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Or Bionic Sniper? "Complete a Bionic Wonderland map 45 levels higher than your zone number.".
I did it at 125. Not too hard, just takes a long time.
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I tried (and failed) Nerfed, using this perk optimizer to measure out 100M helium so I didn't have to count by hand. I think my mistake was focusing attack over health by 50 to 1. This lead to not being able to run high enough Bionic Wonderland to get the needed prestiges. So next time I'll try with more health.
I've been trying for a week now. Failed once, restarted yesterday. The recommendation is to run Toxic2 until right before you start the Spire. It lets you accumulate metal much faster - but I'm not quite sure how much "faster" it is when you're getting creamed by the Toxic effects.

I also used Perky to maximize, and it spat out perks higher than 100M, and had to start over a day later.
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Okay, I beat Nerfed. It wasn't that bad once I chose my perks correctly (I focused attack over health at levels appropriate for the very late game on my first attempt). A single overnight grind got me the prestiges I needed.
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And I just noticed Perky now has a preset for the Nerfed feat. Would have been helpful.
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Okay, I beat Nerfed. It wasn't that bad once I chose my perks correctly (I focused attack over health at levels appropriate for the very late game on my first attempt). A single overnight grind got me the prestiges I needed.
Care to share what you ran with? I'm scared to come out of prestige grinding.
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I had gotten all of the prestiges from z405, and one Daggadder and Bootboost from the 415 BW. My perks were what Perky recommended given a 7:1 attack:health ratio. I used the list of Spire enemy strengths on the wiki to give me confidence that I could beat it. I believe I had about 30 Dv health, and over 1 Uv damage without crits.
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Huh. I've been grinding for a week, and I'm not close to that damage. What is your Challenge2 bonus?
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Challenge2 is 2120%, achievements are 3963%, these are my heirlooms.
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I think I had 41 unused cordinations with all gigastations bought.
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I did Bionic Sniper at 125. It took much longer than I'd calculated, almost 12 days! But then once I got through I went out Christmas shopping, and the #%&$ trimps ran the spire without me. They actually earned "Invincible" as well; all the way through with no deaths, and I missed it!!!
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Challenge2 is 2120%, achievements are 3963%, these are my heirlooms.
Hmmm - seems I overcompensated a bit. I just let it go through the Spire after I asked, because if my perks were wrong, it wasn't going to work anyway. Turns out I overkilled Droup.
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And there goes Spire IV. If I hadn't had to be out and about at an inopportune time, I would have gotten the 72 hour time too.
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Damn! Well done - I haven't sniffed z490 yet. Do you run AutoTrimps, or do you do it manually? What's your Perky default? I have a lot of questions.

I'm now working on getting my Challenge2 up to snuff. I got Trimps up to z180, and am now running Coordinated. My previous high was z168, and I'd like to get it up as reasonably high as I can go - since there aren't any Fast monsters to deal with. What'd you get those two and Obliterated up to?
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It's all manual for me. I had just above 1 Qi helium for this run. I use the Perky default for z450+ (500:50:1) when grinding helium, and set the helium weight to 0 (so 0:50:1) when going for a deep run or similar.

I haven't touched Challenge2 stuff other than Obliterated for a while, so I could probably get them higher, but they are:
Trimp: z170
Coordinate: z171
Obliterated: z40
Trapper: z310
Others: z450
Total of 2120%
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It seems pretty clear that "Resourceful" doesn't lower the cost of housing from the Dimensional Generator. Does anybody know whether Carpentry increases the number of Trimps DG will give per tick? My sense is that it follows a different set of rules than other housing, and only Coordinated and Magmite increases will make it more efficient. Is that correct?
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Carpentry increases the population of all housing including the DG.
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Well, I've finally reached the Spire for the first time. Just reached it, that is. I have no illusions that I'm ready to beat it yet, but at least that's another landmark.

I have 160% on my Challenge^2, about 125M helium all-time, and on my current run, about 4 days in, I've got about 52 vigintillion health with my breed time at 30 seconds and 105 octodecillion attack after running maps for the level.

What do I do next?

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Congrats on reaching 200! That's a big one. You don't currently stand a chance IN the Spire, but getting there is great. How far are you able to go past 200? Here's how I'd prioritize things:

1. Helium, by doing Dailies. Run one a day (yes, I know you're doing multi-day runs), and see if that starts increasing your He/run.
2. Challenge2 runs. Gotta get that percentage up - that's really low. It's going to be a big part of pushing through the Spire.
3. Maybe look at pushing for the next RoboTrimp. Every 15% helps.

I think you're going to find that you'll start being able to run through the first 150 levels or so really easily, and that portaling sooner than before is a big benefit.
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I concur with everything Munch said. Lotsa portalling to get He. Don't spend too much time on a run; it's usually more efficient to perk up and portal when things start to slow.

When you're able to clear the 1st row (without wasting a ridiculous amount of time), go for it. The Toughness II perk will help a lot. Ditto for Power II after clearing the 3rd row. Maybe best not to go for the entire Spire until you can get Coordination 178(+20), which as you might imagine takes a lot of Carpentry and Coordinated perk.

The spire is a lot more beatable now that you can grab a level 201 map at zone 200 [edit: I see now this ability is unlocked at zone 210], and farm maps with Large Metal Chests. Used to be you'd need >400M He, >30Spd Metal, and prestiges earned from Bionic Wonderland level 215. Still probably best not to waste too much time on the spire just yet.
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I recommend leap-frogging up by the Bionic Wonderland maps. When you can get through the 215, you'll pound the spire.
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Old 01-19-2018, 05:43 AM
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I concur with everything Munch said. Lotsa portalling to get He. Don't spend too much time on a run; it's usually more efficient to perk up and portal when things start to slow.
Generally, I can make it in the mid-180s with a daily before I have to finish it. Would you recommend just portaling at that point rather than trying to squeeze more helium out of 180-200?

Also, what level should I be aiming at for my challenge^2? I've done about half the available ones and I've managed to get most of them up to 140-150 before it becomes impossibly slow (notwithstanding Trimp and Coordinate, which I've only made it up to the 30s in).
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So I'm much earlier in the game; Level 63 or so after a half-dozen portals.

How are people getting the "Humane Run" achieves? According to the achieve color code I should easily be able to get the "Get to Level 5 losing no more than one battle per zone" one, but I'm nowhere close. I usually lose my first couple battle before I even get the ability to build equipment or mine, so I'm sort of at a loss how to even get to the point where I could throw equipment levels at it.

I assume there's a trick I'm not seeing?

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The Humane Run achievements were added to the game fairly recently (in version 4.5 I think), and it's possible the main motivation for making the first one a 0.3% achievement was to make the total sum of all achievements be an integer instead of 3672.7%, or whatever it was.

I have no real strategy tips, as the achievement was trivial for me when it was introduced, but one thing you can do is take a look at Perky and see what it recommends for you. If it suggests a radically different perk setup, there may be significant optimisations you could do. But the achievement may also just be harder than one would expect it to be.
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Generally, I can make it in the mid-180s with a daily before I have to finish it. Would you recommend just portaling at that point rather than trying to squeeze more helium out of 180-200?

Also, what level should I be aiming at for my challenge^2? I've done about half the available ones and I've managed to get most of them up to 140-150 before it becomes impossibly slow (notwithstanding Trimp and Coordinate, which I've only made it up to the 30s in).
I usually run a Daily Challenge until I worry about void maps becoming too difficult. Then I run the voids and run a few more zones with the Daily still active. After completing the daily, any Helium earned isn't being multiplied. Maybe run a few zones for Dark Essence if it will get you a new Mastery.

At your level, the repeatable Helium challenges may be more lucrative and easier than many of the Dailies. Lead is easy since it boosts your attack and resources. Corrupted is great too when you get to the point where Zone 190 takes no time. [ETA: Remember to run all void maps before finishing the Helium challenge!]

Every time you buy a new level of Coordinated perk, you'll see a huge improvement in your He/hr. I used Zxv 3 to optimize my perks prior to completing the Spire.

If you're like me, your progress will come to a screeching halt when you try to get past Zone 230. That's probably a good time to start looking at completing the entire Spire.

(Unrelated note: when you finish the Spire, go ahead and buy a few levels of Looting II but mostly keep focusing on Coordinated. IMHO, from zone 125 to zone 400 the biggest thing slowing down the game is falling behind on army size. It took me forever to beat the Spire and get past zone 231, but then I started buying all the Coordinated I could and used Zxv 3 to distribute the rest of my helium, and 3 months later I've beaten Spire III at zone 400.)

Maybe someone else can chime in on the appropriate levels of Challenge^2. I think most of mine were 20-33% when I did the Spire.

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So I'm much earlier in the game; Level 63 or so after a half-dozen portals.

How are people getting the "Humane Run" achieves? According to the achieve color code I should easily be able to get the "Get to Level 5 losing no more than one battle per zone" one, but I'm nowhere close. I usually lose my first couple battle before I even get the ability to build equipment or mine, so I'm sort of at a loss how to even get to the point where I could throw equipment levels at it.

I assume there's a trick I'm not seeing?
Have you done the Scientist challenges? Scientist II unlocks T2 equipment upon portal.
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Have you done the Scientist challenges? Scientist II unlocks T2 equipment upon portal.
Yes, but you can't actually buy any of it, because it take gems. Those don't become available for several zones.
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Yes, but you can't actually buy any of it, because it take gems. Those don't become available for several zones.
Unless you buy the bone upgrade that lets gems drop in the world. You should be able to start upgrading right away with that one.
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Yes, Feyimps will get you the gems you need for the first few prestiges. But probably best not to spend too much time on an achievement with little benefit that will come effortlessly later on.

Ironically, I had the opposite problem when I was trying to do the achievement beating Crushed while always having block higher than health after zone 5. Until your first army dies, your block is 0. By the time I attempted the achievement, my perks were too high to die in zone 5.
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I finally got the Obliterate achievement. Good grief. It took almost all day with an autoclicker, good thing I was at work for most of it.
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I just got the Very Sneaky award. It's a tricky one that requires a lot of manual switching, hot keys and such. Now all I have left is the z500 achievement, the last 2 humane runs, the 4th Spire III achievement, and all the Spire IVs.
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I've just now gotten to where I can get past lvl 155. I can now go from H formation to D on the World maps, but I still feel like I'm spinning my wheels. Would any of you success stories mind posting a screenshot of your perks so I can see where I'm wasting resources? Non-hackers, plz.
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Would any of you success stories mind posting a screenshot of your perks so I can see where I'm wasting resources? Non-hackers, plz.
Use Perky - it should help out a lot.
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Just finished my first run of Corrupted. It took a few days and it was a bit of a marathon towards the end because of how much corruption was on the map at that point, but it landed me nearly 12 million helium as opposed to the 2-3 million daily challenges have been getting me. A few more of those and I should be able to start making some forays into the Spire.

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Oh, how I've come to loathe that moment when you use the max button to buy as many nurseries as you can afford, forget to switch back to 1, then accidentally max out your geneticists sending your breed time into thousands of years, and you have to race to close the window before it autosaves and you have to fire all the geneticists wasting your resources in the process.

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Thanks! Running a lot smoother now!
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Oh, how I've come to loathe that moment when you use the max button to buy as many nurseries as you can afford, forget to switch back to 1, then accidentally max out your geneticists sending your breed time into thousands of years, and you have to race to close the window before it autosaves and you have to fire all the geneticists wasting your resources in the process.
I usually keep Nursery/Geneticist ratio enough to make breed time 3 seconds, unless the enemy imp is really fast and tough.
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I usually keep Nursery/Geneticist ratio enough to make breed time 3 seconds, unless the enemy imp is really fast and tough.
I've always kept mine at 30 seconds to get the maximum attack bonus from Anticipation. The guides I've been reading for Spire say to crank it up to 10 minutes or so when I'm ready to try for the endzone.
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I've always kept mine at 30 seconds to get the maximum attack bonus from Anticipation. The guides I've been reading for Spire say to crank it up to 10 minutes or so when I'm ready to try for the endzone.
Yup. It seems like a pain in the ass, but it really helps. You'll want to turn it off once it becomes clear you're hitting a wall (just to keep you from waiting), but it's a good adjustment to make.
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4.7 is out. Mostly stuff for the mid and late game, though the new achievement type is for everyone.
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I accidentally had MAX on when hiring Geneticists and left the machine. When I came back, I got an achievement for taking 10 minutes to breed and+20% damage.
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Can somebody tell me please please the most recent guide to perk allocation? i've been playing this game almost a year only have 2M He but still can't crack frugal despite pushing 43 power and 43 Toughness. What makes it worse is that after every portal it's harder to attain my previous level ( currently 125) than the first time. I'm obviously doing something terribly wrong but all guides seem so outdated and don't take into account the current game rewards.
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Can somebody tell me please please the most recent guide to perk allocation? i've been playing this game almost a year only have 2M He but still can't crack frugal despite pushing 43 power and 43 Toughness. What makes it worse is that after every portal it's harder to attain my previous level ( currently 125) than the first time. I'm obviously doing something terribly wrong but all guides seem so outdated and don't take into account the current game rewards.
I used to use zxv. That website is now gone.

Now I've converted to Perky at https://grimy.github.io/perks.html. Paste your exported Save string into "Import Save" and pick a Preset.

Unfortunately, there's no preset specifically for the Frugal challenge. Here's the recommended strategy from Wikia:
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Get at least up to 19 in Resilience. Sacrifice Carpentry and other perks if you have to. Also get at least 33 in Toughness. Then give it a try after you get the Coordination from Zone 21.
Don't worry too much about reaching 125 on your first run with optimized perks. Perky may set you up to earn a ton of Helium without reaching 125, which will get you to 125 real quick on subsequent runs.
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Trimps keeps drawing me back in from only playing occasionally... my HZE is 316 and I was at about the point of thinking maybe I should try Spire II sometime when this hits. I just made it though.

I'm a manual player and have not been using perk calculators - you can do decently well at it if you keep some ratios in mind and go from there. Out of curiosity I plugged my current run's set of perks into Perky and adjusted the weights a bit and reduced the helium to what I had at the start of the run, it seems my manual style maps pretty well to what perky would have given me if I had used a 40:6:4 weight scheme, with a few minor variations. I apparently value Resourceful and Overkill a bit more than Perky and undervalue Motivation. Oh, and Perky thinks extra levels of Trumps and Packrat are worthwhile for some unknown reason, though that expenditure is pretty minor.

I do think that site will be useful when doing Nerfed and other weird challenges...
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I've come to the conclusion that Spire IV is impossible to beat in a human lifetime without hacking the game. Has anybody done it?
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I've come to the conclusion that Spire IV is impossible to beat in a human lifetime without hacking the game. Has anybody done it?
I'm not there yet. The first spire was tough without the new map options. I flew right through Spire II and Spire III as soon as I was able to reach zones 300 and 400. But I imagine Spire IV must be very difficult with no help from Nature. At least Fluffy will help with eliminating the special Corruption abilities.
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I have beaten Spire IV, and without Fluffy the first time. You probably need to get stronger in general (I had about 1 Qi helium), but there is also a bit of a trick to it. If you do it wrong, you can certainly end up with timescales around a human lifetime.

I'll put it in a spoiler box for any who enjoy figuring these things out (as I do):

SPOILER:
No help from Nature? Nature helps those who help themselves. Do your prestige grinding in zone 495, when you still have poison, and it'll take days instead of decades.
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My quest to finish Spire continues on! I've recently realized something which, in retrospect, I should have figured out a year or so ago - that by setting my PC to not go into sleep mode and farming the highest-level map I can afford while I'm working/sleeping, I can get through the endgame grind a lot more efficiently.

I'm at about 300M helium overall and I'm pulling about 15-17M per run now running Corrupted. I can get from the start of a run to Spire in less than a day (really only 4-5 hours if I don't have to sleep). Right now I'm just barely making it past zone 60 of Spire, though, and I feel like in a few more runs of pumping up Toughness II and Power II, plus some Motivation II to make the grinding go quicker, I'll be able to unlock Carpentry II and get enough Coordinations to power through (right now I've still got 42 inaccessible coordinations when I reach Spire.) I've managed to beat the 215 Bionic Wonderland, and on my current run I'm pushing to beat 220 so I can get that next achievement bonus.

Anything else I should be doing at this stage? Some of the guides I'm reading say my block should be strong enough to absorb most of the damage I'm taking, but that just hasn't happened for me. I can afford about 700 gyms by the time I reach Spire and the block I get out of that is less than a thousandth of the enemy damage. Should I be investing more in lumberjacks than the 70B I do right now?
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As I recall, I was generally unable to keep block high in the area after the gymystics stopped coming (150, think). I'm pretty sure it's completely impractical to get enough block to matter in the Spire.

The most important thing for eventually beating the Spire is getting equipment prestiges from higher leveled maps. I'm not sure if you have access to higher zones via map creation yet, or if you have to go straight to BW215.
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