.
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They are trying. There's the "all natural/no added sugar/no added salt/no added anything" brands. Also cashew butter, pecan butter, almond butter, pistachio butter, sunflower seed butter, etc.
"All natural/no added sugar/no added salt/no added anything" shouldn't drive up the price due to quality or scarcity.

There's no super rare and expensive peanut to make PB from
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Also cashew butter, pecan butter, almond butter, pistachio butter, sunflower seed butter, etc.
Try dry-roasted macadamia nut butter, preferably with only a little salt added.

A lot more expensive than peanut butter, but a lot nicer.
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Straight peanut butter. Nothing added to make it "gourmet".
I not sure if you'd call it gourmet but I did see a store selling fresh ground peanut butter.
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Drill bits or saw blades? Hand tools? There's some expensive ones out there to be sure but I can't imagine any super rich hobbyists to be using something any fancier than the guys at the local dealership or cabinet shop might have around.
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Drill bits or saw blades? Hand tools? There's some expensive ones out there to be sure but I can't imagine any super rich hobbyists to be using something any fancier than the guys at the local dealership or cabinet shop might have around.
The cabinet shop has a big CNC router, something like this. It costs about that of a mid-range car when you've added all the accessories.

There's very little it can do that someone with a $100 router from Home Depot can't, except that it requires 1/100th the labor. A rich hobbyist could certainly afford one, and allow concentrating on the fun parts of the hobby instead of the tedious parts.
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The cabinet shop has a big CNC router, something like this. It costs about that of a mid-range car when you've added all the accessories.

There's very little it can do that someone with a $100 router from Home Depot can't, except that it requires 1/100th the labor. A rich hobbyist could certainly afford one, and allow concentrating on the fun parts of the hobby instead of the tedious parts.
I was speaking of hand tools and tooling. In that regard there is definately both low and high end stuff, but I don't know if it would be high end enough to be considered fancy.

Production machines can break into the millions, easily.
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Drill bits or saw blades? Hand tools? There's some expensive ones out there to be sure but I can't imagine any super rich hobbyists to be using something any fancier than the guys at the local dealership or cabinet shop might have around.
The pro mechanics tend to be the ones using the expensive tools like Snap-On, since they use the damn things daily for their livelihood and a broken tool means downtime when they're not earning (plus skinned knuckles). So you're right, the rich guys who want tools for home just buy the stuff that the pros use.
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Drill bits or saw blades? Hand tools? There's some expensive ones out there to be sure but I can't imagine any super rich hobbyists to be using something any fancier than the guys at the local dealership or cabinet shop might have around.
I have a wealthy friend (Simon) who is a pretty good craftsman. He visited a guy (Tom) who is an excellent craftsman, top of the (specialized) field, and makes a lot of money selling stuff he's made. Simon said he was hoping to learn Tom's secret when he toured the workshop. But there were the same tools he had, and in many cases, cheaper tools than he had. Tom's secret sauce is his skill and attention to detail.

So, yeah, hobbyists sometimes buy more expensive stuff than pros. But not a lot more expensive.
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I have a wealthy friend (Simon) who is a pretty good craftsman. He visited a guy (Tom) who is an excellent craftsman, top of the (specialized) field, and makes a lot of money selling stuff he's made. Simon said he was hoping to learn Tom's secret when he toured the workshop. But there were the same tools he had, and in many cases, cheaper tools than he had. Tom's secret sauce is his skill and attention to detail.

So, yeah, hobbyists sometimes buy more expensive stuff than pros. But not a lot more expensive.
You've got me imagining a top notch mechanic visiting Leno's garage, im sure its impressive as all hell.

I'd spend a weeks vacation just to go stare at his motorcycles from across the street if I could.
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I not sure if you'd call it gourmet but I did see a store selling fresh ground peanut butter.
Shoot, the hippy-dippy health food store I used to patronize in Charlottesville in the early 1980s did that. When you bought their natural PB, they'd pour peanuts into the hopper right in front of you, turn on the grinder, and out would come fresh, warm, totally natural PB. Loved eating it right away while it was still warm, and it had the best texture and mouthfeel. And it didn't cost much more than the PB in the grocery stores.
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How about smartphones? Unless you put diamonds all over them, I expect Bill Gates and I have pretty much the same phone.
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Cars are the kind of thing where there is a big difference in what is owned by an average vs. a rich person. Your average person might have a 7 year old Nissan Altima worth $4,000, and a rich person might have a $90,000 new Lexus SUV.
$90k Lexus?

When I travelled to Palo Alto for work, there was a McLaren dealership near the hotel. Dozens of $200k+ cars just sitting around the lot like they were Volvos or Fords.




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But I'm thinking of items where there isn't really a luxury version. Toilet paper springs to mind. Once you've upgraded from Walmart brand to Cottonelle, is there anywhere else to go? I mean, I'm sure somebody somewhere is selling mink TP, but it's not what most wealthy people use. Or toothpaste? If I sneak into Bill Gate's bathroom, would I find something other than Colgate?
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Lexus is more a mid range luxury car.

The truly rich have cars that cost six figures. Lexus maxes out at high five figures.

I'd say electric fans. I don't think there's a rich people version of one.

Electronics too. Yeah you can get a bigger TV but what can you do to upgrade a gaming console, DVD player, phone etc? Cover it in gold and diamonds? There isn't some super fast PS4 out there you can buy for five figures.

My impression is some 'rich people stuff' is just the regular product with bling on it.

Some foods, but not others. There is rich people beef, seafood and alcohol. Not so much chicken, pork and soft drinks.
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Some foods, but not others. There is rich people beef, seafood and alcohol. Not so much chicken, pork and soft drinks.
Andy Warhol (in discussing his interest in mass-produced product labels like Campbell's soup) pointed out that such products have a fascinatingly democratic quality to them. A billionaire, king, or president drinks the same quality of Coca-Cola as a hobo. This was less common before mass production came along.
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Andy Warhol (in discussing his interest in mass-produced product labels like Campbell's soup) pointed out that such products have a fascinatingly democratic quality to them. A billionaire, king, or president drinks the same quality of Coca-Cola as a hobo. This was less common before mass production came along.
Soda was the first thing that spring to my mind. If there are luxury colas or cola snobs who prefer them, I've never encountered any. The most common, ubiquitous brands, like Coke and Pepsi, are the ones most people seem to prefer.
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Regarding the simple addition of bling:

Musical instruments usually have a very strong correlation between tangible quality and price. Most accomplished professionals play pretty high-quality stuff.

But some instruments (like guitars) sell in very large numbers to casual amateurs who, if they have tons of money and want to go all out, can find manufacturers who will be happy to add some ridiculously expensive, useless options.

A friend of mine used to go to guitar company websites which have online tools for the customer to specify options, and see how expensive a guitar he could design by adding high-end baubles (wood that violates international laws, gold-plated pickguard, acres of mother-of-pearl, etc.) Because the results looked like a guitar a dictator would own, he gave them names like Martin Strongman, Taylor Despot, etc.
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I'd say electric fans. I don't think there's a rich people version of one.

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Ha. My wife managed to find some very expensive fans. Dyson I think.
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Ha. My wife managed to find some very expensive fans. Dyson I think.
If you're really rich, though, you get your servants to wave palm fronds at you.
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Or richer yet, then your slaves.
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Yeah you can get a bigger TV but what can you do to upgrade a gaming console, DVD player, phone etc? Cover it in gold and diamonds?
Yes. (Bought by the same kind of idiots who buy 6- and 7-figure wristwatches.)
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Electronics too. Yeah you can get a bigger TV but what can you do to upgrade a gaming console, DVD player, phone etc?
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I'd say electric fans. I don't think there's a rich people version of one.
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There is!

Though I'd argue there are 3 tiers of stuff:
1) Regular-people stuff.
2) Fancier stuff that may offer some value but also may just be nifty and/or pandering to the label-conscious - for those who have a bit more than middle-class income but would not qualify as "rich"
3) Rich people stuff

Dyson fans, and Lexus cars, would fall into category 2. A 20 dollar box fan or 30 dollar oscillating fan would do the job, as would a Ford compact car. Things in the second category may offer some bells and whistles above the first but aren't really game-changers in terms of function.
Category 3, though, is for people who have either "more dollars than sense (cents)", or have very specific performance requirements.
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Not so much chicken, pork and soft drinks.
There are, but they're more along the lines of small-time "artisanal" producers of chicken and pork, who often have heirloom breeds, etc...

I mean, you don't hear about Mangalitsa pigs unless you're looking at the higher-end pork. But then again, rich people don't generally pay for high end raw materials like pork, chicken, beef, etc... they pay a chef to make them delicious food, who sources that stuff because *they* think it tastes better, etc...

Soft drink wise, there are higher end brands, but they're not *that* high end. I mean, you can go buy Fever Tree, Fentimans or any number of super-local sodas made by bearded hipsters, but they're not (at least to me), markedly superior to the mass-market stuff, especially when talking about commonplace flavors.

That's the catch- in lots of stuff, there are higher end options, but they're not *that* much higher end. For my vote on the OP's question, I'm going to nominate laundry detergent and dishwasher detergents. Somehow I doubt that the super-rich (or their servants) are using some sort of laundry detergent made from organic coconuts, or that they have some kind of special dishwasher detergent. Their undies are getting washed in Tide or Gain just like everyone else.

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Breakfast cereal. I collect breakfast cereal, and even the most expensive, organic, ancient grains fancy stuff doesn't cost much more than the average box. The only time you will pay more for breakfast cereal is if it's a discontinued variety that is no longer available in stores.
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...Electronics too. Yeah you can get a bigger TV but what can you do to upgrade a gaming console, DVD player, phone etc? Cover it in gold and diamonds? There isn't some super fast PS4 out there you can buy for five figures....
Well sure, if you simply want to only be a console peasant.... Though even there, the whole experience is a lot snazzier with a bunch of speakers and a giant TV.

On the food part, there may not be rich people chicken and pork, but your local farmers market may have examples of both of those that go for 3-6 times per pound what a typical grocery pork chop or broiler does. Are they worth it? Ehhhh, depends on your budget. I'd say they taste different.

For sodas there's always stuff from foreign countries. The engineering that goes into some Japanese soft drinks is amazing. Not a repeat buy from me though.
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If you want to see luxury car showrooms, go to Monaco. $200k is cheap there.
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$3.20 a pair, common cotton
$24 a pair, Modal blend
$48 a pair, Merino wool

I hate to keep using my wife as an example, but she finally got tired of my $5 underwear. I think she's spending over $50 per pair now. I must say, they are super comfortable. I would not be surprised if the top end men's stores had underwear over $100/pr.
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There are, but they're more along the lines of small-time "artisanal" producers of chicken and pork, who often have heirloom breeds, etc...
Yup, I wanted to chime in that I've seen high-end chicken (small farm, heritage breed, pastured) and I have friends who buy high-end pork (similar) which they grill/smoke/etc.

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That's the catch- in lots of stuff, there are higher end options, but they're not *that* much higher end. For my vote on the OP's question, I'm going to nominate laundry detergent and dishwasher detergents. Somehow I doubt that the super-rich (or their servants) are using some sort of laundry detergent made from organic coconuts, or that they have some kind of special dishwasher detergent. Their undies are getting washed in Tide or Gain just like everyone else.
Er... I actually buy laundry detergent that makes fancy claims (although I notice their claims are less fancy than they used to be.)

• EPA Safer Choice Certified
• Leaping Bunny Certified
• USDA Certified Biobased Product 96%
• Contains no dyes or fragrances

https://www.seventhgeneration.com/co...ent-free-clear

On the other hand, I buy it at the supermarket, and it doesn't cost much more than any other laundry detergent. (And no one in my family is allergic to it!)
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The best bagels are made in someone's kitchen in New York. The second best ones at small bakeries, often devoted either just to bagels, or to bagels, and a few other Jewish traditional things: challah bread, chamantashen for Purim, brick-fried matzah, babka, marble rye, Passover desserts.

The third best are made in Jewish kitchens around the world, and not quite as good as New York, but very, very good.

All the rest are crap.
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Er... I actually buy laundry detergent that makes fancy claims (although I notice their claims are less fancy than they used to be.)

• EPA Safer Choice Certified
• Leaping Bunny Certified
• USDA Certified Biobased Product 96%
• Contains no dyes or fragrances

https://www.seventhgeneration.com/co...ent-free-clear

On the other hand, I buy it at the supermarket, and it doesn't cost much more than any other laundry detergent. (And no one in my family is allergic to it!)
That's my point- even the "high end" laundry detergent is sold in grocery stores, and is more about environmental friendliness rather than some perceived higher degree of luxury.

And I bet dishwasher detergent is even more common; I mean, Cascade Platinum and Finish Quantum are about as high-end as it gets, and they're common as dirt.
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$24 a pair, Modal blend
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Biscuits and gravy. You might get fancy with artisan buttermilk biscuits and high-end sausage gravy, but the basic combo doesn't need improvement. (except for maybe adding ground pepper and some Tabasco sauce)

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Biscuits and gravy. You might get fancy with artisan buttermilk biscuits and high-end sausage gravy, but the basic combo doesn't need improvement. (except for maybe adding ground pepper and some Tabasco sauce)
Lots of Southern dishes would come under that heading as well: chicken-fried steak, for example. You can make it poorly, you can make it well, but what you can't do is use expensive meat. The fancy stuff can't take the processing without falling apart.

Greens is greens. Serving them with Modeno balsamic vinegar will just make them taste bad.

Trying to fancy-up blondebear's Biscuits & Gravy just yields a mess. The proper biscuit has to be just right, with enough heft to handle the gravy load. Get too "light and fluffy" with them and they collapse under the sausage-y flood. Like using brioche buns for a burger - just an excuse to charge more, because it certainly doesn't work as a burger.
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Lots of Southern dishes would come under that heading as well: chicken-fried steak, for example. You can make it poorly, you can make it well, but what you can't do is use expensive meat. The fancy stuff can't take the processing without falling apart.
It occurs to me that many dishes like that originated specifically as a way of taking poor quality cuts of meat and making something good out of them. Barbecue would be another example, hell probably the classic example. The whole purpose of barbecue was to take the cheap, tough cuts of meat and make them tender by cooking them for a long time. There's a saying that you can tell if a barbecue place is good by the fact that there are both pickup trucks and Cadillacs in the parking lot. There's no such thing as fancy barbecue. If a place is good people of all economic classes will eat there.
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Straight peanut butter. Nothing added to make it "gourmet".


I can find 16 oz jars of “natural” peanut-only peanut butter for $2.99 sharing a shelf with
16oz (or less) jars of “natural” peanut-only peanut butter for $10+. Somebody buys the expensive stuff and probably with a belief that it (and perhaps they) are superior.


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I was going to say salt, but there are people with extra-disposable income buying expensive Pink Crystal Non-GMO Himalayan Salt.

From an ad for one such product:

"Himalayan salt is hand-harvested from the Khewra Salt Mine in the Himalayan Mountains of Pakistan using time-honored methods, and is unrefined, unprocessed, and does not contain any additives...Because the salt was left untouched for years under the immense pressure of the mountain ranges, Himalayan salt remains one of the purest salts available. It is nutrient dense and contains 84 natural trace elements and minerals, including iron, magnesium, potassium, and calcium, which is where it gets its range of pink color from."

See, it's ultra-pure because of all those impurities! (hilariously, this product also carries a California Prop. 65 warning, apparently due to the lead content)

I don't think there's a Rich Person ground horseradish, but I could be wrong.
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I was going to say salt, but there are people with extra-disposable income buying expensive Pink Crystal Non-GMO Himalayan Salt.

From an ad for one such product:

"Himalayan salt is hand-harvested from the Khewra Salt Mine in the Himalayan Mountains of Pakistan using time-honored methods, and is unrefined, unprocessed, and does not contain any additives...Because the salt was left untouched for years under the immense pressure of the mountain ranges, Himalayan salt remains one of the purest salts available. It is nutrient dense and contains 84 natural trace elements and minerals, including iron, magnesium, potassium, and calcium, which is where it gets its range of pink color from."

See, it's ultra-pure because of all those impurities! (hilariously, this product also carries a California Prop. 65 warning, apparently due to the lead content)
The other hilarious thing is that you can get a big bag of the exact same stuff for pennies on the haute cuisine dollar if you go to an Indian (or Nepali, Pakistani, etc.) grocery store.
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I was going to say salt, but there are people with extra-disposable income buying expensive Pink Crystal Non-GMO Himalayan Salt.

From an ad for one such product:

"Himalayan salt is hand-harvested from the Khewra Salt Mine in the Himalayan Mountains of Pakistan using time-honored methods, and is unrefined, unprocessed, and does not contain any additives...Because the salt was left untouched for years under the immense pressure of the mountain ranges, Himalayan salt remains one of the purest salts available. It is nutrient dense and contains 84 natural trace elements and minerals, including iron, magnesium, potassium, and calcium, which is where it gets its range of pink color from."

See, it's ultra-pure because of all those impurities! (hilariously, this product also carries a California Prop. 65 warning, apparently due to the lead content)
Yeah, I once had a customer ask me if the Pink Himalayan Salt was pure salt. No, pure salt is white. It's the impurities that make this stuff pink

Great, 84 trace elements - that's what, 90% of the naturally occurring on Earth periodic table? Funny how they list the impurities that might have some use to you and ignore all the toxic and/or radioactive ones. Granted, the beryllium, arsenic, cadmium, antimony, mercury, polonium, radium, thorium, uranium, and plutonium are in vanishingly small amounts but I find it hilarious that people who are so concerned about "organic" produce, food purity, anti-GMO, and terrified of toxins are willingly consuming pink salt.
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I don't think there's a Rich Person ground horseradish, but I could be wrong.
Wasabi?
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See, it's ultra-pure because of all those impurities! (hilariously, this product also carries a California Prop. 65 warning, apparently due to the lead content)
It may be that the maker can't be arsed enough to pay the money to test the stuff to prove there's no lead in it needed to get rid of a label that no one pays any attention to.

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