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Old 05-20-2020, 04:28 PM
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From here : https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ncer_in_humans

Table 1 | Most common spontaneous cancers in humans and rodents

Breast carcinoma (Mice -> Yes, Humans -> Yes)
Lung carcinoma (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Prostate (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Colon (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Skin (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Stomach (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Liver (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Endometrial carcinomas (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Leukaemia/lymphoma (Mice -> Yes, Humans -> Yes)
Thyroid (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Bladder (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)

Over 95% of cancer treatments that go to Clinical Trials FAIL!!! after being so successful in mice. Medical scientists have lobbied the FDA to approve any Cancer drug that improves life expectancy by a mere 2.1 months at any cost to the quality of life. Imgine a pateint paying 30 thousand dollars to get 2.1 months more of bedridden life. Even then they keep failing but make more and more money. Cancer drugs are huge moneymakers.

In the last 40 years or so, only an extremely few Cancer drugs have come out. Cancer research has failed miserably to help people with Cancer.

Oh and by the way, they have bred lab mice who are very susceptible to cancers now.
My bolding. They're called knockout mice.

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The first recorded knockout mouse was created by Mario R. Capecchi, Martin Evans, and Oliver Smithies in 1989, for which they were awarded the 2007 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.
I assume this post, as a whole, is intended as evidence that

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....mice never get cancer naturally....
This is the sort of statement that drives me to google. I googled <spontaneous cancer in mice> - there are a lot of hits. There are many publications which predate the advent of the knockout mouse which address spontaneous cancers in mice. I selected a single example as evidence that mice do get cancer. This paper, which is actually titled Spontaneous Cancer In Mice, is more than a century old, and states:

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The present paper is based upon observations and experiments made on 300 mice, obtained in the laboratories of the Imperial Cancer Research Fund since the summer of 1908, and in which cancer had developed spontaneously.
The age of the paper is such that I'm happy that it predates any specialised breeding of mice for experimental purposes. But there is also this paper which specifies that wild mice were studied.

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PS: I should have made it explicit that the quote

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is from an earlier post by am77494 in this side-conversation. Sorry about that.

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Old 05-20-2020, 04:51 PM
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From here : https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ncer_in_humans

Table 1 | Most common spontaneous cancers in humans and rodents

Breast carcinoma (Mice -> Yes, Humans -> Yes)
Lung carcinoma (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Prostate (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Colon (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Skin (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Stomach (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Liver (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Endometrial carcinomas (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Leukaemia/lymphoma (Mice -> Yes, Humans -> Yes)
Thyroid (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
Bladder (Mice -> No, Humans -> Yes)
So you were wrong. OK, thanks for being big enough to admit that.

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Over 95% of cancer treatments that go to Clinical Trials FAIL!!! after being so successful in mice.
And....?

What's your point?

That's true of a LOT of drugs. Hey, did you know thalidomide does NOT cause limb deformities in fetal rodents? It sure does in fetal humans, though! As just one example.

MOST drugs investigated for therapeutic uses for ANY malady turn out to not work or have unacceptable problems. That's why we do testing in the first place. The drop-out rate is not a bug, it's a feature, and it's there to weed out problems. A high failure rate means the clinical testing is doing its job.

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Medical scientists have lobbied the FDA to approve any Cancer drug that improves life expectancy by a mere 2.1 months at any cost to the quality of life. Imgine a pateint paying 30 thousand dollars to get 2.1 months more of bedridden life.
Of course, anyone with a life expectancy of less than 6 months can just opt for hospice and painkillers - I've had a couple relatives/friends who did exactly that. Maybe it's a problem with the "war on cancer" metaphor and being "brave" and "strong" and "never give up" that's a big factor here instead of people coming to grips with terminal illness and focusing on quality of life rather than quantity.

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In the last 40 years or so, only an extremely few Cancer drugs have come out. Cancer research has failed miserably to help people with Cancer.
Go back and do better research. You are very wrong on that.

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Oh and by the way, they have bred lab mice who are very susceptible to cancers now.
Old news - they had those back in the 20th Century.
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I just wish that someone would have the courtesy to show some sympathy for that poor snake. I can hear it screaming as the toddler work to wring it out for the one last drop of Donnie's Majical Hydroxyoil.
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Anyone hear if Trump's "physician" cautioned him that the HCL is ONLY effective when washed down with Clorox?

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He's stopped taking them now that he's gone through all the ones shaped like Betty or Wilma.
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Anyone hear if Trump's "physician" cautioned him that the HCL is ONLY effective when washed down with Clorox?
"Here you go, sir, here's your hydroxycholoroquine tablet to take with a large dose of the sodium hypochlorite medicine."

He would not notice.
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Old 05-21-2020, 02:29 PM
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Anyone hear if Trump's "physician" cautioned him that the HCL is ONLY effective when washed down with Clorox?

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There are people that really believe the bleach stuff.

They have been on this kick for some time. Please note that the story below was published in January.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture...witter-944878/

Trump’s promotion of bleach-drinking was viewed as a victory of sorts.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mms-...navirus-2020-4

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An explanation at last?


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Hydroxychloroquine can cause an encyclopedic catalog of weird side effects (see this lengthy list from Mayo Clinic) including bizarre neurological, psychological, and psychiatric side effects. Here are just a few from the list:
  • feeling that others are watching you or controlling your behavior
  • feeling that others can hear your thoughts
  • feeling, seeing, or hearing things that are not there
  • severe mood or mental changes
  • sticking out of the tongue
  • unusual behavior
So how many years has he been taking it for?
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I don't believe him.. I think he's just trying to make money, as it looks like he's already invested money into this drug.
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Antimalarial drug touted by President Trump is linked to increased risk of death in coronavirus patients, study says
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A study of 96,000 hospitalized coronavirus patients on six continents found that those who received an antimalarial drug promoted by President Trump as a “game changer” in the fight against the virus had a significantly higher risk of death compared with those who did not.

People treated with hydroxychloroquine, or the closely related drug chloroquine, were also more likely to develop a type of irregular heart rhythm, or arrhythmia, that can lead to sudden cardiac death, it concluded.
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I guess he'd better promote just Democrats taking it, amirite?
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