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Old 02-08-2019, 10:09 AM
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Is the United States government hiding the existence of ET visitations?

Have we been visited by extraterrestrials and the government/military-industrial complex is hiding this knowledge because they don’t want free energy technology/the cure for cancer getting out to the public.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:13 AM
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:15 AM
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:16 AM
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:23 AM
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didn’t Rumsfeld say they couldn’t account for $2.1 trillion in defense spending right before 9/11?

How can the United States Congress not account for 2.1 trillion dollars in spending? That’s almost comical.

This is the “black budget” I suspect.

Highly classified programs which may have been built in cooperation with other species/higher dimensional beings.

Many have tried to expose the black budget but they were persecuted for it.


Meanwhile thousands of children continue to die from preventable diseases.....
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:42 AM
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didn’t Rumsfeld say they couldn’t account for $2.1 trillion in defense spending right before 9/11?
I doubt that he did - we don't spend $2.1T on defense even now, let alone in 2001. You might be confusing Don Rumsfeld with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 2001 with 2018, and $2.1T with $21T. Also, Ms. AOC doesn't know what the hell she is talking about.
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This is the “black budget” I suspect.

Highly classified programs which may have been built in cooperation with other species/higher dimensional beings.

Many have tried to expose the black budget but they were persecuted for it.
Oooookay then.

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Old 02-08-2019, 12:00 PM
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I doubt that he did - we don't spend $2.1T on defense even now, let alone in 2001. You might be confusing Don Rumsfeld with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 2001 with 2018, and $2.1T with $21T.
No, this ties back to 9/11 conspiracy theories. Rumsfeld did make a speech, just days before 9/11, that there was $2.1T of spending, over decades, that could not be properly accounted for. He was talking about antiquated government accounting systems that couldn't pull all that info up from a centralized location. There was no implication that we don't know what it was spent for, or that it was hidden somehow, just that our accounting systems had all of the info to track it buried in paperwork or incompatible computer databases.

The nuts took his words to mean that there was $2.1T in spending that were sooper-seekrit.


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The Russians invented the military intelligence tactic of “maskirovka” which means to put a mask over something. It means to throughly disinform/propagndandize/misinform/fake news your enemy.

FOX, CNN, NBC carry the maskirovka tactic into the 21st century.
Hey, what about the SDMB?!? Surely we're part of this conspiracy too!
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Old 02-08-2019, 12:05 PM
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No, this ties back to 9/11 conspiracy theories. Rumsfeld did make a speech, just days before 9/11, that there was $2.1T of spending, over decades, that could not be properly accounted for.
Here's a reference https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-war-on-waste/


"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:22 AM
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I doubt that he did - we don't spend $2.1T on defense even now, let alone in 2001. You might be confusing Don Rumsfeld with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, 2001 with 2018, and $2.1T with $21T. Also, Ms. AOC doesn't know what the hell she is talking about.
Speaking of not knowing what they're talking about - Actually, Rumsfeld claimed they couldn't account for $2.3T. Relevant quote is just past the one minute mark.
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It's inconceivable to me that people in power would keep things like clean energy and cures for diseases from the public when they could much more easily monetize it and make billions of dollars. Why keep relying on oil corporation and big pharma to support you when you can create industries that would make them irrelevant and make you multi-gazillionaire in the process. Even if you assume the worst motives of the people in power, it makes no sense.
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:59 AM
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Meanwhile thousands of children continue to die from preventable diseases.....
Extraterrestrials have tried many times to bring us the vaccine that prevents all disease, but the NASA-Pharma cabal stops them.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:17 AM
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Have we been visited by extraterrestrials and the government/military-industrial complex is hiding this knowledge because they don’t want free energy technology/the cure for cancer getting out to the public.
Probably not. One can never be 100 per cent certain, but as a general rule, the US is not known for being able to keep secrets. Shoot, we could probably figure out Donald Trump's bathroom schedule if it were of interest. I have a tough time believing that the Gilded Don would be able to keep his mouth shut about something like that either. "Today, in the greatest moment in the history of humankind, I Donald Trump- the most wonderful president that has ever existed- have brought you the cure for cancer and free energy from these very, very nice aliens. We will also be putting a very large, very nice Trump tower on Glarfox VI in the near future." For these aliens to exist, there would be at a minimum hundreds if not thousands of people that would know about it and it seems inconceivable that all of them would be steel traps. There certainly would be more than a few death bed confessions and you can posit that the government in its shadowy form would be trying to silence them, but that only means they'd have to let more people in on their secret.

I also find it extremely difficult to believe that Obama or even W would have the 'secret for free energy' floating around and say, "Nah, we'd rather fry the planet with fossil fuel extraction... just because."

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Old 02-08-2019, 11:28 AM
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I have a tough time believing that the Gilded Don would be able to keep his mouth shut about something like that either.
Responses in this thread have already explained why something like this would have never remained secret for decades, but this, in particular, is worth highlighting. Trump would be completely incapable of keeping his trap shut about this.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:30 AM
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The cure for cancer would save the US and the other first world nations a metric buttload of money, besides from the lionization the person to bring a cure form cancer would get. Also, have you noticed that the family of rich, powerful US individuals continue to die from these diseases? If we really had the cure and an extrajudicial, extrastate apparatus for it, do you seriously think Steve Jobs and John McCain would have died from cancer? Further, I don't see how aliens, even aliens with a good enough grip on physics to get here would necessarily know more about our biology than we do.

And if we had free energy available, that kind of makes the last few decades of US foreign policy esp. in the middle east look stupid.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:33 AM
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Have we been visited by extraterrestrials and the government/military-industrial complex is hiding this knowledge because they don’t want free energy technology/the cure for cancer getting out to the public.
As has been mentioned previously, keeping (for example) a cure for cancer secret from the public means that those in the government/military-industrial complex have to be so committed to keeping the secret that they are willing to die, and let their loved ones die, from cancer.

And why would those in the military, or defense contractors, or whoever, not want free energy? If I were a defense contractor, I would be slavering at the thought of replacing every tank, ship, and airplane in the US with something that runs on water (or whatever the idea is). The country that patents this instantly holds the most important industry on the planet.

Why would the government want to continue sending money to Saudi Arabia?

And even the usual excuse for why they keep flying saucers secret doesn't work. Who the hell is going to panic at the prospect of reducing their energy bill to zero?

So I am going to stick my neck out and say No, they aren't hiding the most significant advance in human civilization since the steam engine.

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Old 02-08-2019, 10:41 AM
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How many branches of Government are there? three, how many points on a triangle? three, How many TdF did Lance Armstrong legitimately win? zero.

A three, another three and a zero. 330. Two digits are repeated in that number and what is 330 divided by 2?.....165 and guess what? 165P/Linear is a periodic comet that passes through the solar system........if it truly is a comet of course.

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Old 02-08-2019, 11:01 AM
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Lie, Deceive, discredit and disinform.

The Russians invented the military intelligence tactic of “maskirovka” which means to put a mask over something. It means to throughly disinform/propagndandize/misinform/fake news your enemy.

FOX, CNN, NBC carry the maskirovka tactic into the 21st century.

The mask is covering the real reality (such as ET visitations).

That’s the standard operating procedure which every propaganda machine runs on.

Has had every UFO theorist been so thoroughly discredited by the media/press even years ago?

All three Bush’s were oil men. Prescott Bush, George HW, and George W. They had something to gain from the oil economy.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:04 AM
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Lie, Deceive, discredit and disinform.

The Russians invented the military intelligence tactic of “maskirovka” which means to put a mask over something. It means to throughly disinform/propagndandize/misinform/fake news your enemy.

FOX, CNN, NBC carry the maskirovka tactic into the 21st century.

The mask is covering the real reality (such as ET visitations).

That’s the standard operating procedure which every propaganda machine runs on.

Has had every UFO theorist been so thoroughly discredited by the media/press even years ago?

All three Bush’s were oil men. Prescott Bush, George HW, and George W. They had something to gain from the oil economy.
Nice rant...but have you got any evidence pertaining directly to your own question?
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:06 AM
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Lie, Deceive, discredit and disinform.

The Russians invented the military intelligence tactic of “maskirovka” which means to put a mask over something. It means to throughly disinform/propagndandize/misinform/fake news your enemy.

FOX, CNN, NBC carry the maskirovka tactic into the 21st century.

The mask is covering the real reality (such as ET visitations).

That’s the standard operating procedure which every propaganda machine runs on.

Has had every UFO theorist been so thoroughly discredited by the media/press even years ago?

All three Bush’s were oil men. Prescott Bush, George HW, and George W. They had something to gain from the oil economy.
Why? What is their motivation when fame, glory, riches and you know, not dying from horrible diseases would be the result of revealing such a thing? Instead of seeing the news business get less and less lucrative as they currently do?
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:10 AM
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All three Bush’s were oil men. Prescott Bush, George HW, and George W. They had something to gain from the oil economy.
Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Obama, and Trump were not oil men. What did they have to gain?

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Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Obama, and Trump were not oil men. What did they have to gain?

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Nixon especially-The whole Watergate fiasco would have been forgotten in an instant if he had revealed that he had the means to cure cancer and give us access to unlimited free energy.
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The Russians invented the military intelligence tactic of “maskirovka” which means to put a mask over something. It means to throughly disinform/propagndandize/misinform/fake news your enemy.
"All warfare is based on deception." - Sun Tzu
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The Russians invented the military intelligence tactic of “maskirovka” which means to put a mask over something.


Why didn't they just call if "mask"?" It means the same thing, and it uses six fewer letters to spell, and three fewer syllables to say.
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Why didn't they just call if "mask"?" It means the same thing, and it uses six fewer letters to spell, and three fewer syllables to say.
Possibly because "maskirovka" is a Russian word, but "mask" doesn't have an appropriate meaning in Russian?
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Why didn't they just call if "mask"?" It means the same thing, and it uses six fewer letters to spell, and three fewer syllables to say.
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Possibly because "maskirovka" is a Russian word, but "mask" doesn't have an appropriate meaning in Russian?
IOW, they made it different, just for the sake of being "different?" Typical Russki arrogance.

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IOW, they made it different, just for the sake of being "different?" Typical Russki arrogance.
I agree. Different languages having different words for the same thing is dumb.
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IOW, they made it different, just for the sake of being "different?" Typical Russki arrogance.
I hear that in Japan, they call the tactic "Hensō". Arrogant fuckers!
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The Russians invented the military intelligence tactic of “maskirovka” which means to put a mask over something. It means to throughly disinform/propagndandize/misinform/fake news your enemy.
Go read The Man Who Never Was. The Soviets hardly invented the tactic, (even if they coined a word for it).

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Go read The Man Who Never Was. The Soviets hardly invented the tactic, (even if they coined a word for it).
The Man Who Never Was was based on a deception that occurred in 1943. Maskirovka as a term and doctrine is older than that, so reading the book wouldn't prove anything. But of course deceiving the enemy in general has been around forever.
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The Man Who Never Was was based on a deception that occurred in 1943. Maskirovka as a term and doctrine is older than that, so reading the book wouldn't prove anything. But of course deceiving the enemy in general has been around forever.
I seem to recall some old story about some guys in a wooden horse on the shores of the Aegean, ca. 1200 BC. for example.
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Old 02-14-2019, 06:53 AM
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The Man Who Never Was was based on a deception that occurred in 1943. Maskirovka as a term and doctrine is older than that, so reading the book wouldn't prove anything. But of course deceiving the enemy in general has been around forever.
"Quaker Guns" in the US Civil War is another example.
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Aye, what's the saying? "Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead." Any conspiracy theory that necessarily posits thousands of people all keeping the secret is pretty much fucked from the getgo.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:27 AM
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Do I have evidence? Yes? The thousands of eyewitnesses all over the earth who saw it with their own eyes and have recorded their testimony. And the thousands of pilots who have seen these advanced extraterrestrial craft flying with their own eyes since human beings first took flight.

years of disbelief disappear the moment you see it with your own eyes.

“Yes, there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And there is some group of people that may or may not be associated with government at this point that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. People in high level government have very little, if any, valid information about this. It has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and create confusion so the truth doesn’t come out.”
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Do I have evidence? Yes? The thousands of eyewitnesses all over the earth who saw it with their own eyes and have recorded their testimony. And the thousands of pilots who have seen these advanced extraterrestrial craft flying with their own eyes since human beings first took flight.

years of disbelief disappear the moment you see it with your own eyes.

“Yes, there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And there is some group of people that may or may not be associated with government at this point that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. People in high level government have very little, if any, valid information about this. It has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and create confusion so the truth doesn’t come out.”
Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut
Why? What do they gain by keeping the "truth" secret, that is in any way comparable to what they'd gain from revealing it?
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Why? What do they gain by keeping the "truth" secret, that is in any way comparable to what they'd gain from revealing it?
The people who sell weapons can profit from the endless weapons sales and the military-industrial-financial complex. The car makers who sell cars which run on petroleum can also profit.

There’s a reason why the US took out Saddam when he tried to sell oil in Euros.

Basically all the big corporations which control the system can continue to make money while the little people starve.
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The people who sell weapons can profit from the endless weapons sales and the military-industrial-financial complex. The car makers who sell cars which run on petroleum can also profit.

There’s a reason why the US took out Saddam when he tried to sell oil in Euros.

Basically all the big corporations which control the system can continue to make money while the little people starve.
And why could they not do that, if they were the ones in control of this magical new technologies?
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Nowadays almost every adult on Earth has a high quality camera in their pocket at all hours, and yet there's no more photographic evidence of aliens, UFOs, or other extraterrestrial visitors than there was 20 or 50 years ago.
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Nowadays almost every adult on Earth has a high quality camera in their pocket at all hours, and yet there's no more photographic evidence of aliens, UFOs, or other extraterrestrial visitors than there was 20 or 50 years ago.
Yep. I like a good conspiracy theory story, but this "UFOs are real" one is too silly to take seriously even as a hypothetical.
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there is plenty of video of craft flying through the air which defy the laws of physics online video. I suggest you try YouTube.

I like the videos taken with the old style camcorders before were had smartphone video, but smartphone/digital video is a lot better quality.
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there is plenty of video of craft flying through the air which defy the laws of physics online video. I suggest you try YouTube.

I like the videos taken with the old style camcorders before were had smartphone video, but smartphone/digital video is a lot better quality.
So you're saying that there's a massive conspiracy, reaching across decades, through the highest levels of governmental, military, industrial and financial power, where thousands of people would have to collectively hide the greatest secret in human history and conceal society-shaking technologies...which would, by the way, generate untold profits for the first companies to release them...and yet they allow the evidence to sit, publicly available, on YouTube?
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So you're saying that there's a massive conspiracy, reaching across decades, through the highest levels of governmental, military, industrial and financial power, where thousands of people would have to collectively hide the greatest secret in human history and conceal society-shaking technologies...which would, by the way, generate untold profits for the first companies to release them...and yet they allow the evidence to sit, publicly available, on YouTube?
You know, if the ETs took some dick pix they'd be all over the web in an instant.
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You know, if the ETs took some dick pix they'd be all over the web in an instant.
Kittens are alien dongs!
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I don't think he's mentioned Bigfoot yet.
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there is plenty of video of craft flying through the air which defy the laws of physics online video. I suggest you try YouTube.
Thanks, but if I want to see a hubcap thrown into the air, I can do it myself.
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You mean like this?
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there is plenty of video of craft flying through the air which defy the laws of physics online video. I suggest you try YouTube.

I like the videos taken with the old style camcorders before were had smartphone video, but smartphone/digital video is a lot better quality.
Try YouTube?

Hahahahahahahaha....

It's time for a reality check.

The home for basket cases who only get to air their views because video technology has got so simple to use. YouTube is a media landfill; it accepts all the garbage that is dumped onto it.

YouTube as a news organization? Sure. No reviewing, no checking of facts.

Color me skeptical.

It has been said before, but I'll say it again: if aliens really have landed and given us advanced technology, then WTF is it? Any who could market that stuff would be rich on an unimaginable scale. So who is hiding it and why? The US military? They would gladly give their balls to have unlimited free energy.
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There’s almost a mountain of evidence because there are so many pictures/videos even going back years.
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Have we been visited by extraterrestrials and the government/military-industrial complex is hiding this knowledge because they don’t want free energy technology/the cure for cancer getting out to the public.
If they were being hidden, it is either because said aliens want to be hidden, or because knowing about them would cause panic.

they'd sell free energy and medical technology to the private sector, not hide it.
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Old 02-08-2019, 11:44 AM
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And if someone in government had found out about aliens, who do you think it would be? Presumably it's be the folks in NASA, the agency which pretty much spends all of its time doing spacey stuff. But the kind of person who goes to work for NASA as a career is exactly the kind of person who would not keep quiet about aliens. They're the kind of person who would absolutely love nothing more than to be able to say "Yes, they're out there, and we've found them", because that would be totally cool. NASA doesn't keep any secrets. All data from all NASA missions is released in its entirety to the public at most one year after it's collected.
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Nikola Tesla had the key to free energy in his hands in 1943.

His apartment in the Hotel New Yorker was stormed by the FBI and his documents were seized by the FBI under J Edgar Hoover.

The FBI kept these documents hidden for seventy years, they contain the key to free energy.

I think of the years between 1943 and 2013 as lost years. We could have had free energy back then, by the oil men couldn’t have it.
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